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05-12-2013, 04:41 PM
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Did you ever play one of the top 5 sports in the world for your country.

My belief is you are a person with zero concept of what elite level play is.

based on your rejection of stats.

What i showed was Smyth was a top 40 EV point producer with real players.
And terible with Brown, Eager, Petrell.
Which you do not think is an excuse.

So you believe, Hall, RNH, Eberle are the same as Brown, Petrell, Eager @ even play and the diference is Smyth's fault.
Yes you are so correct.
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

LOL@t......

Embarrasing of historic level:
Classic!

That is what everyone here is arguing.

Smyth needs to hang it up
cause it is his Fault!
Not that there is a diffrence between his teamates.

You guys are saying
Brown = Gagner, HALL, RNH, Eberle,
Petrell = Gagner, HALL, RNH, Eberle,
Eager = Gagner, HALL, RNH, Eberle,
to support your Smyth sucks argument.


EPIC!
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LMAO EPIC!

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You showed that he was a better player statistically when he played with better players. But were other players better when they played with him? In other words, just because other players made him better doesn't mean he made other players better. How he impacted other players would be a better measurement of his effectiveness than how other players impacted him.
There is a site dedicated to player performance with each player to the second.
It also shows if the player was better or worse with or without.

No hocus pocus!

Just results. Like wins and losses.

i too was writing smyth off!
Then i saw Smyth was the 24th best even LW last year.
how could this be!
Until i saw it was the black hole three!

There will be people who see good or see bad and are to stubborn or to shift there opinion.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=179

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There is a site dedicated to player performance with each player to the second.
It also shows if the player was better or worse with or without.

No hocus pocus!

Just results. Like wins and losses.

i too was writing smyth off!
Then i saw Smyth was the 24th best even LW last year.
how could this be!
Until i saw it was the black hole three!

There will be people who see good or see bad and are to stubborn or to shift there opinion.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=179
If he is the 24 th best winger...the league is in trouble. However, if I was MacT, I would bring in this stats guy to use brain control on any GM that wants Smyth, or one we could convince to take him.

I think he is best suited to a player development role now. Smytty should hang them up before he is any worse. I doubt he will though.

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There is a site dedicated to player performance with each player to the second.
It also shows if the player was better or worse with or without.

No hocus pocus!

Just results. Like wins and losses.

i too was writing smyth off!
Then i saw Smyth was the 24th best even LW last year.
how could this be!
Until i saw it was the black hole three!

There will be people who see good or see bad and are to stubborn or to shift there opinion.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=179
Site doesn't make any sense to me, perhaps I'm just looking in the wrong places. That said, stats can be articulated and interpreted in a myriad of ways, many of which will likely have nothing to do with what is being discussed. I prefer to go off of what I actually see on the ice and what I saw of Smyth this past season was ugly, no matter who he was playing with.

I'd love to see him transition into a non-playing role within the organization, but don't want to see him on the ice with the Oilers anymore.

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Site doesn't make any sense to me, perhaps I'm just looking in the wrong places. That said, stats can be articulated and interpreted in a myriad of ways, many of which will likely have nothing to do with what is being discussed. I prefer to go off of what I actually see on the ice and what I saw of Smyth this past season was ugly, no matter who he was playing with.

I'd love to see him transition into a non-playing role within the organization, but don't want to see him on the ice with the Oilers anymore.
How dare you have an opinion of a player based on watching him actually play when there are mountains of stats to educate you.

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Did you ever play one of the top 5 sports in the world for your country.

My belief is you are a person with zero concept of what elite level play is.

based on your rejection of stats.

What i showed was Smyth was a top 40 EV point producer with real players.
And terible with Brown, Eager, Petrell.
Which you do not think is an excuse.

So you believe, Hall, RNH, Eberle are the same as Brown, Petrell, Eager @ even play and the diference is Smyth's fault.
Yes you are so correct.
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

LOL@t......

