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05-12-2013, 07:14 PM
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Couturier and Saad are already playing big roles in the NHL and Scheifele had a better PPG ratio than Strome.
Upside is great, if Strome doesn't get hurt before he proves something....I'll go with Saad & Couturier now.

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05-12-2013, 07:27 PM
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This draft in retrospect is looking very good and deep. Lots of top talent taken in the first round, plus a lot of guys that were taken later that look very good.

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05-12-2013, 08:03 PM
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3 pages and nobody mentioned Nikita Kucherov and Ondrej Palat yet?
Both would go in the first round now. Kucherov has all the talent to become a superstar, but a one dimensional one and Palat will be an amazing shutdown forward with great a playmaking ability.

And I think Namestnikov still belongs in the first round (as response to the 30 picks list).

I know I am a Tampa fan and all three are Tampa picks, but after all, they played better than some of the other guys. As examples Jensen, Pageau, Harrington, Shaw (his AHL numbers aren't impressive, but his NHL numbers are quit good on one of the top4 teams), Noesen
Palat probably goes in the later part of the second round in a redraft. Namestnikov is a 1st round second round tweener. Could go either way. Kucherov jumps up to the top 25.

I cant rank Palat higher becuase he was an overager. He's already 22, three years older than some people in the draft.

But a strong draft for tampa either way.

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05-12-2013, 08:06 PM
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Saad and Shaw get no respect. Lol. Hawks unfortunately will just have to settle on taking these guys.

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05-12-2013, 08:09 PM
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I don't think this one has been done yet. What sparked my interest was Mark Schiefele's great performance vs London. He had been viewed as the weak link of the top 10, now he looks really legit. The whole top 10 looks great now. I don't see a single bust there, which is unusual. I want to see other people's lists before I attempt one, as I haven't personally watched a lot of the players. The whole 1st round looks strong. 2nd round looks great. 3rd and even 4th have some good players also.
Still way to early to tell, as alot of guys either haven't made the NHL and/or are still getting better.

Basically any list today of say the top 10,20,30 will have probably at least a 25% change in 5-6 years time when we actually see how it all shakes out.

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05-12-2013, 08:14 PM
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1. Landeskog
2. Huberdeau
3. Nugent Hopkins
4. Zibanejad
5. Brodin
6. Baertschi
7. Saad
8. Larsson
9. Hamilton
10. Couturier

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05-13-2013, 06:54 AM
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Where would you guys rank Pageau, from an unbiased position? (I am a Sens fan, and do not want that to cloud my judgement)

He has played a good first year pro, and looked very good in his brief (14 games) NHL stint.

Very good for a fourth round pick who was un-ranked most of the year leading to his draft.

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05-13-2013, 07:10 AM
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Why do some overrate Hamilton? Yes, he has lots of potential, but doesn't look so great right now. Didn't they dress Bartkowski ahead of him? Yes, d-men take longer to develop, but Cowen played regularly at the same age in the playoffs. He could be a #1 d-man (ceiling), but his floor is a Franson, or even a Wiercioch. Brodin has to be way ahead of Dougie (I think the B's blew it here). He is skinny and weak, what if his body isn't capable of adding lots of muscle? Mika Z should be higher, as he is playing better now, and is seen as the most raw of the picks (meaning very high undeveloped upside). I think Dougie becomes a solid #2.

Also having guys that haven't made the NHL yet above these 3 is crazy. Who knows how great Zibby, Hamilton, or Brodin would be in the OHL this year?

Lucky for Leaf trade watchers the B's didn't end up with Hall and Brodin, then they would lose Kessel trade for sure.

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05-13-2013, 07:21 AM
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It would appear after reading this thread that Ryan Strome was a reach by the isles at number5.
He had I think a very good season and got better on d.any thoughts out there? If I remember back the year before I think Nino was thought to be a reach also picked at 5. Does the masses believe
Strome is at a level below those picked around him? Could we have traded down to get him like josh Bailey in 08.

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05-13-2013, 07:42 AM
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It would appear after reading this thread that Ryan Strome was a reach by the isles at number5.
He had I think a very good season and got better on d.any thoughts out there? If I remember back the year before I think Nino was thought to be a reach also picked at 5. Does the masses believe
Strome is at a level below those picked around him? Could we have traded down to get him like josh Bailey in 08.
I wouldn't say he was a reach, or that he is a disappointing prospect at all, just that he has proven much less at the NHL level than many other players from this draft, which a lot of people (including me) value more highly in ranking prospects than the very abstract concept of "potential".

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05-13-2013, 09:35 AM
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Palat probably goes in the later part of the second round in a redraft. Namestnikov is a 1st round second round tweener. Could go either way. Kucherov jumps up to the top 25.

I cant rank Palat higher becuase he was an overager. He's already 22, three years older than some people in the draft.

But a strong draft for tampa either way.
Would be interesting to hear your reasoning for Palat in the later part of the 2nd round. I would see him as a 1/2 round tweener jsut like Namestnikov. After all he was a leading scorer in the AHL (would be top ten without his NHL stint), while being more of a shutdown player than an offensive superstar. So he is a great two-way player in the A and will be at least a 3rd line shutdown guy in the NHL, while making quit some points (could see him around 30 maybe more). And that's him now, nobody can say if his development will go even further. He was already up for a 24p season, while playing 11min a night.

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05-13-2013, 09:52 AM
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I wouldn't say he was a reach, or that he is a disappointing prospect at all, just that he has proven much less at the NHL level than many other players from this draft, which a lot of people (including me) value more highly in ranking prospects than the very abstract concept of "potential".
Potential isn't abstract at all. Scouts aren't philosophers or mathematicians. They make projections based on what they see. Projections are real-world testable, nothing in the least abstract about them. When someone sees Baertschi's 20 games in the league, they're also making projections. Heck, when I've seen Couturier's 100+ games in the league, I can make projections.

