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05-15-2013, 02:57 PM
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I wonder how much of this is from solid, reputable sources, and not just you talking out of your ass?
i'm pretty sure you've watched the same team as I did during his time here, he gave no effort on the ice and was afraid of going anywhere a opponent. we traded him because he was playing horribly + he made the news with Hamrlik and Sergei K


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05-15-2013, 02:58 PM
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Remember, there could be a lot more good players available with the compliance buyouts. Guys that can still contribute, but were overpaid.
Yeah we should check out some rosters.

Obvious ones:

Tor
Komisarek(wouldn't mind him as a 1 year 1.5 mil reclamation project)
Grabovsky

Chi
Olesz
Montador(maybe on a 1 year deal, consussions?)

Van
Booth
Ballard

Phi
Briere
Bryzgalov


NYR
Richards
Boyle

Min
Heatley

Mtl
Kaberle
Gomez

Pit
Jokinen
Fleury

Buf
Leino
Miller
Myers

Bos
Peverley

Cal
Cammalleri
Hudler
Stajan
sarich

Col
Stastny
Jones

Edm
Horcoff

Det
Quincey

Fla
Versteeg
Campbell

NJ
Tallinder

NYI
Dipietro

Ott
Michalek

SJ
Havlat
Boyle

TB
Malone

Wash
Schultz

Wpg
Jokinen

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05-15-2013, 02:59 PM
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I wonder how much of this is from solid, reputable sources, and not just you talking out of your ass?
He knows, trust him.

It ain't easy.

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Your hockey acumen is really showing now!
everthing I say is to be taken to be taken literally, obviously

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05-15-2013, 03:11 PM
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I was one of those who really enjoyed watching AK46 play. Yes, he could be frustrating at times but also incredible at others. Michel Therrien often praised him on l'Antichambre.

With the lack of decent UFAs, I'd make him a 1 year 2M offer. If he wants to come back and play within MT's rules and system, he would be a very viable option on the right side.

Galchenyuk-Eller-AK46

Sick hands, sick shots - could be a 75 goal third line!
I'd go for AKost as a UFA. I think he'd come back older and wiser.

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I'd go for AKost as a UFA. I think he'd come back older and wiser.
Though I like his skills and his size,

You can't fix stupid.

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Yeah we should check out some rosters.

Obvious ones:

Tor
Komisarek(wouldn't mind him as a 1 year 1.5 mil reclamation project)
Grabovsky

Chi
Olesz
Montador(maybe on a 1 year deal, consussions?)

Van
Booth
Ballard

Phi
Briere
Bryzgalov


NYR
Richards
Boyle

Min
Heatley

Mtl
Kaberle
Gomez

Pit
Jokinen
Fleury

Buf
Leino
Miller
Myers

Bos
Peverley

Cal
Cammalleri
Hudler
Stajan
sarich

Col
Stastny
Jones

Edm
Horcoff

Det
Quincey

Fla
Versteeg
Campbell

NJ
Tallinder

NYI
Dipietro

Ott
Michalek

SJ
Havlat
Boyle

TB
Malone

Wash
Schultz

Wpg
Jokinen
I think most of these suggestions are unavailable, unaffordable, or not likely to pay off. (Note that I said most.)

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05-15-2013, 03:19 PM
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Though I like his skills and his size,

You can't fix stupid.
Do you deny that AKost had several very good seasons with the Habs?

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Do you deny that AKost had several very good seasons with the Habs?
Absolutely not. I just think he's an idiot and looks like Gollum. I'd tentatively agree to bring him back though. Provided there are low expectations and a low contract.

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Though I like his skills and his size,

You can't fix stupid.
This. People assuming that the dude is heartless or soulless or what have you are just buying into the tradition of committing character assassination on russians or other euros. Occam's razor would suggest not that he was capable but unwilling, but that he wasn't capable. Big difference.

Andrei k's problem was a severe lack of hockey sense. But as a depth scorer, he's basically what we have in bourque. Same dude. One is just from Alberta.

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This. People assuming that the dude is heartless or soulless or what have you are just buying into the tradition of committing character assassination on russians or other euros. Occam's razor would suggest not that he was capable but unwilling, but that he wasn't capable. Big difference.

Andrei k's problem was a severe lack of hockey sense. But as a depth scorer, he's basically what we have in bourque. Same dude. One is just from Alberta.
Bourque has a better track record than Andrei K over his career, I'd easily rather have him at this point. Andrei K's physical game was fairly streaky too, from what I recall. Bourque was a physical presence on most nights this season too.

Eager to see how he does next year in a full season.

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05-15-2013, 03:31 PM
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I would love Kostitsyn to come back, used to be one of my favorite player when he was with Montreal and always found he was underrated defensively and physically (a lot better than Pacioretty in both aspects imo). The whole Nashville fiasco was overblown and was non-issue, but because it was two russians the media made a big deal about and exagerated any detail they could change to make them look bad.

Max Pacioretty - David Desharnais (sigh) or UFA/Trade market - Brendan Gallagher
Rene Bourque - Tomas Plekanec - Brian Gionta (for another year, he won't be moved people)
Alex Galchenyuk - Lars Eller - Andrei Kostitsyn (now that'd be a really sexy line, it was already a really good line with Moen, I don't wanna imagine with Galchenyuk how sick they would be)
Travis Moen - Boyd Gordon - Brandon Prust
Ryan White - Sestito/Hendricks/Dumont

Andrei Markov - Kevin Bieksa
Alexei Emelin - PK Subban
Rob Scuderi/Michal Roszival - Raphael Diaz
Francis Bouillon

Trade Gorges + 2nd rounder for Bieksa
Try to trade Moen and Desharnais, if you can trade Moen sign Torres or Nystrom. As for Desharnais sign Filppula.

