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09-28-2006, 12:30 PM
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He is a very good 4th line center and he is very valuable...as a 4th line center but he should not be playing on the PP. I think a lot of the hate comes from the way AM played him. AM would play him on the PP and when he didn't get the job done everyone would blame him when he shouldn't even have been on the PP in the first place.

Exactly. If he is on a line other than the 4th he is being misused. He has the hands and feet of a 4th liner especially in the new NHL where speed kills.

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09-28-2006, 12:41 PM
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I think the hate for players, coaches and management have been pretty well spread out.

Army is a product of Andy Murray, that is why the hate remains. His goals are junk goals (off a foot etc), he turns the puck over, is a bit on the soft side and his defense isnt nothing to right home about.

For some reason the same play runs over and over my head with Armstrong......He skates the puck up the boards, gets hit, loses puck.......for some reason to me, this is text book Army.

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09-28-2006, 02:42 PM
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i'm not understanding all the Armstrong hate around here and the other site.
Because it's easier for a great majority of armchair GMs to just make biased judgment calls with no facts. While some posters actually come up with logical reasons why Armstrong doesn't work for the team (age, foot speed, etc), you have many others who just love to froth at the mouth and spit out stupidity like a rabid dog waiting to be put down.

Personally though, I try to give him credit where and when it's due by recognizing that he does have some skill and that he does have some relative value. But I do acknowledge (after butting heads with Osprey many threads ago) that there are always going to be younger, faster, and more talented options out there. And if there is such an opportunity the team should go for it.

Saying that though, I can't agree with ripping into a guy's character by calling him a cancer or making comments about how he has no business being in the NHL. A cancer is some pretty serious accusation to level against a player, and I bet if you talked to anyone on the Kings they'd probably tell you it's a bunch of crock, in regards to Armstrong.

That's just my take.

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09-28-2006, 02:53 PM
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by the way deviate, if you're referring to the Thornton pass which saw Scott blow an empty netter... that was Anze Kopitar who made the pass.
no it wasnt it was kopitar to armstrong to thornton

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09-28-2006, 02:54 PM
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Army is a 4th liner who is a very good fill in guy on higher lines. If he is actually used in this role he'll be fine

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09-28-2006, 04:11 PM
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I hate Armstrong when he is on the PP is what I'm trying to say. When he is on the bench next to the backup goalie I love him.

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09-28-2006, 04:56 PM
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Army is a 4th liner who is a very good fill in guy on higher lines. If he is actually used in this role he'll be fine
I think I will agree with this. I do not mind seeing him on the top 2 lines or on the PP as long as its just occasionally.

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09-28-2006, 05:32 PM
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Yeah, Armstrong and Belanger are trying to tank the season and screw the rookies.



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Did i say they are trying to tank the season or are not passing the puck to the rookies intentionally to not let them shine? Your 55 years old you should learn how to read more carefully.

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09-28-2006, 05:34 PM
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I hate Armstrong when he is on the PP is what I'm trying to say. When he is on the bench next to the backup goalie I love him.
I totally agree with this. He has no business on the PP and hopefully this left with AM

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09-28-2006, 05:35 PM
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I totally agree with this. He has no business on the PP and hopefully this left with AM
And I agree with you

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09-28-2006, 05:39 PM
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I totally agree with this. He has no business on the PP and hopefully this left with AM

the assist he had on the Cammelleri goal on Monday was on the power play...

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09-28-2006, 06:47 PM
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the assist he had on the Cammelleri goal on Monday was on the power play...
That doesn't mean that he belongs there. You could put Parros on the PP and he'd probably have as many PP assists (6) as Armstrong had last year.

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09-28-2006, 06:51 PM
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That doesn't mean that he belongs there. You could put Parros on the PP and he'd probably have as many PP assists (6) as Armstrong had last year.
it was more of an indicator that that crazy idea didn't quite leave with Andy Murray... that said, Norstrom has also seen some power play time this pre-season. let's just hope this has been Crow's way of doling out ample minutes to everyone during the firedrill.

for the record, i don't hate Armstrong... i just don't like him.

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09-28-2006, 09:58 PM
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09-28-2006, 10:06 PM
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09-28-2006, 10:40 PM
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for the record, i don't hate Armstrong... i just don't like him.
For the record, Armstrong should just become an assistant coach in Manchester...

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09-28-2006, 10:43 PM
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For the record, Armstrong should just become an assistant coach in Manchester...
We're talkin off the record here...so cut the ********, PSP....

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09-29-2006, 12:47 AM
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Mark my words, it'll be Armstrong who scores the clinching goal for the Kings to advance to the playoffs.

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09-29-2006, 12:50 AM
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It's pretty easy actually.

He has NHL calibre hockey sense and work ethic, but AHL calibre hands, skating and defensive aptitude (c'mon - what other Kings' center is so poor defensively that he would have to shift to the wing in the defensive zone and force the team to make Mike freakin' Cammalleri take his spot at the pivot. I'm not talkin' bout the draws either, this was a regularity on the fly).

This equals journeyman, and there is no way in hell that Dave Taylor should have given him a multi-year deal.

Tom Kostopolous makes more impact on a game than Armstrong, but it takes an educated eye to see it. The next time you're at Staples (TV doesn't really do it justice), watch how Kostopolous reads the plays on the defensive side of the puck. You'll see how he takes quick, decisive actions that disrupt breakouts and cause turnovers in the neutral zone. You'll see the angles he takes on the forecheck that support his teammates, unlike a headhunter like Dustin Brown. Watch the counter-pinches at the blueline and just often he pokes the puck out of the zone. No other King forward does this better. He's a consummate role player.

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09-29-2006, 12:51 AM
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Mark my words, it'll be Armstrong who scores the clinching goal for the Kings to advance to the playoffs.

the sun even shined on Gary Shuchuk's a** once!

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09-29-2006, 12:51 AM
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My general dislike for Army will not so much depend on him directly as it will LA brass if they choose to keep him in LA and have either of the kids (AK and PO) down in Manchester. I'm a big proponent of letting the kids play though, so it all depends on your point of view.

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09-29-2006, 12:55 AM
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It's pretty easy actually.

He has NHL calibre hockey sense and work ethic, but AHL calibre hands, skating and defensive aptitude (c'mon - what other Kings' center is so poor defensively that he would have to shift to the wing in the defensive zone and force the team to make Mike freakin' Cammalleri take his spot at the pivot. I'm not talkin' bout the draws either, this was a regularity on the fly).
I agree that his skating and defense don't cut it...but his offense is better than you give him credit for, IMO. That does tie in with the hockey sense you're talking about, however. That's what makes him an effective fill-in in the top-six but not an effective regular.

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