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Who will land N. Backstrom/M. Smith/R. Luongo/J. Bernier THIS SUMMER?

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05-13-2013, 08:53 AM
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Kovy's contract is worse that Lu's, good luck with a 37 year old sniper scoring 50 points a year at best, while having that beauty 6.6 mil cap hit... oh btw that lasts til he's 42 bahahahah
It's possible. Or he could age like Selanne and still be a really effective player into his late 30's/early 40's. Either way I'll take the first half of that contract at a bargain cap hit and worry about the second half when it happens.

Besides, the idea of trading Kovalchuk for Luongo + Edler is completely asinine regardless of how bad either contract is.

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05-13-2013, 09:25 AM
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To NJ: Luongo + Edler + 2nd
To VAN: Kovalchuk + Zidlicky
How about you take Zid and Van fans stop acting like the devils would ever trade kovy. He is our only real offensive weapon at the moment. Lu is negative value, unless you guys ate at least half his cap hit or basically threw Kesler or Edler in (not for kovy) I would hope our Lou would never entertain this idea...

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05-13-2013, 09:30 AM
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I'm not really sure the Flames are in the market for a goalie. If they sign Ramo they definitely won't be. They already have 3 under contract (Macdonald, Berra and Brossoit). Ramo would make 4. Two will play in the AHL (Brossoit almost definitely will) and two in the NHL (Macdonald will likely be the backup at least to start).

If Bernier were available at a decent price I could maybe see them doing something, but I don't think it's a priority.

EDIT: And yeah at this point Calgary has no need for a young goalie or prospect. They're already got 2 decent prospects in Gillies and Brossoit - and Ortio is still around.

The only goalies that are really worth anything are those that are 100% proven and no one wants to trade those. If you're not getting a rock-solid starter you're better off rolling the dice and trying to find your own. There's no point giving up assets for someone who isn't 100% proven.


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05-13-2013, 09:41 AM
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No, he'll have value as long as he plays in the NHL, otherwise he wouldn't be here....
If this was the case he would have been traded already . There will be other players being dumped or bought out because of the cap drop . Which teams are going to line up for Luongo ? I like Luongo he shown a lot of class threw all of this . I do think he will get bought out and sign somewhere for 3.5 to 4.5 million taking a little less to play where he wants . Plus he will have the Canucks money as well .

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05-13-2013, 09:41 AM
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Khudobin is UFA. Won't cost you anything in assets, age wise he fits with the goalies slowly graduating over 3 or so years, will be fairly cheap and he wants to be a starter. Worth a look for Calgary because it won't matter if he isn't that good since they are rebuilding, if he turns out excellent that's a free asset.
The problem with this is Calgary doesn't really have any space in their system if they sign Ramo. All 4 of their AHL/NHL slots will be filled - and they'll still have Gillies (who looks like he could be their best long-term prospect) and Ortio out there. Decent goalies/prospects are a dime a dozen these days.

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05-13-2013, 09:42 AM
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Called a "buy-out"

does the entire league not get this?

IF, and that's a big if, he begins to under-perform, dump him, the cap will be so high by then that a 1 mil penalty will be almost irrelevant.

If brodeur can play being this old, so can lu, especially considering he has a style of play that can keep him around, not like Brodeur with the small pads, etc
No they get it. Just no person in their right mind would want to spend money to have a player NOT play for their team.

Luongo is a big risk with that contract. Especially at the price Gillis was asking. If Vancouver fans still can't see that, then I don't know what to say. Gillis played his hand and lost. Give him credit for playing the hand out, but he lost.

Gillis will have to take a bad contract back to move Luongo. Unfortuantely Luongo's play this year didn't help his situation at all.

35 million dollars for 8 years is a very tough pill to swallow, especially when that pill comes will having to give up a valued asset like a top pick or prospect.

Vancouver fans have to forget getting any kind of value back for Luongo. That ended last summer. It's done, Luongo is either gone for very litte or he's going to be stuck on a team that doesnt want him.

Which is a shame, because he deserves much better than what Vancouver has shown him.

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05-13-2013, 12:29 PM
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Called a "buy-out"

does the entire league not get this?

IF, and that's a big if, he begins to under-perform, dump him, the cap will be so high by then that a 1 mil penalty will be almost irrelevant.