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05-15-2013, 03:34 PM
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I do think this is a year where we have to make a bit of a splash. That's not to say anything major, but maybe just make a signing or two that shows we mean business and we're here to contend for years to come.

I'd love to see Bieksa in a Habs uniform as many are suggesting. My summer would be made if we can get Clarkson as well.

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Kostitsyn back.... let's go foward from now on please guys...

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...My summer would be made if we can get Clarkson as well.
Dont hold your breath on that one; he is going to get big offers cause he;s just about at the top of the free agents list now so hes in for a BIG payday and i dont think we will even give him an offer



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This. People assuming that the dude is heartless or soulless or what have you are just buying into the tradition of committing character assassination on russians or other euros. Occam's razor would suggest not that he was capable but unwilling, but that he wasn't capable. Big difference.

Andrei k's problem was a severe lack of hockey sense. But as a depth scorer, he's basically what we have in bourque. Same dude. One is just from Alberta.
If AK doesn't have sense then Bourque is lacking something more basic, like talent. Players like Ryder and Gallagher get it, slide a bit away from the net, arc towards the point, stutter step, slow down and then speed up, these are things that other players do and Bourque almost never does.

I would say players like Pleks and Eller are better off with AK and enjoy playing with him a lot more then Bourque and players like Desharnais are much more suited to playing with Bourque.

Desharnais will move himself around and position himself (do the thinking around here) so Bourque doesn't have to, because he can't.

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Dont hold your breath on that one; he is going to get big offers cause he;s just about at the top of the free agents list now so hes in for a BIG payday and i dont think we will even give him an offer


Oh I know, sadly my hopes are not up for that at all.

I do want Maxim Lapierre back, but that's probably just me being a homer since he's always been on of my favorites.

...and because I spent $250+ on a jersey of his only a few weeks before we traded him...that too...

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What the Habs really need is a Lucic/Simmonds type of player I adore both of their styles, everytime I start a Be a GM in NHL 13 getting 1 (or both :p) is my first move....

Sadly that is a fantasy world because these type of guys are impossible to trade for. Sadly we gotta try to draft and develop one

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Patch- Pleks - Gallagher
Bourque - Eller - Gionta
Flippula/Galchenyuk - Galchenyuk/Flippula/Desharnais - Galchenyuk/Ryder/Clarkson . (Kristo/Collberg)
Prust - White/Halpern - Trade Moen/Armstrong for decent 4th liner

Emelin - Markov
Subban - Bouillon
Tinordi - Gorges
Beaulieu

Draft:

Trade Bait: Diaz, Weber, Kaberle, Moen, Desharnais

Pick guys like : Mantha, Gauthier, Morin (Ultimate pairing with Tinordi)


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This. People assuming that the dude is heartless or soulless or what have you are just buying into the tradition of committing character assassination on russians or other euros. Occam's razor would suggest not that he was capable but unwilling, but that he wasn't capable. Big difference.

Andrei k's problem was a severe lack of hockey sense. But as a depth scorer, he's basically what we have in bourque. Same dude. One is just from Alberta.
One problem that I think many players, including Kostitsyn, had on previous editions of the Habs was Jacques Martin. I could be wrong but I didn't see any communication there. If the coach isn't teaching you anything it is hard to learn.

I think that kind of situation is made worse when the player has talent but lacks hockey instincts. The coach has to keep drilling what is expected of the player, on and off the ice, over a long period of time.

In Kostitsyn's case, it's probably too late but the talent is definitely there.

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If AK doesn't have sense then Bourque is lacking something more basic, like talent. Players like Ryder and Gallagher get it, slide a bit away from the net, arc towards the point, stutter step, slow down and then speed up, these are things that other players do and Bourque almost never does.
One of the things the coaching staff wanted the forwards to do was drive the net and Bourque did it in a big way. I think you need both types of players on a line. As for Ryder, he slid away from more than the net. He also had the slowing down part figured out but not the speeding up part.

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I would say players like Pleks and Eller are better off with AK and enjoy playing with him a lot more then Bourque and players like Desharnais are much more suited to playing with Bourque.

Desharnais will move himself around and position himself (do the thinking around here) so Bourque doesn't have to, because he can't.
Why so down on Bourque. I would take him 10 times out of 10 over Ryder

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Patch- Pleks - Gallagher
Bourque - Eller - Gionta
Flippula/Galchenyuk - Galchenyuk/Flippula/Desharnais - Galchenyuk/Ryder/Clarkson . (Kristo/Collberg)
Prust - White/Halpern - Trade Moen/Armstrong for decent 4th liner

Emelin - Markov
Subban - Bouillon
Tinordi - Gorges
Beaulieu

Draft:

Trade Bait: Diaz, Weber, Kaberle, Armstrong, Moen, Desharnais

Pick guys like : Mantha, Gauthier, Morin (Ultimate pairing with Tinordi)
Weber, Kaberle and Armstrong are not trade bait. Armstrong in particular; he is a free agent.

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Weber, Kaberle and Armstrong are not trade bait. Armstrong in particular; he is a free agent.
My bad, will edit that

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Armstrong has 1% of offensive skill left compared to Bordeleau's -10.

You have to take into account everything and can't base it on stats. Armstrong you can kinda trust defensive and pks while Bordeleau gets his 5 minutes a game.
That's why the best would be to get a guy like Hendricks to replace Armstrong and get Bordeleau to punch face some games.

It was also Bordeleau first season in the NHL, he can get better.

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