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05-14-2013, 02:33 PM
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Did I just read that Sather gets credit from our posters for the Rangers success?

Torts would have coach this team poorly until he was 100 years old to receive (or earn) the amount of scorn Sather has.

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Did I just read that Sather gets credit from our posters for the Rangers success?

Torts would have coach this team poorly until he was 100 years old to receive (or earn) the amount of scorn Sather has.
Theres plenty of younger fans on here who only know Sather as the Rangers GM, and feel hes done a good job post-lockout. Lack of anything to judge him against is partly a reason why.

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Torts would have coach this team poorly until he was 100 years old to receive (or earn) the amount of scorn Sather has.
Or play Pyatt on powerplay over Kreider twice.

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Sather is pretty much the only GM I have ever known and yet its not difficult to hate him when you see how some other teams build.

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Or play Pyatt on powerplay over Kreider twice.
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Obvs never makes mistakes.
See that's a trick question, there's no such thing as an employee that doesn't make mistakes. Also, in some industries making few mistakes is not necessarily a positive as it means you don't take any risk.

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Torts was just on Michael Kay on espn radio. was a decent interview said some good things i didnt expect.

Was asked about DZ. Said he grew this season and struggled early in the series so he promoted Moore. Said Moore cant handle 2nd unit responsibilities yet so put DZ back up and thought he played well the last 2 games.

Said on a side while talking about DZ that he thinks Moore will be the player we're talkin about from this deal for years to come (thought mcd gomez trade when he said this).

Also on Krieder said he played well in spots and made mistakes in spots. Mentioned media pressure to play him in higher lines he said he cant in these games cause of how tight they are. Said he needs to grow still.

and alot of coach speak. No questions about injuries which i was kinda shocked Don didnt ask.


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Torts was just on Michael Kay on espn radio. was a decent interview said some good things i didnt expect.
Could you give a recap, Blueblood9?

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torts talking to mike francesa. talking about how the caps were whining throughout the series lol. he did say the top guys have to step up now and he feels nash and callahan are going to start to play better. he talked about some key saves henrik made in the first which helped give them momentum. says the boston series is going to be a hell of a series. both teams play straight ahead hockey.

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I just think its bizarre that Sather gets credit and Tortorella gets scorn around here.

One man is far more responsible for the relative success of the past 2 seasons, and it ain't the one currently getting credit.
Sather gets credit for everything Tortorella does anyway. That's the nature of management. Glen hired John.

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See that's a trick question, there's no such thing as an employee that doesn't make mistakes.
So it was a question with only one possible answer?

Here's an exhaustive list, so we're clear:
Employee makes no mistakes
Employee makes few mistakes and learns from them
Employee makes few mistakes and doesn't learn from them
Employee makes many mistakes and learns from them
Employees makes many mistakes and doesn't learn from them (analogous to Sather)


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Torts was just on Michael Kay on espn radio. was a decent interview said some good things i didnt expect.

Was asked about DZ. Said he grew this season and struggled early in the series so he promoted Moore. Said Moore cant handle 2nd unit responsibilities yet so put DZ back up and thought he played well the last 2 games.

Said on a side while talking about DZ that he thinks Moore will be the player we're talkin about from this deal for years to come (thought mcd gomez trade when he said this).

Also on Krieder said he played well in spots and made mistakes in spots. Mentioned media pressure to play him in higher lines he said he cant in these games cause of how tight they are. Said he needs to grow still.

and alot of coach speak. No questions about injuries which i was kinda shocked Don didnt ask.
Much Respect Blueblood9

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It's mindbottling to me.
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The Rangers have had major issues building the offense, they have had to retool far too many times since 2005: Jagr and his buddies, then the Drury and Gomez led offense in 2008-09, Gaborik and the Pack Line with the addition of Richards in 2011, and now we have an offense built around Nash.

That much turnover in the last 8 years indicates a level of short-sightedness, otherwise there would be little need to tear down the offense every other season. Part of the problem has to do with the Rangers inability to draft elite forward talent.
haha def true, we spent the past years drafting d and didn't focus on fwds (yes kreider and miller) but we took staal, mdz, McIrath, Sangs, Skjei... we heavily focused on D.. we have yet to see McIrath to judge and only time will tell, but that prob shouldve been Tarsenko forsure and many fans would agree that was our chance.. we also had Cherepenov die way to young and he was suppose to be a dynamite player.. i think we'll start drafting more fwds.. we're kind of at the point on d where if sauer returns we have a log jam and trades will have to be made, but time will tell..

