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05-11-2013, 04:42 PM
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The Pens did lose Kevin Stevens to a concussion/face explosion.

He was the most dominant power forward in the league at the time, and it wasn't even close. If he's not injured, the Pens win the Cup. That WAS the difference.
So many Pens fans post stuff like this that make us all wonder if they have ever watched a single game that didn't include the Pens

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Unless hockeyreference.com is wrong, the Wings were up 2-0 and then lost 3 straight and had to win the last 2, they weren't up 3-0.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/team...996_games.html
Correct. Game 2 was a rout and it looked like the Wings were running away with the series, but Igor Kravchuk won Game 3 for the Blues in OT and suddenly St. Louis looked a lot stronger.

That year was incredibly frustrating for the Wings once the playoffs started. Winnipeg took them to six (thanks to Nikolai Khabibulin), the Blues nearly beat them, and then they dropped the first two at home to Colorado en route to a six game loss. After that series it truly felt like they'd never get over the hump.

Going 16-4 the following year after an underwhelming regular season was a dream

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The point was the series shouldnt have even have gotten to a 7th game considering that Turgeon wasnt even playing...

Yes it hurts to lose Stevens but its not like they lost Lemieux. This was a team that won 2 straight Cups. Im pretty sure they were capable of raising their game after an injury to defeat an inferior team.
Top scoring players from the 1991 and 1992 playoffs are as follows; I have included the top five by PPG and the top ten by total points. Players arranged by PPG.

PlayerGPGAPtPPG
Mario Lemieux383246782.05
Pat LaFontaine783111.57
Brett Hull191512271.42
Mark Recchi241024341.42
Adam Oates281227391.39
Rick Tocchet14613191.36
Kevin Stevens453031611.36
Luc Robitaille18158231.28
Jeremy Roenick241515301.25
Bernie Nicholls211214261.24
Brian Bellows301423371.23
Dave Gagner301419331.10
Raymond Bourque311024341.10
Ron Francis451519440.98
Jaromir Jagr451423370.82
Larry Murphy441128390.89

As you can see, only a handful of players managed to score as well as Stevens did per game. And Stevens did it while playing the most games of the group; along with Jagr, Francis, Phil Bourque, and Troy Loney he led the league in playoff games played over that two year period.

So yes, a healthy Stevens would have been a HUGE factor in that 1993 game 7.

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Im well aware how good Stevens was in the playoffs but what does that have to do with my point?

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Well we have a new candidate.

Has anyone ever been scored on twice with the goalie pulled to lose Game 7?

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1979 CF Game 7. Boston led Montreal 3-1 at the start of the 3rd period. Montreal tied it, then Boston scored with under 5 minutes left to play. Hardly a choke job though. Playing on the road against the reigning cup champs.
They mentioned tonight that Boston got scored on with 1:24 left in that game. So if that was the record, it has now been broken. Bruins scored with 50 seconds remaining tonight.

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Not necessarily a series but for one game tonight, Leafs up by three with nine minutes to go, then reality set in. Still up by two with a minute and a half to go, two quick goals then losing in Overtime. I feel for the Leafs, I was actually pulling for them, but wow what a deer in headlights moment. It was like watching a train wreck in slow motion. I know Boston was favored but this may be the biggest playoff choke ever.

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Well we have a new candidate.

Has anyone ever been scored on twice with the goalie pulled to lose Game 7?
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Not necessarily a series but for one game tonight, Leafs up by three with nine minutes to go, then reality set in. Still up by two with a minute and a half to go, two quick goals then losing in Overtime. I feel for the Leafs, I was actually pulling for them, but wow what a deer in headlights moment. It was like watching a train wreck in slow motion. I know Boston was favored but this may be the biggest playoff choke ever.
I see your Leafs in 2013 and raise you a Devils in 2009... went from winning in regulation, to losing in regulation, in a minute.

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I see your Leafs in 2013 and raise you a Devils in 2009... went from winning in regulation, to losing in regulation, in a minute.
Toronto was up two goals with 1:30 left though, the Devils were only up one. I guess you could say both collapsed in the final two minutes, but surely Toronto's was more improbable. After giving up one goal, it was anybody's game in the NJ example. The Leafs had the insurance goal in their back pocket and still couldn't hang on.

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I see your Leafs in 2013 and raise you a Devils in 2009... went from winning in regulation, to losing in regulation, in a minute.
The Hawks went 49 years so that means in 3 years in 2016 the Leafs will win the Cup!