Embarrasing of historic level:
Classic!

That is what everyone here is arguing.

Smyth needs to hang it up
cause it is his Fault!
Not that there is a diffrence between his teamates.

You guys are saying
Brown = Gagner, HALL, RNH, Eberle,
Petrell = Gagner, HALL, RNH, Eberle,
Eager = Gagner, HALL, RNH, Eberle,
to support your Smyth sucks argument.


EPIC!
EPIC!
LMAO EPIC!
I read your points which you try to back with advanced stats and assert are indisputable, I come away thinking you must be related to this guy:



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05-12-2013, 10:37 PM
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Did you ever play one of the top 5 sports in the world for your country.

My belief is you are a person with zero concept of what elite level play is.

based on your rejection of stats.

What i showed was Smyth was a top 40 EV point producer with real players.
And terible with Brown, Eager, Petrell.
Which you do not think is an excuse.

So you believe, Hall, RNH, Eberle are the same as Brown, Petrell, Eager @ even play and the diference is Smyth's fault.
Yes you are so correct.
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

LOL@t......

Embarrasing of historic level:
Classic!

That is what everyone here is arguing.

Smyth needs to hang it up
cause it is his Fault!
Not that there is a diffrence between his teamates.

You guys are saying
Brown = Gagner, HALL, RNH, Eberle,
Petrell = Gagner, HALL, RNH, Eberle,
Eager = Gagner, HALL, RNH, Eberle,
to support your Smyth sucks argument.


EPIC!
EPIC!
LMAO EPIC!
So you're saying Smyth should be rewarded by getting top six minutes because an algorithm states that he should?

I don't understand what you're trying to prove, he's on the fourth line because he simply is not good enough anymore to play above that.

Instead of looking at your calculator, watch the game and tell me what you think of his play.

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05-12-2013, 10:50 PM
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A lot of this thread shows what has been wrong with Edmonton as a whole for the last 20 years when it comes to the Oilers. Smyth is a perfectly serviceable 4th liner these days, who poured his heart and soul into this team during the majority of his career. And here people are trashing him like crazy.

If free agents and prospective trade targets with NMC's see and hear fans trashing even the most loyal players they will probably hesitate to come here.

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A lot of this thread shows what has been wrong with Edmonton as a whole for the last 20 years when it comes to the Oilers. Smyth is a perfectly serviceable 4th liner these days, who poured his heart and soul into this team during the majority of his career. And here people are trashing him like crazy.

If free agents and prospective trade targets with NMC's see and hear fans trashing even the most loyal players they will probably hesitate to come here.
Awful effort level, selfish, whines about being scratched, can't skate, still thinks he's good, makes dumb decisions. (Taking clapper from the blue line when he has a 2 on 1 with Yakupov) There are a lot of things that make me and many other people forget about what he ever did here.

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A lot of this thread shows what has been wrong with Edmonton as a whole for the last 20 years when it comes to the Oilers. Smyth is a perfectly serviceable 4th liner these days, who poured his heart and soul into this team during the majority of his career. And here people are trashing him like crazy.

If free agents and prospective trade targets with NMC's see and hear fans trashing even the most loyal players they will probably hesitate to come here.
I can't help but Kings fans thought the same when they traded him for Colin Fraser, who amazingly became more useful than Smyth when he left...

Smyth coasted for a ton of games this year. It's a pretty sad year when Corey Potter and Brian McGratton manage to outscore you. They have a combined... what, 12 NHL goals?

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Did you ever play one of the top 5 sports in the world for your country.

My belief is you are a person with zero concept of what elite level play is.

based on your rejection of stats.

What i showed was Smyth was a top 40 EV point producer with real players.
And terible with Brown, Eager, Petrell.
Which you do not think is an excuse.

So you believe, Hall, RNH, Eberle are the same as Brown, Petrell, Eager @ even play and the diference is Smyth's fault.
Yes you are so correct.
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

LOL@t......