Slats gets all the credit yes, but i think theres behind the scenes of gorton and clark doing all the work..i think with out them our player development and core wouldnt be like it is..

and torts is arrogant and a pain in the ass but lets be real guys what he did with the 2 major roster rehauls from last summer and mid season no less to even make the playoffs and even advanced to the 2nd rd that took a hell of a lot of good coaching.. he reminds me a lot like coughlin... guy isn't very personable or comes off that way, he is tough as nails, demands a lot from his players.. and gets the most out of them.. giants fans hated him and he's won 2 superbowls.. lets simmer those tempers for torts and let him do his thing..

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Sather gets credit for everything Tortorella does anyway. That's the nature of management. Glen hired John.
I'm not sure. I think it depends on who you talk to and how they perceive things. It's pretty clear that this organization is run in a manner where many people are consulted. It's why it's frustrating when you have Tortorella supporters who act like any player transactions (trades, signings, etc) have nothing to do with the coach because it's the GM who does that. It is very apparent that Tortorella has a huge say in every transaction that is made. He told Sather he needed more depth and wanted that part of the lineup back. He signed off on trading Gaborik for the package that we got. That is a fact. The two are joined at the hip as far as I'm concerned because Glen doesn't do anything without running it by Torts first.

I still don't believe that Tortorella's current system is going to win us a Cup. It's just too "play not to lose" and grueling. I love what he has done with the locker room and the culture of the organization but as far as X's and O's I just don't believe this is what will get it done.

One thing I'll never understand is why a head coach who wins a Stanley Cup playing a certain way completely changes the way his team plays...And then the people who support him will use the fact that he won a Stanley Cup in their argument...Except his team is a complete 180 from how he won a Cup. Just don't get it. You would think winning it by doing it a certain way would mean he'd want to replicate it, not avoid it.

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Torts interview on the Michael Kay Show

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play?id=9275231

Torts with Francesca

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/audio-on...e-francesa-1/#


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I'm not sure. I think it depends on who you talk to and how they perceive things. It's pretty clear that this organization is run in a manner where many people are consulted. It's why it's frustrating when you have Tortorella supporters who act like any player transactions (trades, signings, etc) have nothing to do with the coach because it's the GM who does that. It is very apparent that Tortorella has a huge say in every transaction that is made. He told Sather he needed more depth and wanted that part of the lineup back. He signed off on trading Gaborik for the package that we got. That is a fact. The two are joined at the hip as far as I'm concerned because Glen doesn't do anything without running it by Torts first..
If that's Sather's style (which I agree with) and the Rangers are successful with Tortorella as the coach within that management style, then Sather still deserves credit. Again, that's what some management style's are about. It's about surrounding yourself with the right people to give you the right input and to get the job done, not about doing the work yourself. I think we're all aware that Sather is managing this team with a high level of input from the guys he's brought in, whether it be Clarke, Gorton or Tortorella. Sather gets the credit for their success.

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Does that include trading a fading 30-year-old one-dimensional scoring forward for a dynamic 25-year-old playmaking center whose potential is still not fulfilled, a 22-year-old defenseman with top 4 potential, as well as a 26-year 3rd line forward who adds grittiness to the bottom six? I'm not sure there is this "complete inability to see beyond the current season", as you call it.
Obviously doesn't. I think he means the actual FA signings and he's exaggerating slightly. Shoe horning Gomer and Droopy into rols they weren't fit for. Signing Redden (nuff said) these moves DO reek of a complete failure to evaluate and plan. Signing Gabs was a completely diff beast. We signed him for a role he was suited to and for terms and money that made sense and wasn't an overpayment or reach based on what he had actually done in the league. He went on to continue to have 40 g 80 pt seasons as he had before.

Brashear, Kotalik and how many others were baaaad signings but get overlooked b/c they weren't big splashes?

