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05-14-2013, 11:15 AM
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he's been a big reason for the solid play of the 3rd line. him boyle and pyatt have all been playing good and it coincided with him being give more ice time after shaking off the initial rust.

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We now have last year's style with way more skill and better depth on defense. This team is light years better than last.
Last year with Staal playing we had Bickel as our No. 6 and a somewhat injured Eminger as a spare.
This year with Staal Eminger would be the spare and Bickel is No. 10 depending on how you rank him with Hamrlik, Gilroy.

Rangers could possibly survive a series with an injury or two on their defense as they did against the Caps more or less without Staal.

1. McDonagh
2. Staal (?)
3. Girardi
4. Stralman
5. Del Zotto
6. Moore
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8. Hamrlik
9. Gilroy
10. Bickel

Then there's McIlrath. We have defensive depth. We also have more forward depth.

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He doesn't remind me of that cancer Avery at all.

I think Chris Neil is a much better comparison, although not nearly the same fighting ability.
IMO Dorsett is no Chris Neil. Neil can legitimately go with heavyweights. Neil can hurt players playing dirty or playing clean. He is noticeably larger than Dorsett and hits really hard. Dorsett and Neil in a fight would not be a good match for Dorsett. Dorsett is Prust size but not as good a fighter as Prust. Being willing is one thing--being able is another.

What it comes down to is Dorsett is a gritty agitating little peckerhead with some skill and a bit of crazy--why the Avery comparison.

Neil is a very good fighter-an intimidating body checker with some skill and a lot of mean.

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05-14-2013, 12:06 PM
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He looked great last night, forget what I said a couple pages back where I didn't see the comparison to Prust. Good skater, skates hard, cycles well, better shot than Prust, might not be as good of a passer but that line looks great. And I am happy Boyle is playing well, he seems to be a good playoff performer (going back to last year before his concussion)

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IMO Dorsett is no Chris Neil. Neil can legitimately go with heavyweights. Neil can hurt players playing dirty or playing clean. He is noticeably larger than Dorsett and hits really hard. Dorsett and Neil in a fight would not be a good match for Dorsett. Dorsett is Prust size but not as good a fighter as Prust. Being willing is one thing--being able is another.

What it comes down to is Dorsett is a gritty agitating little peckerhead with some skill and a bit of crazy--why the Avery comparison.

Neil is a very good fighter-an intimidating body checker with some skill and a lot of mean.

Dorsett is in between those 2 size wise. Every scrappy player reminds people of Avery around here. I don't think he is anything like him.

BTW I never said Dorsett is a heavy weight, I know he isn't. However, he has a similar skillset and disposition compared to Neil. While he does take some (stupid) penalties, every player making a living in this niche does. If Avery got hit like Dorsett did, Avery would have spent the entire game trying to get retribution. It only made Dorsett and the team as a whole play better.

I don't want this thread to devolve into an Avery good/bad thread. Suffice to say I will agree to disagree.

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Dorse has been very good after a few really bad games. I don't see the third line 20 goal potential CBJ fans were talking about yet, but I definitely see a very very good fourth liner.

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We now have last year's style with way more skill and better depth on defense. This team is light years better than last.
Not sure about light years better. If Clowe and Staal were legitimately healthy I would think the team was better. I think this team has the ability to be better than last years team.

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He doesn't remind me of that cancer Avery at all.

I think Chris Neil is a much better comparison, although not nearly the same fighting ability.
Neil is the better fighter, but he is bigger.

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he's been a big reason for the solid play of the 3rd line. him boyle and pyatt have all been playing good and it coincided with him being give more ice time after shaking off the initial rust.
Interesting how the Rangers really struggled to have any sort of depth until Boyle and Dorsett were able to get their feet back under them and play a bit together. I think Dorsett could be the ideal winger for a center like Boyle. Similar player style wise to Prust who Boyle thrived with.

Also, finally seeing Pyatt control the boards ala Fedotenko which helps.

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Everybody talks about Hank how great he was. But what about all the blocks from Dorsetts line (Boyle and Pyatt incl) ? It seemed that the shots from the Caps never went through to Hank. That goes for all lines though
i concur and next year this will be a hell of a 4th line. im hoping krieder and miller will be on the 3rd. would make this team DEEP

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Dorse has been very good after a few really bad games. I don't see the third line 20 goal potential CBJ fans were talking about yet, but I definitely see a very very good fourth liner.
He will never make the 2nd line on a good team, but on the occasion where he is playing with skilled players (some stretches with CBJ), he is capable of 20. 14 - 16 is probably closer, but 20 could be.

