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What gives us the best chance next year in net?

View Poll Results: Which goaltender option is best?
Pavelec and Montoya 19 27.14%
Pavelec and Emery/Scrivens 34 48.57%
2 of Emery/Scrivens/Bernier/Someone else 17 24.29%
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05-14-2013, 03:25 PM
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What gives us the best chance next year in net?

Edit: The option C) should be a reasonable guy like Scrivens or Emery: someone who could be gotten on the cheap and and not a star like Lundqust or Quick. lulz.

So next season we have Pavelec and Montoya likely in net. But if you were made GM for the year and could make the appropriate moves to get us the following, which would you prefer?

A) Status quo, Pavelec and Montoya
B) Pavelec, with either Scrivens or Emery as a tandem
c) 2 of either Scrivens/Emery/Bernier/*Insert goaltender here*


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05-14-2013, 03:31 PM
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I say Pavelec and Montoya.

Pavelecs Pavelec. Will be a regular fixture in the Hightlight of the Night reels, but he needs to be more consistent. Not asking for shutouts or 1 goal games, but he needs to stop having those 4+ GAA games.

Montoya I think could've made a solid contribution if not for the shortened season. And the guy has got to stop getting injured too lol.

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05-14-2013, 03:34 PM
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I say Pavelec and Montoya.

Pavelecs Pavelec. Will be a regular fixture in the Hightlight of the Night reels, but he needs to be more consistent. Not asking for shutouts or 1 goal games, but he needs to stop having those 4+ GAA games.

Montoya I think could've made a solid contribution if not for the shortened season. And the guy has got to stop getting injured too lol.
Why aren't you asking for shutouts or one goal games. Those games are generally wins.

I want wins.

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Why aren't you asking for shutouts or one goal games. Those games are generally wins.

I want wins.
especially considering how few of those pavelec had, that's exactly what i'm asking for.

My answer to the Poll "2 of someone else" not only because of the obvious wholes in the logic of not narrowing the choice of "somone else" down to something obviously reasonable, but because even using the names listed i would feel most confident with a tandem of Bernier and Pavelec.


But since it just said "someone else" i believe the tandem of Bernier and Henrik Lundqvist gives Winnipeg the best situation in net going forward.


And since the poll doesn't state anything about justifying how we've acquired Henrik Lundqvist, i'll just leave it at that.

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I would like to see how Pavelec does when he is challenged for the #1 spot. He has never been challenged in his tenure with the Thrashers/Jets organization. Maybe he will become a better goalie if he has someone behind him that is capable of taking his spot away. We all know how much Pavelec loves to play, so having a backup that is more than a backup might drive him to be that much better.

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Why aren't you asking for shutouts or one goal games. Those games are generally wins.

I want wins.
Because having a realist mentality, it's not something I can see Pavelec doing regularly. Watched him in his nations jersey against Canada and that wrap around from Skinner...

I still think he has the potential, but I would like to see a more consistent game from him first than worry about padding stats.

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Because having a realist mentality, it's not something I can see Pavelec doing regularly. Watched him in his nations jersey against Canada and that wrap around from Skinner...

I still think he has the potential, but I would like to see a more consistent game from him first than worry about padding stats.
If Pavs can't deliver us shut outs and 1 goal games here and there he isn't our guy.

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Shouldn't option 2 just be Pavelec and someone else? The poll is skewed so that if we are keeping Pavs, our only other option is Montoya, Emery or Scrivens.

A) Pavs and Montoya
B) Pavs and someone else
C) Two new goalies

I'll go with B for the above, but not in the poll because I think there could be better options than Emery and Scrivens.

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Just bring in Luongo already

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Because having a realist mentality, it's not something I can see Pavelec doing regularly. Watched him in his nations jersey against Canada and that wrap around from Skinner...

I still think he has the potential, but I would like to see a more consistent game from him first than worry about padding stats.
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If Pavs can't deliver us shut outs and 1 goal games here and there he isn't our guy.
I haven't run the numbers for the rest of the league, but i'm close to agreeing with Res here.

The jets held their opponents to one goal or less only 9 times this season, 2 of those games being Al Montoya.

Pavelec had 7 one goal games, only 2 of which came against teams that finished above us in the standings.

Furthermore, the Jets won every single game in which pavelec (or montoya) only allowed two goals or less (barring one so loss to boston).

Now i haven't checked the numbers against the competition, but that means to maintain a dcent GAA (which i know isn't as good a teller as sv%, but still) pavelec could only have allowed 10 or so games with more then 2 goals against in them.


Again, i haven't looked at the competition, but that doesn't sound exactly "awe inspiring" to me. It actually seemed like pavelec "kept us in" games until halfway through the second period alot, but then would collapse.

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If Pavs can't deliver us shut outs and 1 goal games here and there he isn't our guy.
Well, looking at his overall stats since he started in the NHL, not sure how anyone can come to the conclusion he can regularly deliver us those kind of games. 10 shutouts and a GAA of 2.95.