The trades obviously do show a smart reasonable lemons to lemonade strategy. take a big name before it completely blows and trade it for youth which can help for the future. The trades have slightly confused people's opinions of Sather b/c he's actually come out ahead consistently after some pretty serious blunders. The Richards blunder , however, I don't even know if we can blame him too much for. It's hypocritical for most to do so since most agreed with it. I hated the terms but understood the move and thought he'd help for a 3-4 year window. So I can't criticize the big Brich signing either

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If that's Sather's style (which I agree with) and the Rangers are successful with Tortorella as the coach within that management style, then Sather still deserves credit. Again, that's what some management style's are about. It's about surrounding yourself with the right people to give you the right input and to get the job done, not about doing the work yourself. I think we're all aware that Sather is managing this team with a high level of input from the guys he's brought in, whether it be Clarke, Gorton or Tortorella. Sather gets the credit for their success.
Oh I agree. I think it's pretty obvious that most well run operations come from management being willing to empower people in certain roles and use their ideas to make them successful as a whole. The problem is that when you're trying to discuss it with people who have an opinion on something (like whether or not the coach is at fault or should be praised, or whether or not the GM is at fault or should be praised) they choose to ignore that part of it. Those people will always defend the coach by saying that the GM gave him the players, even if the coach is the one who told him to make the move. And they'll always defend the GM if they think it's the coach's fault for not getting enough out of the roster.

It is what it is. I really love the mentality that Tortorella has brought to this organization. His no nonsense approach. No excuses. The way he's changed the culture and the locker room. I just don't believe that his X's and O's are good enough. I can't stand his hard headed approach and refusal to adapt or make adjustments. It drives me crazy. I wish he would do that because what he's been able to do with this franchise while being awful behind the bench during games (just my opinion) is amazing. If he could do both there's no doubt we'd be at the top of the conference multiple years.

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There is, from time to time, external grumbling about the coach when the Rangers struggle. The grumbling does not come from the GM’s office.

“He’s such a competitive guy, but at the same time, he’s a tremendously confident guy and a calming influence on the team,” Sather said. “He gets his back up really quickly, too early sometimes, but he just wants to win so badly.

“That’s what you want. That’s what you need.”

That’s what Sather of the Rangers has.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...ontent=Rangers

Sather didn't discuss his health. He discussed some of the new players.

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Under Tortorella, the Rangers not only remained steady as they overcame 2-0 and 3-2 first-round deficits, they improved as the series evolved. But oh, those power-play personnel decisions!

Claude Julien is unflappable and unafraid to make tough decisions when required. Coach doesn’t get in the way of a veteran group.
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Can't help but smirk when I read this Torts quote:

“We’ve got everybody and their brother whining up there in Washington about what happened in that series, and I think that’s a big reason why they lose that series. So I just think our mindset is very good, as far as not letting anything bothers us, just getting ready to play each day: Play the game, practice the next day and just go about our business.”

I think Oates did a good job with Washington on the ice but their culture seems a little off. Lots of gloating when they win, lots of whining when they lose. Say what you will about Torts, but this team seems to have its collective head on right.

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Can't help but smirk when I read this Torts quote:

“We’ve got everybody and their brother whining up there in Washington about what happened in that series, and I think that’s a big reason why they lose that series. So I just think our mindset is very good, as far as not letting anything bothers us, just getting ready to play each day: Play the game, practice the next day and just go about our business.”

I think Oates did a good job with Washington on the ice but their culture seems a little off. Lots of gloating when they win, lots of whining when they lose. Say what you will about Torts, but this team seems to have its collective head on right.
That was a criticism I had of the Capitals earlier. I'm no psychologist, nor am I in the Capitals locker room, but I really think they got so worked up over their supposed ill treatment during Game 6 that they psyched themselves out of Game 7.

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That was a criticism I had of the Capitals earlier. I'm no psychologist, nor am I in the Capitals locker room, but I really think they got so worked up over their supposed ill treatment during Game 6 that they psyched themselves out of Game 7.
This is why I was glad Game 7 was immediately after Game 6. Silly Caps.

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Can't help but smirk when I read this Torts quote:

“We’ve got everybody and their brother whining up there in Washington about what happened in that series, and I think that’s a big reason why they lose that series. So I just think our mindset is very good, as far as not letting anything bothers us, just getting ready to play each day: Play the game, practice the next day and just go about our business.”

I think Oates did a good job with Washington on the ice but their culture seems a little off. Lots of gloating when they win, lots of whining when they lose. Say what you will about Torts, but this team seems to have its collective head on right.
That much I'll give him definite due credit for. They were a bit mangled early this season, as compared to last season, but the culture he's infused is overall really good. I'd still like to see the strong side F up high in our own end, a better transition/offensive structure, and a PP that wouldn't suck in the ECHL. But I think he definitely has built an excellent collective team mindset.

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