If brodeur can play being this old, so can lu, especially considering he has a style of play that can keep him around, not like Brodeur with the small pads, etc
Buy outs aren't just a word. The owners of the team will actually have to pay out contract. At once. That's a lot of money, I don't believe any businessman would want to cut a check the equivalent of multiple seasons of salary just to tell him to take a hike? Especially when its a goalie who in theory, is young and good enough that he could still come back and bit your team in the playoffs or something sometime. Its a better move for the Canucks to give away picks with Lou to get him off the books rather than buy him out.

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05-13-2013, 12:36 PM
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Bernier to Phoenix
Luongo to New Jersey
Backstrom stays in Minnesota and Smith goes to the highest bidder in FA.

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Called a "buy-out"

does the entire league not get this?

IF, and that's a big if, he begins to under-perform, dump him, the cap will be so high by then that a 1 mil penalty will be almost irrelevant.
You do realize tha the hit is based on the cap hit, not the actual salary. Also, what if he begins to underperform in two years? You seem to be making a rather large assumption that he'll be a quality tender for the next five years.

Apparently it's not an assumption any other GM tha tcould use a goalie is making.

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05-13-2013, 01:31 PM
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Lu won't be going to Edm, no way he'll waive to go there... NYI is a possibility, at least it's in the same time zone as his wifey
Lou pretty much said he just wanted to go where he would play. Edmonton shouldn't be going after him anyway.

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05-13-2013, 03:22 PM
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Luongo definitely going to Florida.

Would be interesting to see if Colorado would be willing to part with some players to get the Sedins.

Than Vancouver could get the #1 and #2 picks in the draft and draft MacKinnon and Drouin to replace the Sedins and still have a lot more than what they have now.

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05-13-2013, 03:37 PM
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Luongo definitely going to Florida.

Would be interesting to see if Colorado would be willing to part with some players to get the Sedins.

Than Vancouver could get the #1 and #2 picks in the draft and draft MacKinnon and Drouin to replace the Sedins and still have a lot more than what they have now.
So.... Are you suggesting Luongo for the 2nd overall?

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05-13-2013, 03:50 PM
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Add Halak to the list. Affordable starter to a team who needs one. I'd see New Jersey on the list, if Brodeur retires.

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05-13-2013, 04:04 PM
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I was just thinking Halak might be available too.

Backstrom - MIN
Smith - NYI/PHI
Luongo - NYI/PHX (if ownership is resolved)
Bernier - NYI/PIT
Miller - PHI (If Bryz gets amnesty'd)
Halak - EDM/PHX
Fleury - EDM/PHX


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05-13-2013, 04:13 PM
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Edmonton might push hard for Bernier... I think they want a 1A 1B situation, some one to push Dubnyk.

Edmonton was going after Ben Bishop at the trade deadline..

There were rumours last summer of Luongo going to Edmonton but I think those days are long gone..

Do you guys think that Price and Fleury will become available after his inconsistent playoff play?

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05-13-2013, 04:18 PM
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I don't think Price is moving anywhere.. at least yet.

Fleury.. possibly.

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05-13-2013, 04:22 PM
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Depending on Vokoun's performance/Fleury's if he gets put back in I can see Pittsburgh trying to grab one of the UFAs (Backstrom, Smith) or grabbing one via trade (trading Fleury in the process to negate the assets spent)

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05-13-2013, 04:34 PM
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Buy outs aren't just a word. The owners of the team will actually have to pay out contract. At once. That's a lot of money, I don't believe any businessman would want to cut a check the equivalent of multiple seasons of salary just to tell him to take a hike? Especially when its a goalie who in theory, is young and good enough that he could still come back and bit your team in the playoffs or something sometime. Its a better move for the Canucks to give away picks with Lou to get him off the books rather than buy him out.
Keep Luongo and trade Schneider.
Isn't that the reason they gave Luo that contract in the first place?
Blame management for benching Luo and making him second string.
The man has a track record that's proven more than Cory

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05-13-2013, 06:47 PM
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Devils don't need another D. The biggest need is goals and scoring. Substitute Muzzin for Toffoli. But even still it might not be enough.
Kings couldn't afford to lose Toffoli, but Linden Vey plus a 3rd/2nd could probably be done by LA (wouldn't like losing Vey, but he's our most talented forward whom the kings could afford to deal).

Bernier + Vey + 2nd/3rd

9th overall + Hedberg?

Other question to NJ fans, what's the likelihood of NJ dealing its 9th overall to either Calgary or Columbus for their lower two 1st round picks? Kings would take a mid 1st for Bernier straight up most likely. Kings wouldn't want to ship Beenier to a western confrence team.

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