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05-13-2013, 10:28 AM
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Looking back, the Drury situation was pretty evident giving a guy 5 years who could not control an offense, was on the smaller side and lived and died but giving up his body consistently.
In both Drury and Gomez' case is was more of a case of not fitting, lack of support than decline.

again, for the 2x the issue is evidence of decline prior to the NYR obtaining them...

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05-13-2013, 10:44 AM
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Free agents will always be overpaid. Weiss,Roy and Bozak are going to get paid. Stepan and Brassard aren't big players. The free agent centers aren't big players either. Richards isn't a big guy either. Amnestying Richards for $24M and then giving out another $25M-$30M on a similar player is not progress. Its not like you're getting Jordan Staal who will add size and strength down the middle.

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05-13-2013, 10:50 AM
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Free agents will always be overpaid. Weiss,Roy and Bozak are going to get paid. Stepan and Brassard aren't big players. The free agent centers aren't big players either. Richards isn't a big guy either. Amnestying Richards for $24M and then giving out another $25M-$30M on a similar player is not progress. Its not like you're getting Jordan Staal who will add size and strength down the middle.
Very good point. The Rangers lack size and skill pretty much anywhere in their line-up. Hard to find.

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The sad thing is that there really aren't any players available this off-season. Would have been great to have that money available for Suter last off-season.

They have to be careful with who they go after, they have to be VERY good, elite players. Richards, Gomez, Drury, Redden. Not elite.
The funny thing is everyone said this before we signed Richards, except it was "They have to be careful with who they go after, they have to be VERY good, elite players. Gomez, Drury, Redden. Not elite."
Richards was supposed to be different. Gomez and Drury were 60-70 point guys, Richards is elite, a 90+ point player.

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The funny thing is everyone said this before we signed Richards, except it was "They have to be careful with who they go after, they have to be VERY good, elite players. Gomez, Drury, Redden. Not elite."
Richards was supposed to be different. Gomez and Drury were 60-70 point guys, Richards is elite, a 90+ point player.
I was in favor of signing Richards for ~5 years. 9 was WAY too much. They have to elite in terms of their position. Richards was a good 1c. Not elite.

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05-13-2013, 10:58 AM
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Loved seeing Richards on the bench last night. He's been a liability in the playoffs.

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Yea honestly Richards is the last guy I would have pegged to fail like this, pre-signing.

If he doesn't work, it raises major questions about the strategy overall. Not that it didn't have flaws to begin with, but still.

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It's getting to the point where taking him out of the lineup would probably serve a positive effect.

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I pray Richards is bought out. After the Rangers lose tonight, that'd be my first order of business tomorrow. Start getting the paperwork together LOL.

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I pray Richards is bought out. After the Rangers lose tonight, that'd be my first order of business tomorrow. Start getting the paperwork together LOL.
How soon can he be bought out?

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It's getting to the point where taking him out of the lineup would probably serve a positive effect.
Yes. More young speed/guns are put in. Happened when he was injured against the Sabres.

But...you know what I'm asking now right?

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How soon can he be bought out?
I'm guessing July. But I'm not sure.

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Yes. More young speed/guns are put in. Happened when he was injured against the Sabres.

But...you know what I'm asking now right?
Why did we give him a 9 year contract?

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Why did we give him a 9 year contract?
That too, but how would he feel if we took him outta the lineup? I mean, surely his family would be affected too




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I hope Sather doesn't make the same mistake after he buys him out or such. Drury, Gomez, Redden, Richards.... enough is enough.

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That too, but how would he feel if we took him outta the lineup? I mean, surely his family would be affected too



I live in a wooden house. I would be deathly scared that his mad Beaver family would make a dam out of it.

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Richards has been bad, but he hasnt been bad enough to take out of the lineup. People honestly think we have 12 forwards and 4 centers better than him at our disposal?

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I hope Sather doesn't make the same mistake after he buys him out or such.
It's a hard habit to break. Gambling on the "older" FA's is what he did here... didn;t turn out as desirable as we wanted. However the fact that he declined so fast at what, 32/33 is alarming

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Same here. Damn, so we're damned if we do and damned if we don't

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Same here. Damn, so we're damned if we do and damned if we don't
I think you mean, "dammed?"

Perhaps we should start showing more respeck to Beaver and his family.

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Same here. Damn, so we're damned if we do and damned if we don't
Epic pun

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Wow. Didn't even realize I was doing that.

And yeah we need to show some respeck or our houses are gone

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During the Ordinary Course “Buy-Out” periods following the 2012/13 season and 2013/14 season, in addition to any other Ordinary Course “Buy-Outs” a Club may elect to effectuate pursuant to Paragraph 13 of the SPC, Clubs may elect to terminate and “buy-out” the already existing SPCs of up to two (2) additional Players (in the aggregate over the two (2) years) on a Compliance basis (a “Compliance Buy-Out”). Such Compliance Buy-Out(s) would be effectuated on the same terms as are set forth in Paragraph 13 of the SPC, except that the amounts paid under such “buy-out(s)” will not be charged against the Club’s Cap in any of the years in which the payments are made to the Player. Amounts paid under such Compliance Buy-Out(s) will, however, be counted against the Players’ Share during any League Year in which the “buy-out” payments are made. A Player that has been bought out under these Compliance Buy-Out provisions shall be prohibited from re-joining the Club that bought him out (via re-signing, Assignment, Waiver claim or otherwise) for the duration of the 2013/14 League Year (if the Player was bought out in 2013) and the 2014/15 League Year (if the Player was bought out in 2014).
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Looking back, the Drury situation was pretty evident giving a guy 5 years who could not control an offense, was on the smaller side and lived and died but giving up his body consistently.
We're forgetting that the UFAs the organization signed are/were supposed to put the team over the top and give Sather one more Stanley Cup. And soon, not 5-9 years down the road. Sather isn't getting any younger and each time he makes a splash--whether it's in the free agent market or trading for a player like Nash he's looking to get that "final" piece(s) of the puzzle. I don't think this pattern will change very much as long as Sather is in charge.

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I knew the Richards contract was a bad one. I thought he'd give us 3-4 productive years and then we could deal with the decline, but he had an okay season last year and has just been abysmal this year. No way your highest paid player should be getting 4th line minutes.

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