I would love to see him go on a rampage with a GAA lower than 2 and SV% above .920, but I just want him to stop letting in those soft goals on a regular basis first.

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Not voting, but only because I would have chosen "Pavelec and someone else". I think someone needs to push Pavs to move to the next level, and as much as I like Montoya, I don't think he can.

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Pavelec + Bernier should be an option.

I'd give the Kings Burmistrov for Bernier

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If Pavs can't deliver us shut outs and 1 goal games here and there he isn't our guy.
If you expect that all the time you are seriously being unrealistic

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Not voting, but only because I would have chosen "Pavelec and someone else". I think someone needs to push Pavs to move to the next level, and as much as I like Montoya, I don't think he can.
This.

I absolutely want a goalie who can legitimately challenge and potentially overtake Pavelec. Scrivens and Emery would not be my first two choices. Is Scrivens even on the market?

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If you expect that all the time you are seriously being unrealistic
Note that he said here and there.

And it's no more unrealistic than expecting a first or second line forward to deliver a multi-point game here and there.

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Well, looking at his overall stats since he started in the NHL, not sure how anyone can come to the conclusion he can regularly deliver us those kind of games. 10 shutouts and a GAA of 2.95.

I would love to see him go on a rampage with a GAA lower than 2 and SV% above .920, but I just want him to stop letting in those soft goals on a regular basis first.
I don't really care about GAA as save % goes up, GAA goes down.

GAA is quite literally sv% multiplied by shots against.

.920 sv% vs 26 shots per game = 2.08 GAA
.920 sv% vs 32 shots per game = 2.56 GAA

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This.

I absolutely want a goalie who can legitimately challenge and potentially overtake Pavelec. Scrivens and Emery would not be my first two choices. Is Scrivens even on the market?



Note that he said here and there.

And it's no more unrealistic than expecting a first or second line forward to deliver a multi-point game here and there.
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I don't really care about GAA as save % goes up, GAA goes down.

GAA is quite literally sv% multiplied by shots against.

.920 sv% vs 26 shots per game = 2.08 GAA
.920 sv% vs 32 shots per game = 2.56 GAA
Totally agree with you hank and it should be noted, that expecting pav's to post more 1 goal/shutout games is not being unrealistic at all.

I jsut went through the list of all eastern conference playoff teams. Washington and winnipeg were the only teams to have only 9 1 goal against, or shutout games. If i'm not mistaken, the islanders were the next lowest with 14.


9-14 is a pretty significant difference.

Again, i agree that gaa isn't that important of a stat, but i mostly wanted to through this up for those that at sometime (less frequent now, thankfully) argue our forwards can't help Pavelec in close games.

In actuallity, it would appear that more often then not it's the otherwise around.

edit as i forgot: the jets also did not lose a single game in which they allowed 2 or less goals against.

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Not voting, but only because I would have chosen "Pavelec and someone else". I think someone needs to push Pavs to move to the next level, and as much as I like Montoya, I don't think he can.
Count me in this group.

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edit as i forgot: the jets also did not lose a single game in which they allowed 2 or less goals against.
That is a scary stat, certainly singling out a problem that I'm sadly not confident will be adressed in the off season.

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I voted for "Pavelec and someone else", mostly because I'm a realist.

There's no trade market for goalies at all, especially one with a lousy contract. True North won't spend real money on a buyout, so he will be here next year.

We unquestionably need a backup to push him if this is the case.

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I imagine the lack of Hainsey's ass will do wonders for our .GAA

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What gives us the best chance...
Probably some combo of Lundqvist, Rinne, Tim Thomas (minus the craziness), Rask, Miller (minus the a-holeness), Luongo, etc....

Having two of those guys would probably give the best chance

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Pavs was better as the season went on, I'll spare you the math, its in the other thread. From February 19th onwards...he posted a .923 sv%.

That includes the two games vs. Washington, but minus the early flops against florida and Tampa...I chalked those up to the slow start. With the implication that Pavs is as good as he was Feb 19th and onwards at the beginning of the season, he will have much better numbers.

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Pavs was better as the season went on, I'll spare you the math, its in the other thread. From February 19th onwards...he posted a .923 sv%.

That includes the two games vs. Washington, but minus the early flops against florida and Tampa...I chalked those up to the slow start. With the implication that Pavs is as good as he was Feb 19th and onwards at the beginning of the season, he will have much better numbers.
You messed up something in your math.

From Feb 19 through the end of the season Pav posted a 0.909957627 SV%

Round that up to .910 and that is better than his season total, but still below average.

At this point I'd take a .910 over what we've had the last two years though.

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Pavelec + Bernier should be an option.

I'd give the Kings Burmistrov for Bernier
Pavs would soon be the backup, but do you really think the King's would give up a promising goalie for a long-shot forward who may or may not even be in the NHL in a couple of years.

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