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Are the Blues the Chicago Cubs of hockey?

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05-13-2013, 10:14 PM
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Nothing would make me happier than the Blues going another 50 or so years without a cup.
what do you have against an entire franchise? players and management changes so quickly is seems sorta odd.

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05-13-2013, 10:32 PM
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The Maple Leafs are without a doubt the Cubs of hockey. What a collapse in the third

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05-13-2013, 10:55 PM
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what do you have against an entire franchise? players and management changes so quickly is seems sorta odd.
Yeah, someone has a lot of anger against them. Seems odd indeed.

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05-13-2013, 10:58 PM
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If only they played the last game of this year with the kind of effort and passion they in the first game of the season.

Yes, the irony is not lost on me.

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05-14-2013, 02:55 PM
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"To be a Blues fan, to stay a Blues fan to live and die as a Blues fan you must be mentally strong, incredibly stubborn and conveniently numb on preferred medication."
This.

There is another MLB that has never won a thing : the Expansion 1969 Seattle Pilots, that became the Milwaukee Brewers in 1970 that became a National League and current divisional opponent in 1997 the Cardinals love to bash, sweeping a 4 game series in Milwaukee a week ago.

So, The Blues are the Milwaukee Brewers of the NHL.

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05-14-2013, 04:59 PM
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Without a doubt, the Maple Leafs are the Cubs of the NHL.

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05-14-2013, 05:01 PM
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Without a doubt, the Maple Leafs are the Cubs of the NHL.
Not even close.

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05-14-2013, 05:04 PM
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There is no team in any sport comparable to the Chicago Cubs. I've been pulling for them to win for years even as a Yankees fan.

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05-14-2013, 08:53 PM
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Not even close.
Who would you nominate?

Not one President's trophy since the days of the Original 6.

Not one Finals appearance since the days of the Original 6.

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05-14-2013, 09:29 PM
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The Cubs haven't won a championship in 105 years.

No team is that bad. The Leafs still have fans that were alive to see their last Cup.

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05-14-2013, 09:32 PM
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The Cubs haven't won a championship in 105 years.

No team is that bad. The Leafs still have fans that were alive to see their last Cup.
Cubs didn't play in a league against 6 teams either.

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05-14-2013, 09:40 PM
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Cubs didn't play in a league against 6 teams either.
Maybe, but nobody seems to downplay all the Cups Montreal won during that era. The Leafs Cup is legit as any.

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05-14-2013, 09:43 PM
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There is no team in any sport comparable to the Chicago Cubs. I've been pulling for them to win for years even as a Yankees fan.
Brutal.

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05-14-2013, 09:48 PM
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I always thought the Cubs' hockey parallel was the Leafs in terms of fanbase size and intensity and championships.
Leafs are by far the best comparison to the Cubs. Championships from long, long ago that most weren't alive for. Mostly inept in recent history. Huge blowup losses. Pretty similar. Good news for Leaf fans is that they seem to have some younger players that will help them become better in the future.

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05-14-2013, 11:07 PM
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Cubs didn't play in a league against 6 teams either.
So why were the Leafs tied for the most cups in that era with Montreal?

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05-15-2013, 12:28 AM
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Canucks are....two more years and it'll be the century mark!
Huh? A century is 100 years bud. The Canucks have only been around for 43 years.

The Millionaires were a different team entirely, and they actually won.

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05-15-2013, 01:46 AM
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So why were the Leafs tied for the most cups in that era with Montreal?
Because Montreal had the pick of all players from Quebec during that time and Toronto had the pick of most players in Ontario. The deck was stacked against the other 4. Kind of how the American league east has been for the last decade.

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05-15-2013, 02:20 AM
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So funny that I would stumble upon this thread, since some co-workers and I were just having this discussion the other day. I think that there is no NHL comparison for the futility of the Chicago Cubs - there can't be (honestly, I wouldn't wish that kind of misery on anyone). I think the Blues/Cubs comparison gets brought up mostly due to the close geographical proximity of the two teams - many Blues fans, like myself, are from Illinois and are very familiar with the Cubs (my sister is a huge fan) and try to draw similarities.

