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05-13-2013, 11:05 AM
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The PP does suck. The personnel is picked out of a hat. Torts has a million combinations. In one game,DZ plays the PP and the next game he doesn't. Same thing with Moore. The personnel choices appear to be random. Its hard to throw players together and ask them to be productive when they haven't played together. The PP has no plan. Other teams have set plays off of faceoff wins. Pick a group of players and put them out there.
Does that differ much from ES?

On the offensive side, anyway?

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Does that differ much from ES?

On the offensive side, anyway?
His constant line juggling is detrimental no matter how many guys we have on the ice. A line can be fantastic for 10 games, and as soon as they struggle for one period, we're likely not going to see that combination again for 10 more games.

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You're really going out on a limb here saying the team won't win a cup with Tortorella. Again 1 cup in 73 years for this franchise. Not to mention I bet you have no realistic candidate that can come in here and coach this team to a Stanley Cup.

But thats not what irks me here. This would be a legitimate gripe in the offseason. You rooting for the team to lose on the day of a game 7 is incomprehensible to me. Trying to hide it under the guise that it will lead to a greater good is a bunch of baloney.
Not really. In fact I will guarantee that as long as Torts is coach, they will never win a Stanley Cup. As far as replacements: Babcock will be available in a little while. Tippet could be available this summer. There is a whole host of hungry coaches at lower levels that would probably be pretty good for the interim until those coaches become available.

Plus, as was clarified before. I'm not actively rooting against the team. The statement was made that if Torts wins games 6,7: he will be a coach here for a long time. Well, if thats the trade off I would rather lose.

Yes, firing Torts is for the greater good of the team imo.


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Not really. In fact I will guarantee that as long as Torts is coach, they will never win a Stanley Cup. As far as replacements: Babcock will be available in a little while. Tippet could be available this summer. There is a whole host of hungry coaches at lower levels that would probably be pretty good for the interim until those coaches become available.

Plus, as was clarified before. I'm not actively rooting against the team. The statement was made that if Torts wins games 6,7: he will be a coach here for a long time. Well, if thats the trade off I would rather lose.

Yes, firing Torts is for the greater good of the team imo.
Tippet coming here would be amazing. One of the top 5 coaches IMO.

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If the Rangers are fortunate enough(puck luck)to win tonight,Torts should put Moore and DZ on the points of the PP. Moore is the shooter. DZ handles the puck. Stay out there for the full 2 minutes. 1:20-1:30 minimum. Leetch-Patrick. Leetch-Zubov. Sather should have Messier ask Leetch to put together a PP scheme/personnel. Put it on the cocktail napkin when Mark and Brian are at the bar after the game. Give it to Torts and tell him to use it. Just like Brad Pitt told Philip Seymour Hoffman to use certain players in Moneyball.

Brad Richards excelled with big speedy wingers who can shoot the puck. James Beal and Jamie Benn. Chris Kreider. Big speedy winger who can shoot the puck. Why not put them together?

The Leafs put JVR in the slot/near the net. He has the size and the hands to get to loose pucks. The Rangers should use Kreider the same way. Kreider scored goals in the WJC,at BC and in the AHL around the net.

Game 1 of the Leafs series



The Rangers have no one in front of the net. Nash isn't going to score from the right wing wall.

Last night. JVR goes to the front of the net. Both Bs D go to him. Kessel picks up the loose puck.


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They need a legitimate PP QB. Even at his advanced age, I think Streit would be worth a look.