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Toronto was up two goals with 1:30 left though, the Devils were only up one. I guess you could say both collapsed in the final two minutes, but surely Toronto's was more improbable. After giving up one goal, it was anybody's game in the NJ example. The Leafs had the insurance goal in their back pocket and still couldn't hang on.
I agree, after what I watched last night I think we arguably have a team with a legitimate shot of being the team who blew it more than anyone. 4-1 with 10 minutes left in Game 7 and losing in overtime is just frightening. Up two goals with 90 seconds left and the opposing goalie pulled and then having the game tied only to lose in overtime is something that has never happened.

No team in NHL history has been up in a Game 7 by 3 goals in the 3rd period and lost the game. That's a dubious record right there, but it will be talked about for quite some time. Maybe forever.

They aren't chokers in the way of the 1993 Pens, since the Pens were insanely favoured. But they are chokers in the mold of letting one slip away as good as anyone.

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05-15-2013, 08:03 AM
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I agree, after what I watched last night I think we arguably have a team with a legitimate shot of being the team who blew it more than anyone. 4-1 with 10 minutes left in Game 7 and losing in overtime is just frightening. Up two goals with 90 seconds left and the opposing goalie pulled and then having the game tied only to lose in overtime is something that has never happened.

No team in NHL history has been up in a Game 7 by 3 goals in the 3rd period and lost the game. That's a dubious record right there, but it will be talked about for quite some time. Maybe forever.

They aren't chokers in the way of the 1993 Pens, since the Pens were insanely favoured. But they are chokers in the mold of letting one slip away as good as anyone.
It was a spectacular choke job for sure.

The only saving grace is... did anyone think the Leafs would do as well against Boston as they did in the first place?

Sure they blew it huge in the end but I was pleasantly surprised they played as well as they did up until then.

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The Leafs were definitely playing with house money just by reaching Game 7, so in a series context this could never be cosidered a choke job.

But for a given situation, it's definitely an all-timer. I've only ever seen one other team get scored on twice with less time left in a playoff game. Game 3, 2001 WC Quarterfinal, Edmonton-Dallas. The Oilers were down 2-0 and scored with 51 seconds and 8 seconds left to force OT. Since they lost the game in OT, it didn't really matter in the end.

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Yeah the 94 Wings/Sharks series is talked about way too much. I think a lot of Wings fans became Wings fans on the hype of that team and weren't aware that the Sharks had put together a solid team by the end of that season. And Wings fans back then knew the goalie situation prevented us from being a real contender. Frankly, the 93 loss to Toronto was more disappointing to me personally.

Also the 96 team had the misfortune of having the great and up and coming Nordiques moved into their conference. They beat us in the opening game that season if I remember right. There's no shame in the Wings and Avs losing to each other during that time. It was only shocking to Wings fans who didn't realize the 1 seed from the east with a stacked but young roster had just been dumped into the west. The real kicker in that series was Coffey's hat trick in game one. If only all 3 goals came against the other team. I'm also surprised someone mentioned 99 and 00. Again it's not our fault we played the Avs in the second round. 99 hurt winning the first 2 on the road but the comeback from an 0-2 deficit has become much more common...

The 01 loss also isn't a choke in my book. Yzerman, Fedorov and Shanny were all injured. And I still swear one of Deadmarsh's goals never actually crossed the goal line. But that's another story.

The real choke for the Wings. 03! This was the defending champs with the hall of fame roster and they were swept out. Sure Giggy deserves credit, but swept? They were still full on the 02 cup and didn't try very hard. Is that a choke? I think so. Just didn't show up.

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Top scoring players from the 1991 and 1992 playoffs are as follows; I have included the top five by PPG and the top ten by total points. Players arranged by PPG.

PlayerGPGAPtPPG
Mario Lemieux383246782.05
Pat LaFontaine783111.57
Brett Hull191512271.42
Mark Recchi241024341.42
Adam Oates281227391.39
Rick Tocchet14613191.36
Kevin Stevens453031611.36
Luc Robitaille18158231.28
Jeremy Roenick241515301.25
Bernie Nicholls211214261.24
Brian Bellows301423371.23
Dave Gagner301419331.10
Raymond Bourque311024341.10
Ron Francis451519440.98
Jaromir Jagr451423370.82
Larry Murphy441128390.89

As you can see, only a handful of players managed to score as well as Stevens did per game. And Stevens did it while playing the most games of the group; along with Jagr, Francis, Phil Bourque, and Troy Loney he led the league in playoff games played over that two year period.

So yes, a healthy Stevens would have been a HUGE factor in that 1993 game 7.
ok another point is the pens have 6 guys on that list. so in game 7 they had 5 of those guys play the entire game, and again a weak islanders team without their best offensive player.

'93 pens choked big time

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