Embarrasing of historic level:
Classic!

That is what everyone here is arguing.

Smyth needs to hang it up
cause it is his Fault!
Not that there is a diffrence between his teamates.

You guys are saying
Brown = Gagner, HALL, RNH, Eberle,
Petrell = Gagner, HALL, RNH, Eberle,
Eager = Gagner, HALL, RNH, Eberle,
to support your Smyth sucks argument.


EPIC!
EPIC!
LMAO EPIC!
My advanced eye stats says Smyth is to slow no shot cant keep up with play and most of all needs to hang them up.

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You want your 4th line players to be physical, black shots, fight ect..

Smyth is below average in every single aspect of the game, this guy should not be in the NHL , let alone making 2.250 mil, the Oilers deserve to be jokes.

Knowing the Oilers management this guy will probably be a part of the Oilers in some way, when he retires.


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How dare you have an opinion of a player based on watching him actually play when there are mountains of stats to educate you.
Yeah, it's a cutting edge approach, I tell ya!

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A lot of this thread shows what has been wrong with Edmonton as a whole for the last 20 years when it comes to the Oilers. Smyth is a perfectly serviceable 4th liner these days, who poured his heart and soul into this team during the majority of his career. And here people are trashing him like crazy.

If free agents and prospective trade targets with NMC's see and hear fans trashing even the most loyal players they will probably hesitate to come here.
At least part of the reason I want him to retire is in recognition of this fact, so that he can go out with his legacy intact. He's killing his own legacy by continuing to play.

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If free agents and prospective trade targets with NMC's see and hear fans trashing even the most loyal players they will probably hesitate to come here.
Loyalty? The same guy that turned down the best offer we could manage at that point for "Greener" pastures, it goes both ways

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Awful effort level, selfish, whines about being scratched, can't skate, still thinks he's good, makes dumb decisions. (Taking clapper from the blue line when he has a 2 on 1 with Yakupov) There are a lot of things that make me and many other people forget about what he ever did here.
WHAT?!?!?!?! DUDE!!!! That's a CORSI right there!!!! Nothing wrong with a clapper from inside the blue line with a wide open kid who easily has the best shot on the team, among the best on the planet, wide open on the other side.

What if he passes it over and it gets deflected away or Yak whifs? Huh? What then? I'll tell you what then - no CORSI FOR YOU! No, the low percentage muffin from inside the line is the right play. You need to get your CORSIS where you can.

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There is a site dedicated to player performance with each player to the second.
It also shows if the player was better or worse with or without.

No hocus pocus!

Just results. Like wins and losses.

i too was writing smyth off!
Then i saw Smyth was the 24th best even LW last year.
how could this be!
Until i saw it was the black hole three!

There will be people who see good or see bad and are to stubborn or to shift there opinion.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=179
Looking at that site, it appears a 4 th line of Smyth, jones, and smithson would be quite effective.

In an effort to appease the "saw him good guys" , I would like to say that this makes logical sense as all three guys are vets who would see most of their ice time vs the other teams' week east forwards. Smithson is an excellent face off guy so they will have the puck to start most of their shifts.

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A lot of this thread shows what has been wrong with Edmonton as a whole for the last 20 years when it comes to the Oilers. Smyth is a perfectly serviceable 4th liner these days, who poured his heart and soul into this team during the majority of his career. And here people are trashing him like crazy.

If free agents and prospective trade targets with NMC's see and hear fans trashing even the most loyal players they will probably hesitate to come here.
So not Smyth. 2007 anyone?

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So not Smyth. 2007 anyone?
"I'm going to test the free agent market" "I need to start thinking about my family"

That was the moment I stopped liking him.

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If he is the 24 th best winger...the league is in trouble. However, if I was MacT, I would bring in this stats guy to use brain control on any GM that wants Smyth, or one we could convince to take him.

