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05-13-2013, 08:13 PM
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I hate to be 'THIS guy' but I gotta come out and say it:

Watching our late picks possibly move up the draft is like watching paint dry
I disagree as much as it sucks the Flames are out the games have been great this year lots of chances for every team and physical to boot. Except the SJ series but I also enjoyed the poor hockey in that one for some reason

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05-13-2013, 09:23 PM
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Okay so Leafs lose and Rangers win (well.. they're up 5-0).

So what are the scenarios now? The pick can be worse than 22nd, right? And it could move up to 19th?

The pick situation makes the playoffs more interesting for me. Once the Flames are out, I'm usually too bitter/busy to watch. It's nice to have teams to "cheer" for.

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05-13-2013, 09:30 PM
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Updated with Washington & Toronto losses.

No change to the Blues pick as we already knew that both Washington & Boston couldn't reach the final 4.

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There seems to be a decent amount of confusion when it comes to the order of the draft picks for teams that are in the post season. So I am going to try to keep this thread updated with each elimination. I will list where the picks sit currently, the highest pick possible for each team and lowest pick possible for all eliminated teams.

Let us start with what we actually know:
  1. Colorado Avalance (Won draft lottery)
  2. Florida Panthers
  3. Tampa Bay Lightning
  4. Nashville Predators
  5. Carolina Hurricanes
  6. Calgary Flames
  7. Edmonton Oilers
  8. Buffalo Sabres
  9. New Jersey Devils (Must forfeit 1st round pick in 2013 or 2014 due to cap circumvention)
  10. Dallas Stars
  11. Philadelphia Flyers
  12. Phoenix Coyotes
  13. Winnipeg Jets
  14. Columbus Blue Jackets
  15. New York Islanders
  16. Minnesota Wild (Traded to Buffalo Sabres)

In the works.
  • Ottawa Senators
    • Highest - 17
    • Lowest - 30

  • Detroit Red Wings
    • Highest - 17
    • Lowest - 30

  • New York Rangers (Traded to Columbus Blue Jackets)
    • Highest - 17
    • Lowest - 30

  • San Jose Sharks
    • Highest - 17
    • Lowest - 30

  • Toronto Maple Leafs
    • Highest - 17
    • Lowest - 21

  • Los Angeles Kings (Traded to Columbus Blue Jackets)
    • Highest - 18
    • Lowest - 30

  • St. Louis Blues (Traded to Calgary Flames)
    • Highest - 19
    • Lowest - 22

  • Boston Bruins (Traded to Dallas Stars if Bruins reach East Finals)
    • Highest - 20
    • Lowest - 30

  • Washington Capitals
    • Highest - 21
    • Lowest - 24

  • Vancouver Canucks
    • Highest - 22
    • Lowest - 24

  • Montreal Canadiens
    • Highest - 23
    • Lowest - 25

  • Anaheim Ducks
    • Highest - 24
    • Lowest - 26

  • Pittsburgh Penguins (Traded to Calgary Flames)
    • Highest - 25
    • Lowest - 30

  • Chicago Blackhawks
    • Highest - 26
    • Lowest - 30

Picks set by playoff achievement.
27 ) Conference Finalist
28 ) Conference Finalist
29 ) Stanley Cup Finalist
30 ) Stanley Cup Champion


Best possible scenario for the St. Louis Blues pick:

If none of Chicago, Pittsburgh or Boston reach the third round, then the St. Louis will draft 19th overall.

Best possible scenario for the Pittsburgh Penguins pick:

If the Penguins are eliminated in round 1 or 2 and Chicago also fails to reach the third round, then the Pittsburgh pick will be 25th overall.

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05-13-2013, 10:55 PM
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So correct me if I'm wrong, but the best case scenario for the Flames picks:

Detroit goes to the West Final against LA or San Jose
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Ottawa goes to the East Final against Boston or NYR

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05-13-2013, 10:58 PM
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So correct me if I'm wrong, but the best case scenario for the Flames picks:

Detroit goes to the West Final against LA or San Jose
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Ottawa goes to the East Final against Boston or NYR
detroit/LA or SJ
ottawa/NYR

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detroit/LA or SJ
ottawa/NYR
Boston finished ahead of St. Louis in the standings but didn't win their division - their finish wouldn't affect the outcome of either draft pick.

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05-13-2013, 11:33 PM
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Boston finished ahead of St. Louis in the standings but didn't win their division - their finish wouldn't affect the outcome of either draft pick.
It would because a boston win puts nyr with a low record pushing our pick back while nyr win pushes the boston pick out of the final 4 pushing our pick up

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05-13-2013, 11:44 PM
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Boston finished ahead of St. Louis in the standings but didn't win their division - their finish wouldn't affect the outcome of either draft pick.
it will impact the Blues pick because if the Bruins don't make the final 4 they pick between the Blues pick and the division winners, if they make the final 4 it means ther eis 1 more team below the Blues in the standings eliminated before the final 4.

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05-13-2013, 11:52 PM
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Ah so it's about the Rangers winning.

Go Blue!

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05-14-2013, 12:03 AM
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Ah so it's about the Rangers winning.

Go Blue!
Yeah pretty much. Basically anyone below the Blues in the final standings helps us if they win

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05-14-2013, 12:10 AM
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The Rangers move on... I don't know if I can take any more of them at this point. Most boring team in years. I hope we get some good brawls in their Boston series, or something.

