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05-15-2013, 03:34 PM
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No, Streit won't cost more than Green. Streit would be the 2RD in that scenario, with Carlson moving to 1RD. The theory is, you fill a major hole by trading Green, and fill the hole opened by trading Green without giving up any assets.

Just spit-balling here: Let's say Vancouver wants more balance to their defense, by adding someone to the right side. Trade Green for Edler, and sign Streit.

That leaves your top-4 as:

Alzner-Carlson
Edler-Streit

You've traded a 25 minute+ defenseman for a 25 minute+ defenseman and improved the defense overall.
i wouldnt jump to that conclusion. but its arguable. carlson is really good two way defenseman and he may grow into a quality pp qb, but it he isnt close to the offensive breakout/rush starter that green is. streit is 5-11. i'll just leave it at that.

unless you think green cant remain healthy, green is the one player of the young guns that i keep. he is the hardest to replace while the position edler fills is far easier.

bah...i still say all those young guns need to go and start over with untainted top end players. that aint gonna happen. trading green aint gonna happen anyway, but why spitball as thats all we have.

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05-15-2013, 03:55 PM
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How is the position Edler fills far easier?

He's a 40+ point, 25+ minute defenseman.

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I guess compared to Green he's easier to replace. If Green plays a full season (which would be somewhat surprising), he's has the potential to put up Karlsson numbers.

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How about a deal involving Johansson and Nick Leddy? Both are RFA's-to-be, Hawks are looking for a 2C, we need a 2LD. Laich and Erat can play LW in the top-6, hawks have Keith, Seabrook, Oduya and Hjalmarsson for their top-4.

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05-15-2013, 04:27 PM
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The Hawks aren't trading Nick Leddy. And they've got better options at 2C than Mojo.

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After cooling off for a few day I'm alright with this team.

I like the way we played except game 7. Upgrade at d and we're good to go next season. How long did Detroit fans have to suffer before they finally broke through?

Don't care that we lost, at least we don't play crap hockey like the rangers collapse the net strategy. I refuse to watch that crap even if it wins in todays NHL.

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05-15-2013, 06:25 PM
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After cooling off for a few day I'm alright with this team.

I like the way we played except game 7. Upgrade at d and we're good to go next season. How long did Detroit fans have to suffer before they finally broke through?

Don't care that we lost, at least we don't play crap hockey like the rangers collapse the net strategy. I refuse to watch that crap even if it wins in todays NHL.
I can't wait for that **** Lundqvist to retire lol. Sure I respect him, but I hate at the same time. Looking forward to seeing the Rangers be crap for a while.

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05-15-2013, 06:58 PM
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I can't wait for that **** Lundqvist to retire lol. Sure I respect him, but I hate at the same time. Looking forward to seeing the Rangers be crap for a while.
Hard for me to hate him, he is a class act guy and plays with heart. He is the only Ranger I like other than McD.

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05-15-2013, 07:09 PM
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How is the position Edler fills far easier?

He's a 40+ point, 25+ minute defenseman.
i didnt have edler pegged properly. my take is that edler is in the carlson class. so....i wouldnt give up the unique elite player, green, but i can see your pov.

i personally think the caps offense throttles back without green. i'd rather keep him.

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05-15-2013, 07:52 PM
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The fact that Brouwer is the only player who has won a Cup is a huge problem and part of the reason we never go anywhere in the playoffs.

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05-15-2013, 08:11 PM
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OK. Another suggestion. How about that?

Erat-Johansson-Ovechkin
Laich-Backstrom-Brouwer
Fehr-Perreault-Ward
Others

And you can count on Kuznetsov being here around playoffs start if Erat/MJ wouldn't work.

Thinking about it, it's hard to see long term value of Ribeiro.

MJ - he has it, potential at least. Should be given a try at C, as it was stated by other posters.

Backstrom could be carried by leaders of men. Johansson has to learn at C from Oates. And has to be better.

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The fact that Brouwer is the only player who has won a Cup is a huge problem and part of the reason we never go anywhere in the playoffs.
no, it isnt.

the 98 squad, with simon, bellows, tik, ranford, and maybe oates, had 5 or 6 appearances and 4 or 5 cup wins among them. that netted zero.

brouwer being the only guy on the roster with a cup win, in terms of importance, ranks just above them not using stick tape made by the same company that gretzky did.

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05-15-2013, 08:16 PM
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OK. Another suggestion. How about that?

Erat-Johansson-Ovechkin
Laich-Backstrom-Brouwer
Fehr-Perreault-Ward
Others

And you can count on Kuznetsov being here around playoffs start if Erat/MJ wouldn't work.