Del Zotto, Richards, Zuccarello, and Stepan have all been tried and they just dont have it. They dont command anything.
First of all zuccarello belongs on the half wall, and no he's never been put in a spot where e poweplay is really being run by him, heck, he only just started getting consistent poweplay 1st unit minutes for the past few games

Even then He's off before a minute is up, while richie was getting left out there for the full 2

Richards only brings dysfunction to the table...either the players feel they have to defer to him, or they've just been straight up told to always try to get him the puck, either way it needs to be corrected

Any time Richards spends on the pp is a detriment...often he stays out for he whole 2 minutes although time has been getting lowered for him

Also Girardi has the most pp time of any ranger defenseman and that's an undefendable joke...he shoots muffins and doesn't move the puck particularly well

Why is ok that he's out there? His presence on the pp hurts the team

These decisions hurt the team, torts makes them

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I also don't see how we're more likely to fire Tortorella if we lose game 7 versus if we win. I don't think there's a chance he's gone after this year no matter what. We will see about next year.
Agreed. If this had been a "normal" year--no lockout, etc.--then I could see the possibility, but given the way things played out this season I cannot imagine Sather firing Tortorella. However, if the problems the team had this season continue well into next season, then I could see it happening. But not now.

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Torts gets a lot of hate but the man coached a hell of a game tonight. There's plenty of blame for Torts when things go wrong, but he deserves some credit when the team comes out and takes care of business in such a convincing manner in a Game 7.

The transition game was the best I've seen in some time, the Rangers attacked and did not let up even though they led for most of the game, and they played responsibly and disciplined.

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Torts gets a lot of hate but the man coached a hell of a game tonight. There's plenty of blame for Torts when things go wrong, but he deserves some credit when the team comes out and takes care of business in such a convincing manner in a Game 7.

The transition game was the best I've seen in some time, the Rangers attacked and did not let up even though they led for most of the game, and they played responsibly and disciplined.
It was much better. The reason why was the caps were getting dominated along boards in our own end. That means if the Rangers were getting pucks to their wings, they could just move straight ahead into the caps zone.

However, that is going to be tougher against the Bruins who have considerably more size and grit. Still, it wasn't so much that we changed our game plan on our breakouts. The Rangers players were just competing WAY harder.

The biggest thing I saw from Torts in this game was that the Rangers attacked pretty much the whole game. They rarely gave up on a chance to play in the Caps end(even when they had the lead). Thats huge. That is what I was saying before the series began...attack the caps D.

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can torts haters shut up now!! jeez it never ends, talk about positives.. he coached a hell of a series and the team responded amazingly.. props to the team bc at the end of the day its a TEAM and coaching staff..

torts coaching system is mint.. its a transition game and hard on the forecheck.. we just executed to a t tonight and played a flawless game..

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Torts gets a lot of hate but the man coached a hell of a game tonight. There's plenty of blame for Torts when things go wrong, but he deserves some credit when the team comes out and takes care of business in such a convincing manner in a Game 7.

The transition game was the best I've seen in some time, the Rangers attacked and did not let up even though they led for most of the game, and they played responsibly and disciplined.
I eat some crow right now. Admittadly. Not changing my overall view but the black feather stew is mmmmm tasty at the moment.

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can torts haters shut up now!! jeez it never ends, talk about positives.. he coached a hell of a series and the team responded amazingly.. props to the team bc at the end of the day its a TEAM and coaching staff..
No, this is the first game the whole series where I felt the Rangers were actually having a proper game plan against the Caps.

Its going to take more than one game to start thinking otherwise. However, Bruins are a much better matchup for Torts system.

Julian and Torts are both like Napoleonic generals. They aren't creative and you know exactly what your going to get. The troops line up and pound one another.

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No, this is the first game the whole series where I felt the Rangers were actually having a proper game plan against the Caps.

Its going to take more than one game to start thinking otherwise. However, Bruins are a much better matchup for Torts system.

Julian and Torts are both like Napoleonic generals. They aren't creative and you know exactly what your going to get. The troops line up and pound one another.
Truer words never spoken. Thought I'd stop by with a friendly hello before the mayhem begins. Nice job tonight.

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Torts gets a lot of hate but the man coached a hell of a game tonight. There's plenty of blame for Torts when things go wrong, but he deserves some credit when the team comes out and takes care of business in such a convincing manner in a Game 7.