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05-14-2013, 09:36 AM
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Moving from 22nd --> 20th = who cares.

Moving from 6th to 3rd or 4th = omg omg omg.

Moving a few spots in the later stages of the first round means almost nothing.

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05-14-2013, 10:32 AM
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Moving from 22nd --> 20th = who cares.

Moving from 6th to 3rd or 4th = omg omg omg.

Moving a few spots in the later stages of the first round means almost nothing.
Yeah..no good player was ever taken past the 20th mark

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05-14-2013, 10:38 AM
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claude giroux or dennis persson......

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Yeah..no good player was ever taken past the 20th mark
I agree with him to a point, but the higher the better just because you have more options.

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05-14-2013, 10:57 AM
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I agree with him to a point, but the higher the better just because you have more options.
You wanted the Pen's to lose stating multiple times that moving up in the draft was more important than watching Iginla raise the cup. Now you agree that it doesn't really matter?

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05-14-2013, 10:59 AM
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There's a sense of irony here I think. Almost like a paradox

1) Before we shouldn't cheer to lose with criticism that it wasn't fan behavior?

2) But now we cheer others to win to better our cause?

I ask, what's ultimately the difference?

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You wanted the Pen's to lose stating multiple times that moving up in the draft was more important than watching Iginla raise the cup. Now you agree that it doesn't really matter?
No I stated I wanted the Pens to lose because I think they are a POS franchise that is run by a POS owner and I would never cheer for a team that intentionally threwlarge portions of seasons for the sake of trying to draft an elite player and would never cheer for a team ran by the KD Lang look alike because he trashed the league that made him rich.

and I stated the same as I just did a higher pick is better because of the options and that argument was also about the difference in 6 draft positions, not 2.

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05-14-2013, 11:19 AM
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There's a sense of irony here I think. Almost like a paradox

1) Before we shouldn't cheer to lose with criticism that it wasn't fan behavior?

2) But now we cheer others to win to better our cause?

I ask, what's ultimately the difference?
Pride
Competitive nature
Never giving up

There is a significant difference between wanting the best for your teams future and quitting in order to improve it.

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05-14-2013, 11:24 AM
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There's a sense of irony here I think. Almost like a paradox

1) Before we shouldn't cheer to lose with criticism that it wasn't fan behavior?

2) But now we cheer others to win to better our cause?

I ask, what's ultimately the difference?
Getting too deep, bro. Scale it down a bit...

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You wanted the Pen's to lose stating multiple times that moving up in the draft was more important than watching Iginla raise the cup. Now you agree that it doesn't really matter?
He's saying that he cheers for the crest on the front, not the name on the back. He probably doesn't dislike Iginla but he's all about the Flames, which Iginla is not currently a part of. But you're actually off-topic here.

What I think he is acknowledging "doesn't really matter" is whether in the latter parts moving up or down 1-3 draft spots makes much of a difference, which is true - a lot of teams make a gamble on what they seem to feel is the "best" project player that could hopefully top out as top 2 pairing/top 6 players... but most teams can't really judge that fully and are all guessing past the 10th pick, most likely. It's the luck of the draw between drafting Jeff Carter at 11th overall, Hugh Jessiman at 12th, or Dustin Brown at 13th overall in 2003.

It'd be nice either way to have as high of a pick as possible. I'd like to see the Penguins pick (at hopefully around 26-27) for either two second-rounders or packaged for 17th-ish overall.

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05-14-2013, 11:29 AM
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I don't dislike Iginla, he is my all-time favorite player. I just can't bring myself to cheer for that franchise. I would love for Iginla to go elsewhere next year and win.

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05-14-2013, 11:34 AM
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No I stated I wanted the Pens to lose because I think they are a POS franchise that is run by a POS owner and I would never cheer for a team that intentionally threwlarge portions of seasons for the sake of trying to draft an elite player and would never cheer for a team ran by the KD Lang look alike because he trashed the league that made him rich.

and I stated the same as I just did a higher pick is better because of the options and that argument was also about the difference in 6 draft positions, not 2.
I'm sure all the worlds Pens fans really cared about how they tanked years prior to them winning the cup in 2009.

I dont care if they tanked. They got a great player and are now one of the best teams in the league. There is no asterisk next to their cup win despite what you might think.

Go talk about pride, blah blah blah. Id rather watch a winning team that did it by "tanking" than watch a crappy team that i have "pride" in.

It's not like the pens are a bunch of whining divers like the Canucks. They are a fun team to watch and i dont find them easy to hate in the slightest.

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Pride
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There is a significant difference between wanting the best for your teams future and quitting in order to improve it.
A) Right now people are cheering for other teams to help our cause. That cause is a higher draft pick.


B) Before (during the regular season) people were cheering for other teams to help our cause. The cause was a higher draft pick.

Other than a time difference, does A = B ??

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A) Right now people are cheering for other teams to help our cause. That cause is a higher draft pick.


B) Before (during the regular season) people were cheering for other teams to help our cause. The cause was a higher draft pick.

Other than a time difference, does A = B ??
you seem to be ignoring that during B it meant cheering against your own team

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you seem to be ignoring that during B it meant cheering against your own team
Perhaps. But isn't cheering for the cause (higher draft pick) ultimately cheering for your own team?

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