On the 4th line everything moves 110% and he gets out of control a bit. On the 2nd line where things move at 85%, he is a much different player.

Actually exceptional on the PK, too. He has a good hockey mind.

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Looks like he has a great shot. I think he's been good for us after shaking the rust off. He's the oldest player we got in the Gaborik trade, and he's only 26. Awesome.

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Dorsett is in between those 2 size wise. Every scrappy player reminds people of Avery around here. I don't think he is anything like him.

BTW I never said Dorsett is a heavy weight, I know he isn't. However, he has a similar skillset and disposition compared to Neil. While he does take some (stupid) penalties, every player making a living in this niche does. If Avery got hit like Dorsett did, Avery would have spent the entire game trying to get retribution. It only made Dorsett and the team as a whole play better.

I don't want this thread to devolve into an Avery good/bad thread. Suffice to say I will agree to disagree.
I don't think it's as much about being scrappy as it is being a pest. There's a difference, and Dorsett certainly seems to possess that same type of annoyance.

We can only hope he has a couple years coming up where he puts up 30 point season like Avery did but that will be tough.

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I hope he builds off last night cause he played a heck of a game for us IMO and can be a factor in these games

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Dorsett is more of a Prust/Neil type player than a Sean Avery. Either way, every team needs a guy like him.

Now just imagine if we kept Prust while not signing Pyatt...

Lineup could be

Hagelin Stepan Callahan
Nash Richards Zucc
Prust Brassard Clowe
Asham Boyle Dorsett

Maybe switch Brass God and Richards, but my dear lord... That is sexy

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Dorsett is more of a Prust/Neil type player than a Sean Avery. Either way, every team needs a guy like him.

Now just imagine if we kept Prust while not signing Pyatt...

Lineup could be

Hagelin Stepan Callahan
Nash Richards Zucc
Prust Brassard Clowe
Asham Boyle Dorsett

Maybe switch Brass God and Richards, but my dear lord... That is sexy
The Avery comparison stems from his annoyingness. I see it in that regard. Otherwise I agree with the Neil comparison. Neil is very annoying too.

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Not sure about light years better. If Clowe and Staal were legitimately healthy I would think the team was better. I think this team has the ability to be better than last years team.



Neil is the better fighter, but he is bigger.



Interesting how the Rangers really struggled to have any sort of depth until Boyle and Dorsett were able to get their feet back under them and play a bit together. I think Dorsett could be the ideal winger for a center like Boyle. Similar player style wise to Prust who Boyle thrived with.

Also, finally seeing Pyatt control the boards ala Fedotenko which helps.
With Staal I think the only place this team is worse is in defensive forwards. I feel like we had more guys like Prust and Feds that were really good defensively. They were therefore grittier. However, a healthy Staal means we don't play Bickel 3 minutes in a triple OT game. So that means the D doesn't get tired. Staal is great, but that fact might make wonder about Eminger and Moore vs. Staal and Bickel. If we have a weaker D talent-wise, but we don't end up playing with 5 D-men in a series, the trade off is interesting. Now offensively this team is much better. Stepan and Brassard are much better than last year's Richards and Stepan. I still prefer Nash over Gabby (especially injured Gabby). He was playing a lot better the last 2 games. No one on last year's team was as creative and as good of a passer as Brassard and Zucc. Richards has really not been this great in either year. Stepan was not great in the playoffs last year. Actually he hasn't been great this year, but he's a better player this year by far, I still have faith in him, I don't think he's been poor, he does have to pick it up though.

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Dorsett is more of a Prust/Neil type player than a Sean Avery. Either way, every team needs a guy like him.

Now just imagine if we kept Prust while not signing Pyatt...

Lineup could be

Hagelin Stepan Callahan
Nash Richards Zucc
Prust Brassard Clowe
Asham Boyle Dorsett

Maybe switch Brass God and Richards, but my dear lord... That is sexy
I can never understand why fans change successful lines all the time, then they got on Torts for doing it during a game. Brassard and Zucc have amazing chemistry, Richards has sucked, why putting Richards with Zucc? Why did you demote Brassard? For being our best forward?

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Dorsett is more of a Prust/Neil type player than a Sean Avery. Either way, every team needs a guy like him.

Now just imagine if we kept Prust while not signing Pyatt...

Lineup could be

Hagelin Stepan Callahan
Nash Richards Zucc
Prust Brassard Clowe
Asham Boyle Dorsett

Maybe switch Brass God and Richards, but my dear lord... That is sexy
I'm hoping the Rangers add to Dorsett and Asham in the off-season. Would be great to have a bottom-6 that can antagonize and drop the gloves if need be. Nystrom, Torres, Larose all come to mind.