The transition game was the best I've seen in some time, the Rangers attacked and did not let up even though they led for most of the game, and they played responsibly and disciplined.
Was a very well coached game. Nice to win convincingly against a team that was under .500 outside its brutally weak division and 4-9-2 against our division. Wish they ended this in 5 or 6 though, like they should have. Wish we had a PP, too, but I won't press my luck.

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No, this is the first game the whole series where I felt the Rangers were actually having a proper game plan against the Caps.

Its going to take more than one game to start thinking otherwise. However, Bruins are a much better matchup for Torts system.

Julian and Torts are both like Napoleonic generals. They aren't creative and you know exactly what your going to get. The troops line up and pound one another.

we went 8-2 in april or something like that, then won a 7 game series which we looked absolutely ****** in the first 2 games.. how much more do you honestly need..its not easy going down 2-0 and coming back to win it.. give credit where its due..puts richards on 4th line and dude plays 6mins first 2 periods.. i mean the guy isn't a fool..he knows how to coach... ovi, most dynamic player in the game and one of the most creative centers, backstrum we're held to a couple points each.. as well as ribiero who dominated the reg season.. these guys did nothing in the playoffs.. we matched up our best against theres and got secondary scoring.. idk what more you people want.. its a complete joke.. we're fans of a team and we want them to do well and we dont even support them just criticize their every move.. half you guys wouldve coached and gm'ed this team like NHL 13' this season and wouldve traded hags the first week, stepan the 2nd.. gab after the first month, dz mcd girardi (whos our rock).. its so funny.. lets be positive here!!

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Truer words never spoken. Thought I'd stop by with a friendly hello before the mayhem begins. Nice job tonight.
Aye, this is going to be "old time hockey."

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Torts only coaches first round exits. Clearly needs to be fired. ON TO BAWSTON.

And the team did this without #1 D, Clowe, and much of anything from Nash, Richie, or Cally.

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He prepares the team so well for game 7s, why can't our game plan be like this all the time? I just don't understand.

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He has coached poorly constructed roster by GM to a 2nd round series. Torts is good to stay in my books.

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Demoting Richards (finally!) - good move by the coach.

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Gotta give the guy credit. Down Staal, Clowe, & Powe and comes back from down 2-0 and destroys the hottest team in the league (down the stretch) 5-0 in a road game 7, making club history.

If that doesn't calm down your negativity, neither will a Cup.

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Torts gets a lot of hate but the man coached a hell of a game tonight. There's plenty of blame for Torts when things go wrong, but he deserves some credit when the team comes out and takes care of business in such a convincing manner in a Game 7.

The transition game was the best I've seen in some time, the Rangers attacked and did not let up even though they led for most of the game, and they played responsibly and disciplined.
I can never take this from torts if I'm being objective. He has developed a TOOOOON of guys. He is very very good at teaching the Defensive game to everyone and he has clearly got his finger on the pulse of his guys in terms of motivating them and getting them to form a brotherhood. They play and kill themselves out there for each other.

But he still has a few glaring flaws on certain sides of the puck. But too many forwards now have developed, had their best seasons and stepped up in the PO's b/t this year and last so I can't go overboard with criticism of his development of offensive players. Just his game planning and ability to get the players to execute consistently. Or execute at all on the PP

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Gotta give the guy credit. Down Staal, Clowe, & Powe and comes back from down 2-0 and destroys the hottest team in the league (down the stretch) 5-0 in a road game 7, making club history.

If that doesn't calm down your negativity, neither will a Cup.
Nor will an overdose of the strongest SSRIs out there.

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Torts gets a lot of hate but the man coached a hell of a game tonight. There's plenty of blame for Torts when things go wrong, but he deserves some credit when the team comes out and takes care of business in such a convincing manner in a Game 7.

The transition game was the best I've seen in some time, the Rangers attacked and did not let up even though they led for most of the game, and they played responsibly and disciplined.
Everyone on and off the bench does deserve alot of credit for last night. Like no doubt.