Thinking about it, it's hard to see long term value of Ribeiro.

MJ - he has it, potential at least. Should be given a try at C, as it was stated by other posters.

Backstrom could be carried by leaders of men. Johansson has to learn at C from Oates. And has to be better.
I'd swap MJ and Backstrom, assuming Backstrom has his **** together. I'd rather have two capable people helping MJ, whereas Backstrom in theory shouldn't need to be sheltered at all - and he and Erat just might be strong enough defensively to help keep that line out of the defensive zone.

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05-15-2013, 08:25 PM
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The fact that Brouwer is the only player who has won a Cup is a huge problem and part of the reason we never go anywhere in the playoffs.
Yeah, but Brouwer was such an important factor in Chicago's win, and always shows up in the playoffs, so I think it's enough.

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05-15-2013, 09:22 PM
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The fact that Brouwer is the only player who has won a Cup is a huge problem and part of the reason we never go anywhere in the playoffs.
I agree....they need more guys who have been through the wars and won a Cup.

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05-15-2013, 09:37 PM
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ive said this for a long time. more cup winners were needed. facts are there are few of those players and very few that can be available at any given time. scuderi would be a great fit for the caps needs. its going to take an overpayment and likely a bad contract to get him.

would you rather have scuderi or ribeiro?

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would you rather have scuderi or ribeiro?
It's an easy question. We have centers, we don't have proper LD with 2 rings.

And both Scuderi/Ribeiro contracts would be bad probably.

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05-15-2013, 09:48 PM
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Trade Neuvirth and Hillen for Klesla, sign Giggy/Khudobin/Greiss/Garon as backup.

Sign Lydman

Trade Brouwer while his value is high and his contract is high. Say, Brouwer for Kulemin one for one.

Sign Horton/Ryder

Trade Laich for whatever.

Schultz to the scrap heap.

Sign Gordon

Sign Torres

Erat Backstrom Horton/Ryder
Kulemin Johansson Ovechkin
Chimera Perreault Ward
Torres Gordon Wilson/Beagle
Beagle/Wilson (Latta)

Alzner Green
Lydman Carlson
Klesla Orlov
Erskine Olesky
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Holtby
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At the deadline upgrade Johansson to a veteran 2C unless he really really impresses.

Next offseason trade Green if his value is super high with Orlov taking over.

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05-15-2013, 09:52 PM
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McPhee already said he liked on ice product

Your suggested chain of trades/signings is unrealistic. Sorry!

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05-15-2013, 10:11 PM
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ive said this for a long time. more cup winners were needed. facts are there are few of those players and very few that can be available at any given time. scuderi would be a great fit for the caps needs. its going to take an overpayment and likely a bad contract to get him.

would you rather have scuderi or ribeiro?
We should ask Doug Wilson how effective this strategy is.

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05-15-2013, 10:29 PM
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UFA player usage chart from the tweeter:



Bring Back Boyd

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Ovechkin and Backstrom need experienced winners like Feds to instill in them the right mentality.

Lord knows it's not coming from management. McPhee added vets like Fedorov and Arnott with the attitude that leadership was an added bonus and pleasant surprise.

It's not getting fixed until the culture of complacency is removed.

Until that happens, enjoy mediocrity.

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05-16-2013, 06:06 AM
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OK. Another suggestion. How about that?

Erat-Johansson-Ovechkin
Laich-Backstrom-Brouwer
Fehr-Perreault-Ward
Others
This is nothing more than lipstick on a pig, or reorganizing the pieces of a puzzle that doesn't have all its pieces. At the end of the day, it's the same thing that still doesn't look good, and it's something which can't win without much more added.

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05-16-2013, 06:54 AM
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We should ask Doug Wilson how effective this strategy is.
the good thing about short replies is often it makes no sense at all at least to me in this situation. what strategy are you talking about and what did doug wilson do?

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Being the awesome internet GM I am I think there is one glaring weakness on this otherwise good team.

Lack of agitators.

We have lots of honest good physical players. Moreso than in the past 5 or 6 years.

However we didn't have anyone stir the pot like Callahan and Dorsett with their borderline cheap plays.

Our grinders are honest good players. Beagle, Hendricks, Brouwer (not really a grinder but you get the point), Fehr, Ward etc....Chimera tried a few times but thats not his game. He's not a convincing diver.

We need some guys who initiate and then do the classic headsnap or take a dive. This is how the NHL goes.

In 08 Upshall was a thorn in our sides along with Briere and Hartnell. They would draw tons of penalties. Avery did that to us as well when with the Rags.

We used to have guys like Dino and Hunter. In 98 we had Tikkanen and guys like Bellows.

I think this must be addressed personally.

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