If they ice a team with a lot of those types of guys, then a heavy is not needed.

Clowe would be ideal if they deem he is healthy and his demands are not sky high

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Dorsett is more of a Prust/Neil type player than a Sean Avery. Either way, every team needs a guy like him.

Now just imagine if we kept Prust while not signing Pyatt...

Lineup could be

Hagelin Stepan Callahan
Nash Richards Zucc
Prust Brassard Clowe
Asham Boyle Dorsett

Maybe switch Brass God and Richards, but my dear lord... That is sexy
I've never been a fan of Pyatt, but he's been great these playoffs, whereas Prust always used to disappear come playoff time. Not sure if we'd be better off with Pruster in.

As long as we're in fantasy mode. Trade Richards for Dubi and Anisimov.

Hagelin - Stepan - Nash
Kreider - Brass - Zucc
Dubinsky - Anisimov - Callahan
Asham - Boyle - Dorsett


Of course Kekäläinen would have to be drunk to make that trade, but then again he is from Finland and they do like their vodka.

On topic, I really like Dorse, but for me he's the same as Boyle. A guy who should be a fourth line player on this team with the capability to step up and play in the top nine when needed.

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I've never been a fan of Pyatt, but he's been great these playoffs, whereas Prust always used to disappear come playoff time. Not sure if we'd be better off with Pruster in.

As long as we're in fantasy mode. Trade Richards for Dubi and Anisimov.

Hagelin - Stepan - Nash
Kreider - Brass - Zucc
Dubinsky - Anisimov - Callahan
Asham - Boyle - Dorsett


Of course Kekäläinen would have to be drunk to make that trade, but then again he is from Finland and they do like their vodka.

On topic, I really like Dorse, but for me he's the same as Boyle. A guy who should be a fourth line player on this team with the capability to step up and play in the top nine when needed.
Dorsett is a solid 3rd liner in the NHL, relatively easily. If Boyle could get back to his 10-15 goals (which is where he should be), then he is a solid 3rd liner as well.

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Dorsett is a solid 3rd liner in the NHL, relatively easily. If Boyle could get back to his 10-15 goals (which is where he should be), then he is a solid 3rd liner as well.
I think Boyle has shown very little to prove this the last two regular seasons. Maybe on the wing, but I don't like him as our third line center in the regular season. If he's moved up to 3C for the playoffs where his game seems to fit better, I'm all for it.

I see him and Dorsett as serviceable third liners and great fourth liners.


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Dorsett is a solid 3rd liner in the NHL, relatively easily. If Boyle could get back to his 10-15 goals (which is where he should be), then he is a solid 3rd liner as well.
Depends on what your expectations are on the 3rd line. If you want offense out of it, like so many here who have bashed Boyle, than its not the place for Dorsett.

Personally, I think the 3rd line can be a whole host of things, especially if the first 2 lines are scoring.

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I think Boyle has shown very little to prove this the last to regular seasons. Maybe on the wing, but I don't like him as our third line center in the regular season. If he's moved up to 3C for the playoffs where his game seems to fit better, I'm all for it.

I see him and Dorsett as serviceable third liners and great fourth liners.
I think the idea would be to get 7-12 goals from every bottom-6 player to have great depth there.

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Depends on what your expectations are on the 3rd line. If you want offense out of it, like so many here who have bashed Boyle, than its not the place for Dorsett.

Personally, I think the 3rd line can be a whole host of things, especially if the first 2 lines are scoring.
I think, ideally, you would get some grit, PKing and ~7-12 goals from everyone in the bottom-6.

The problem arises when you have your 4th line score 3 goals all season. Good teams have depth and can roll 4 lines. That should be the goal. Especially considering injuries will happen.

MZA-Brassard-Nash
Hagelin-Stepan-Callahan
Kreider/Fasth/Hrivik-Lindberg/Miller-Dorsett
Torres/Nystrom-Boyle-Asham
Haley, Powe

Torres/Nystrom and Boyle can play up a line or (2) if needed. Although I still think that top-6 is small and weak.

Pyatt dealt at the draft for picks/prospects if possible.

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I've never been a fan of Pyatt, but he's been great these playoffs, whereas Prust always used to disappear come playoff time. Not sure if we'd be better off with Pruster in.
Prust's style of antagonizing usuallty led to fights. There's much less of that in the playoffs. This is why Dorsett is so much more effective -- he's a better hockey player.

Pyatt is always a playoff guy. Sleepwalks through the season and then gets motivated. Same the last couple of years in Phoenix.

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