My opinion is that Strome is going to be an elite power play performer almost immediately. He plays the left high-boards brilliantly, which if you've watched the Islanders, is something they've completely lacked. Based on that alone, I think he'll offensively outperform next year a lot of these guys mentioned ahead of him, because he'll be expected to fill exactly that role where he's most likely to succeed.

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05-13-2013, 09:57 AM
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It would appear after reading this thread that Ryan Strome was a reach by the isles at number5.
He had I think a very good season and got better on d.any thoughts out there? If I remember back the year before I think Nino was thought to be a reach also picked at 5. Does the masses believe
Strome is at a level below those picked around him? Could we have traded down to get him like josh Bailey in 08.
I remember reading, possibly from a NYI poster (bluechipbonzo?) who is an Ottawa resident who hangs out at their arena all the time, that the Senators would have taken Strome with the next pick. Can an Ottawa fan confirm this?

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I remember reading, possibly from a NYI poster (bluechipbonzo?) who is an Ottawa resident who hangs out at their arena all the time, that the Senators would have taken Strome with the next pick. Can an Ottawa fan confirm this?
Sens wanted Strome at 6

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05-13-2013, 10:31 AM
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I think a lot of you will be surprised at how good Mika Zibanejad is. Nothing wrong with having Brodin or Larsson over him, but still.

JoeyMoss had him at 10th (sorry can't quote)? That's a real good indicator that you haven't watched him. There's no reason Ryan Strome should be ahead of him.

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05-13-2013, 10:11 PM
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Would be interesting to hear your reasoning for Palat in the later part of the 2nd round. I would see him as a 1/2 round tweener jsut like Namestnikov. After all he was a leading scorer in the AHL (would be top ten without his NHL stint), while being more of a shutdown player than an offensive superstar. So he is a great two-way player in the A and will be at least a 3rd line shutdown guy in the NHL, while making quit some points (could see him around 30 maybe more). And that's him now, nobody can say if his development will go even further. He was already up for a 24p season, while playing 11min a night.
Palat is already 22. He was drafted as an overager. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but he has less room to develop compared to other prospects. 4 points in 14 games is good for a 20 year old, but he is already a few years above most other draftees. 2011 is a deep draft, and I could list off several prospects who aren't in the NHL yet like Palat, but are only 19 or 20 and have more upside in my opinion.

I'm not taking anything away from him, as Palat is a good player. However right now, there are a few players that I think will be better than him in the long run. So yes, in a redraft I will rank him around 45-60. I dont see any other upside then maybe a 3rd line forward. Doesn't have the skill to be a top 6 player, and is a decent possibility to be a third line forward.

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05-13-2013, 10:48 PM
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Theres no reason why Huberdeau or Landeskog should be ahead of RNH.

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Hey guys, where would you rank Rickard Rakell as of right now? He went #30. Would he be lower or higher today?
He would still be top-30, IMO, and I'm surprised he didn't go slightly higher in that draft. Definitely in the late 20s, but still a top-30 pick (would supplant a guy like Danault, for example)

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Where would you guys rank Pageau, from an unbiased position? (I am a Sens fan, and do not want that to cloud my judgement)
Way too small a sample size to say. Yes, he's been a great surprise for OTT and you should have (tempered) excitement about him, but it's far too early and small a sample to draw significant conclusions. It's not exactly like he was totally dominating the AHL either, so you can't totally use that as inference.

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05-14-2013, 03:19 AM
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Why do some overrate Hamilton? Yes, he has lots of potential, but doesn't look so great right now. Didn't they dress Bartkowski ahead of him? Yes, d-men take longer to develop, but Cowen played regularly at the same age in the playoffs. .
Check your math again. When Cowen was Hamilton's age (2010-11) he didn't play a game for the Sens. The only NHL game Cowen played as a junior-aged player was one game on emergency call-up in 2009-10.

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Yeah no.

Hopkins had a tough year this year playing on a shoulder that needed operation. Definitely no reason for alarm and certainly no reason to put JG flippin' Pageau ahead of him.

He's still the most promising and talented player from the 2011 draft and the one who has had the most impact on the league to this point, like it or not.
Didn't Pageau just win senators a series? That's way more than giving Oilers an annual chance to win the lottery...

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Didn't Pageau just win senators a series? That's way more than giving Oilers an annual chance to win the lottery...
Come on, he turned a win into a blowout. Anderson won them the series, not Pageau

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Come on, he turned a win into a blowout. Anderson won them the series, not Pageau
Pageau was solid, but sure. He didn't win them the series but he was a big part of it. RNH's biggest achievement is losing the Calder to injury and making his team a perennial lottery contender.

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I don't think any team takes Brodin over Dougie.

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Pageau was solid, but sure. He didn't win them the series but he was a big part of it. RNH's biggest achievement is losing the Calder to injury and making his team a perennial lottery contender.
This is a crazy statement. RNH will be twice the player Pageau is. RNH scored 52 points in 62 games last year, and has the upside to be a PPG player in the NHL. Pageau is at best a 2nd/3rd line tweener.

Dont be crazy. RNH is clearly the better player now and in the future.

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Pageau was solid, but sure. He didn't win them the series but he was a big part of it. RNH's biggest achievement is losing the Calder to injury and making his team a perennial lottery contender.
RNH was the best player on this years WJC team, put up .85ppg in the NHL last year, improved defensively this year, and plays against teams top defense and top centers. He didnt improve offensively this year but he was also playing hurt the majority/whole season. Your delusional if you think any GM would take Pageau over RNH at this point in time.

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