I think he is best suited to a player development role now. Smytty should hang them up before he is any worse. I doubt he will though.

i said even points. last year.
Our team needs the best even scoring and PK in the bottom six.
Cause we know who is going to get the PP time.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...iewName=points

My 5 year old can click the EVP column and see the 4 players with 38 even points.

What! Is the league stats page lying?

This just gets better.

Brown is equal to HALL, Gagner, RNH, Eberle.
And the league is lying.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...iewName=points

and Taylor Hall was not the third best EVP LW cause the league lies.

[http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...iewName=points

and Eberle was not 9th best RW and yakupov the 24 th best RW

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...rt=points&pg=2

I hope we target Bickell and stahlberg

LW
Hall
XXX
Bickell
Smyth

RW
Yakupov
Eberle
Stahlberg
Rajalas

To dream.


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Awful effort level, selfish, whines about being scratched, can't skate, still thinks he's good, makes dumb decisions. (Taking clapper from the blue line when he has a 2 on 1 with Yakupov) There are a lot of things that make me and many other people forget about what he ever did here.
Agreed. Its going to unbearable watching him play next year when hes a year older and a year SLOWER than last....I cannot stand his silly clapper he unleashes multiple times a game...

Please Ryan do the right think and retire...

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No point in hating on Smytty. He has a contract, will come here and play 6 minutes a night alongside Petrell and some other tool. As long as he doesnt play on the top 2 lines, EVER, we are ok

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"I'm going to test the free agent market" "I need to start thinking about my family"

That was the moment I stopped liking him.
The guy threw a hissy fit over 100000 dollars. Judging by how 2 summers ago went, I highly doubt he was thinking about his family rather than money back in 2007.

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No point in hating on Smytty. He has a contract, will come here and play 6 minutes a night alongside Petrell and some other tool. As long as he doesnt play on the top 2 lines, EVER, we are ok
Well based on this we are not okay.


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i said even points. last year.
Our team needs the best even scoring and PK in the bottom six.
Cause we know who is going to get the PP time.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...iewName=points

My 5 year old can click the EVP column and see the 4 players with 38 even points.

What! Is the league stats page lying?

This just gets better.

Brown is equal to HALL, Gagner, RNH, Eberle.
And the league is lying.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...iewName=points

and Taylor Hall was not the third best EVP LW cause the league lies.

[http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...iewName=points

and Eberle was not 9th best RW and yakupov the 24 th best RW

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...rt=points&pg=2

I hope we target Bickell and stahlberg

LW
Hall
XXX
Bickell
Smyth

RW
Yakupov
Eberle
Stahlberg
Rajalas

To dream.
Do you know how hard it is to follow what you're saying? I can barely comprehend what point you're trying to prove. Mike Brown is not going to be compared to the kids because that's not his role.

And you want a 5'8 finesse player in Rajala playing on your fourth line?

And you would rather have Smyth over Paajarvi?

I know you probably have a couple Smyth jerseys and by the sounds of it possibly a pair of his lucky undies but come on man.

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i said even points. last year.
Our team needs the best even scoring and PK in the bottom six.
Cause we know who is going to get the PP time.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...iewName=points

My 5 year old can click the EVP column and see the 4 players with 38 even points.

What! Is the league stats page lying?

This just gets better.

Brown is equal to HALL, Gagner, RNH, Eberle.
And the league is lying.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...iewName=points

and Taylor Hall was not the third best EVP LW cause the league lies.

[http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...iewName=points

and Eberle was not 9th best RW and yakupov the 24 th best RW

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...rt=points&pg=2

I hope we target Bickell and stahlberg

LW
Hall
XXX
Bickell
Smyth

RW
Yakupov
Eberle
Stahlberg
Rajalas

To dream.
You keep going back to the Well of Ryan over and over again without actually proving the one point you should be trying prove to make your case, which is how Smyth makes other players better and/or how other players make Smyth worse. If neither happens, it's time for Smytty to retire with grace.

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