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09-27-2006, 02:34 PM
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Oilers/Rangers proposal

Simple. To the point.

Al Montoya for Robbie Schremp.

Discuss.

Is it enough? Too much? Does it make sense for either/both teams?

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09-27-2006, 02:42 PM
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Mmmm with Weekes reinjured groin me thinks Als staying put.

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Last week posters were proposing the Zman for Al. Not saying that deal was happening, but makes you think


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If it happens it'd be trend setting and something rarely if never seen before.

Team's simply do not pay high prices for 20 year old goalies.


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If it happens it'd be trend setting and something rarely if never seen before.

Team's simply do not pay high prices for 20 year old goalies.


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Zherdev's value is considerably higher than Schremp's. Zherdev was a top 5 pick, while Schremp was barely taken in the first round. However, I think they have very similar upsides -- both have the talent level to become all-stars.

There's almost no chance Montoya alone lands Zherdev, considering what both have done at the NHL level. Schremp's value is quite lower -- though he's still a hot prospect -- simply because he doesn't have NHL experience on his resume.

The smart idea would be to nab him before he does get it. Of course, this is a high-risk move, but really, Montoya is about as sure a thing as Schremp. And looking at the Rangers' future, a potential #1 center is much higher on the priority list than a #1 goaltender, especially with Chris Holt and Stephen Valiquette playing pretty well in camp.

I also don't think Al's spot is to be a backup on an NHL team -- he needs to get the Lundqvist treatment, where he splits time with a veteran and learns from him.

Again, there is no basis for this proposal -- just something I thought of. And I'd make the move.

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Edmonton would have to add to the package.

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Schremp is a top 5 pick talent that fell because of questions that have for the most part been answered

you all are forgetting the Zherdev deal had a FIRST ROUNDER involved, that is a hell of a lot of value in addition to montoya

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I don't think it works. Edmonton has used fairly high picks on goaltenders in recent years. I don't think they are going to go after Montoya unless their goaltending situation looks very bleak.

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I don't see Edmonton doing this deal: they're very high on Schremp right now, even if they could use a goaltender.

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Zherdev's value is considerably higher than Schremp's. Zherdev was a top 5 pick, while Schremp was barely taken in the first round. However, I think they have very similar upsides -- both have the talent level to become all-stars.

There's almost no chance Montoya alone lands Zherdev, considering what both have done at the NHL level. Schremp's value is quite lower -- though he's still a hot prospect -- simply because he doesn't have NHL experience on his resume.

The smart idea would be to nab him before he does get it. Of course, this is a high-risk move, but really, Montoya is about as sure a thing as Schremp. And looking at the Rangers' future, a potential #1 center is much higher on the priority list than a #1 goaltender, especially with Chris Holt and Stephen Valiquette playing pretty well in camp.

I also don't think Al's spot is to be a backup on an NHL team -- he needs to get the Lundqvist treatment, where he splits time with a veteran and learns from him.

Again, there is no basis for this proposal -- just something I thought of. And I'd make the move.

You don't have to convince me of Montoya's talent, I am big Montoya fan.

But at the end of the day; right, wrong or indifferent, teams historically don't make trades for young/unproven (by NHL standards) goalies. The goalie might be part of a deal, but they aren't going to bring back a comparable talent at a forward or defensive position.

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09-27-2006, 03:31 PM
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Not that it would happen because LA just acquired him, but what about moving him to the Kings for Patrick O'Sullivan?

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This deal makes no sense for both teams.

Montoya has more value that Shremp.

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Or maybe to Florida for Nathan Horton or Michael Frolik+?

Just ideas... the Panthers certainly could use a goaltender.

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Or maybe to Florida for Nathan Horton or Michael Frolik+?

Just ideas... the Panthers certainly could use a goaltender.
id do that, doubt florida would. maybe montoya and rachunek for horton or frolik?? Martin had Rachunek in Ottawa.

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The Panthers will laugh if the Rangers offered them Montoya for Horton.

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The Panthers will laugh if the Rangers offered them Montoya for Horton.

Probably.

I'd be all for a Montoya-for-Frolik swap.

Cuban American playing in Miami.

"Baby Jagr" Frolik playing with Jagr in NY with the Czechs.

Makes sense....

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id do that, doubt florida would. maybe montoya and rachunek for horton or frolik?? Martin had Rachunek in Ottawa.
that's a good point but Auld is no slouch.

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Not that it would happen because LA just acquired him, but what about moving him to the Kings for Patrick O'Sullivan?
They just Drafted Bernier. He'll be there top Goalie prospect.

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I may be in the minority, but i think the Rangers would have to send more then just Montoya to the Oilers to get Schremp in return. He was drafted in the late first round because of "character" issues which have since been almost non-existent. There haven't been any stories out of the Oilers training camp about problems with him and from interviews with other players about him, he seems to be well liked. If they were to redo that draft today he would have gone a hell of a lot earlier then what he went there. As Rangers fans, as with any group of fans, we have a tendoncy to "over-value" our teams prospects. This is a case of it. Montoya is a solid prospect and one of the top goalie prospects in the league, but Schremp is one of the top offensive prospects in the league as well. (I don't usually go by HFboards rankings, but Schremp is ranked 17th and Montoya I think was ranked 26th) It shouldn't take too much more then Montoya IMO, but it def. would take more. Maybe Immonen. I don't know for sure.

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09-27-2006, 05:52 PM
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Montoya is a stud and a A+ prospect. The guy is young Handsome and perfect for the NYC scene he reminds me of a young Ron Dugauy in a money making way. He also has looked fantastic in the pre season and looks like a guy you don't trade just yet,.

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Montoya is a stud and a A+ prospect. The guy is young Handsome and perfect for the NYC scene he reminds me of a young Ron Dugauy in a money making way. He also has looked fantastic in the pre season and looks like a guy you don't trade just yet,.
oh yeah, he'll just wink to make incoming pucks faint. swoon save and a beauty. looks solid so far but A+ is Malkin. Montoya at this point is an A- at best with chances to IMPROVE to A or even A+. He hasn't proven anything at a full NHL or international level yet so I'll withhold any judgement on the KID so far.

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Montoya is a stud and a A+ prospect. The guy is young Handsome and perfect for the NYC scene he reminds me of a young Ron Dugauy in a money making way. He also has looked fantastic in the pre season and looks like a guy you don't trade just yet,.
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