But before Asham scores we are not looking good at all, and even before its 2-0, things are not looking good at all. IE, not "the Caps got the upper hand", but more like how can we survive this??? McD is shaken up. We get nothing, and litterary nothing, going. The Caps had like 4-5 really prime scoring chances. We get a lucky goal on a real low percentage shot, and then scores 2 more on our first 4 shots in the second.

That said, what we do really good is this:

1. Hank is giving us a chance to win

To put it like this, a goalie can rob shooters. You can end up in a situation where it feels like no matter how good chances we get we just can convert. Many goalies can give you that. But Hank is giving us even more/something else, and that is his ability to never almost be overplayed. Pyatt goal's is a extremely typical goal scored at this time of the year. If you pay your due's, play the right way, put the puck on the net, win battles infront of the net, you will score those goals on a regular basis.

But Hank's real strength's is that he isn't at the top of the crease to stop that first shot, when that bounce comes, the shooter does not get an empty net.

Teams will beat him with shots and get deflections. But its extremely hard on Hank to play so well that you get a slam dunk. That really frustrates the teams we are playing, cause they'll need "luck". Like you cannot hit the ice and do the right things and expect to step of the ice with a 2-0 lead after 40 minutes.

2. We are extremely consistent

No matter what you do, nothing will work if you aren't consistent. The race is too long and the marginals too small, to much is asked of the human beings on the ice. There is this saying that about being able to do something in your sleep, that is an essential requirement for a hockey team this time of the year.

Washington is definitely a team that is not as consistent as we are. They get ideas, they get into funks during games, sometimes they fly really high, sometimes they fly really low.

The advantage with Torts style, and its a huge one, is that -- while its extremely simplistic -- when you do something that is easy to do, its also very easy to be consistent at it.

My fear is of course that I have huge concerns about how we would look against a good team. We have played Ottawa, Washington, NJD and Washington in our last four rounds, truth to be told, quite weak hockey teams. Inconsistent, flawed, thin hockey teams. And we have won like what, 3 games (?) of 28, somewhat comfortably. All the while, and especially in the west, we see teams consistently build a much higher maintainance product and thay have now reached levels that just blows the teams we struggle with in the East of the face of the planet.

But we are undoubtedly very consistent.

3. We have many really good, competent and strong hockeyplayers

I know many loves to trash our roster. I don't agree. So many teams out there has many positions filled by players who just are very fragile in the roles they fill at this time of the year.

We had that even three years ago, and especially if you go back to 2005-2010. There are no Maxim Kondratievs on our team anymore. Not even any Dawes or Pruchas. This is what you gain by building consistently.

When everyone is healthy, we basically have Clowe-Boyle-Dorsett as our 4th line and Powe and Asham as spare forwards. So many teams, from Ottawa to Montreal and several others, in terms of consistency and being ready to play in the role they play, where they are in their careers in general, starts at forward nr 8-9 where we start at nr 14-15.

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Also, another thing that we maybe doesn't do well, but something many has a problem with that I don't, and that is our "physical play".

Who didn't want AO's head taken of last night?

The thing is, no matter where you look, no team is hurt as much as the dirtiest team's. Look, this is not black or white. You cannot say, never retailiate. You cannot say that we shouldn't hit more. "One big hit" can really set the tempo of a game. And what not.

Boston is a very physical team, and they have 3 left handed D's out. Montreal and Ottawa tried to kill each other, and while Ottawa could finnish it in 5 they left with many bruises. Philly is a great example of this when for a long period they all their best players got concussion problems. From Lindros to Primau to Gagne, and several others. Ottawa and Toronto where really strong in the late 90's early 00's. They played each other, or the Islanders and another team or two, on a yearly basis, in series that where just insane (anyone remember the Peca hits etc), and no matter what team won one thing was clear and that was that none of the teams had personell to play 4 series or PO hockey after one round against each other.

Its good to be tough. Sometimes you must answer. But more importantly, you cannot loose the aim for why we play these games. And that we do nto.

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