For the record, I feel that losing in the playoffs is MUCH worse than missing the playoffs altogether. As such, I think it's too hard to compare our playoff struggles with ANY baseball team for that matter, based on the fact that so few teams make the MLB playoffs each year, as compared to the NHL. Yes, you could argue that we had some mediocre teams make the playoffs, but we still MADE the playoffs and once you get there anything can happen. You can't simply compare us to the Rangers/Astros/Brewers because they haven't won Championships either - have they had the same crushing playoff defeats that we've endured? Maybe if you combine all three you'd be close.

If you look back over the past few decades, I think the closest comparison would be to the city of Cleveland. Not one team, ALL three of them (Cavs, Indians, Browns). But to be more specific, the Cavs of the late 80's and early 90's vividly remind me of the Blues during the 90's - stuck in a division with perennial Championship contenders (Bulls/Red Wings, Pistons/Blackhawks). Since 1980, and the beginning of their 25-year playoff streak, the Blues record in playoff series is 17-28. In that same time frame, the combined playoff record of the three Cleveland teams is 21-31. The main difference is that Cleveland's demoralizing playoff defeats all happened in the final moments ("The Drive", Jordan over Ehlo, Byner's fumble, Renteria's bloop single), while with the exception of the Yzerman OT goal, the Blues' losses were of the anguishing "slow burn" variety where we had to watch helplessly as our team couldn't respond to a crushing goal (Nolan from center-ice, Penner with 0.2 left in the 2nd).

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05-15-2013, 07:02 AM
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No, if any team in nhl is the cubs,.it is the leafs

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05-15-2013, 01:23 PM
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Because Montreal had the pick of all players from Quebec during that time and Toronto had the pick of most players in Ontario. The deck was stacked against the other 4. Kind of how the American league east has been for the last decade.
Bit of a tangent here but the draft thing is simply not true.

While technically the Habs had a rule protecting them for the draft... the reality is that the draft was meaningless. By the time the draft came around all the best players had been signed to C-Forms.

As an example Bobby Orr was signed by the time he was a teen. So the draft didn't matter because you couldn't draft him. (Notice that he's Canadian and wound up in Boston.)

Reality is that the Montreal Canadiens only got two NHL players out of it. Marc Tardiff (who the hell is that?) and Rejean Houle. Houle is interesting because he went to the WHA and then came back. And then he went on to become the worst GM Montreal ever had. So if anything that rule hurt Montreal more than it ever helped. There's your history lesson for the day.

Also, the Leafs are the NHL's equivalent to the Cubs. I don't see how anyone could dispute this.

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05-15-2013, 05:58 PM
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i don't think we're the cubs of hockey. however i'm tired of being consistantly "almost good enough" for so many years. Show promise and then look like a minor team when the pressure gets to us....thats Blues hockey

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05-15-2013, 08:08 PM
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No, the Blues aren't the Cubs of hockey. But it is much harder to be a Blues fan than a Cardinals fan. People in St. Louis are pretty familiar with the Cubs futility over the past several decades. So, as Blues fans, with our frustration and dissapointment over the years, start to imagine that we are feeling something close to what a Cubs fan feels. But I have family in Chicago. I know Cubs fans. Us Blues fans don't have any idea of the resignation and futility that many Cubs fans feel. They love their team, don't get me wrong. But the difference is, when things go well, Blues fans hope, and Cubs fans wait.

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05-15-2013, 08:11 PM
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I thought the Leafs were the "Chicago Cubs of hockey".
I thought the Leafs were the Red Sox. Being a Red Sox fan, I think both teams are very similar.

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05-16-2013, 12:11 AM
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I thought the Leafs were the Red Sox. Being a Red Sox fan, I think both teams are very similar.
Red Sox were similar until they started winning championships. Bruins are a better comparison to the Sox now.

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