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05-15-2013, 12:04 PM
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Tampa fan coming in peace. Just wondering, would you guys do 3 + for 4 + Josi? Or 3 + 4th round for 4 + Blum. Drouin is the type of creative franchise player you might be looking for. If Mackinnon is there (not likely) even better for you guys. Again just curious, I know how high you guys hold Josi, and I really want to know what the plus would be considering the difference in potential from Drouin/Mackinnon to Barkov/Lindholm/Monahan/Nichuskin
I would do 3 overall for 4 overall and Blum if MacKinnon is there. I don't really know how I feel about Drouin right now.

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05-15-2013, 12:20 PM
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Tampa fan coming in peace. Just wondering, would you guys do 3 + for 4 + Josi? Or 3 + 4th round for 4 + Blum. Drouin is the type of creative franchise player you might be looking for. If Mackinnon is there (not likely) even better for you guys. Again just curious, I know how high you guys hold Josi, and I really want to know what the plus would be considering the difference in potential from Drouin/Mackinnon to Barkov/Lindholm/Monahan/Nichuskin
3 + 4th round for 4 + Blum is not a bad offer if Mac is there. But it's likely gonna be Drouin, and Barkov just fits the Preds better.

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05-15-2013, 12:36 PM
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I don't think the difference is that great between 3 and 4. Not a Josi or Blum difference, that's for sure.

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05-15-2013, 12:47 PM
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Yeah, maybe a late round pick, that's about it.

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05-15-2013, 01:27 PM
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Tampa fan coming in peace. Just wondering, would you guys do 3 + for 4 + Josi? Or 3 + 4th round for 4 + Blum. Drouin is the type of creative franchise player you might be looking for. If Mackinnon is there (not likely) even better for you guys. Again just curious, I know how high you guys hold Josi, and I really want to know what the plus would be considering the difference in potential from Drouin/Mackinnon to Barkov/Lindholm/Monahan/Nichuskin
Josi is untouchable especially when we would probably be just as happy with Barkov.

I dont see us wanting to trade up to 3. If we trade up it will be to 2 to get Mackinnon but I dont see Florioda moving the pick

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05-15-2013, 03:51 PM
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Predators need to come out of this draft with either barkov or mackinnon. So if we make move it's with panthers for second because they will take Mack over drouin for sure if they pick.

I think Mack and barkov will both be franchise centres regardless.

Barkov is far above Lindholm, monahan, etc.

But now that the question has come up, just for fun, what would panthers want for second overall??

I wouldn't do much more than fourth overall and Blum for second overall. Because as I said, just as happy with barkov as mackinnon.

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05-15-2013, 06:38 PM
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If he trades this fourth away it must be for a 40 goal scorer who is in his prime, and signed for 7 years at an affordable price. They don't exist.

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05-16-2013, 12:14 AM
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If he trades this fourth away it must be for a 40 goal scorer who is in his prime, and signed for 7 years at an affordable price. They don't exist.
And the few that are close are not likely to be shopped for the #4 alone.

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Sam Gagner produced at a 65-point pace with second line minutes and PP time last year. He's basically emerging right now as a primary offensive weapon.

Why the Oilers move him? They need more of a 2-way presence with RNH becoming option #1 as a scoring threat.

Gagner, 7th overall

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Kevin Klein, 5th overall

Take Monahan and you've basically set your forward core up pretty steady for the next while.

Gagner, Forsberg as top-line scoring threats.
Monahan to hold the fort on the 2nd line as a big-bodied 2-way presence.

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05-16-2013, 06:18 AM
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Klein is the only legitimate 2nd pair d-man that we have, and Barkov is a much better pick than Monahan right now. So that's a pretty bad deal for the Preds.

Barkov/Klein vs Gagner/Monahan... the first pair wins out easily.

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05-16-2013, 06:31 AM
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Sam Gagner produced at a 65-point pace with second line minutes and PP time last year. He's basically emerging right now as a primary offensive weapon.

Why the Oilers move him? They need more of a 2-way presence with RNH becoming option #1 as a scoring threat.

Gagner, 7th overall

for

Kevin Klein, 5th overall

Take Monahan and you've basically set your forward core up pretty steady for the next while.

Gagner, Forsberg as top-line scoring threats.
Monahan to hold the fort on the 2nd line as a big-bodied 2-way presence.
Or just pick Barkov with the 4th overall, who is projected of getting those 65 points quite surely. Also we are looking for 2nd pair dman, losing Klein would make the situation in 2nd pairing worse - making being competitive next year harder and thus wasting the first year with Gagner. In second or third year Barkov should be on about the same level as Gagner.

Also if Gagner aint too good 2-way, Trotz's system wont be the thing for him. Also, 2nd line C isnt exactly the thing we need the most right now, so Monahan wont be worth of losing core-dman signed for multiple years and switching younger big two-way center with high offensive upside for Gagner.

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I have to agree. That deal from Edmonton is a "no" for sure. Weakens us defensively in the one area we cannot be weakened (second pairing), and I'd rather get Barkov than have Gagner and his "65-point pace." "Pace" doesn't do a lot for me. I realize it was a shortened season, but if he hasn't done it over an 82 game season, or close to it, then I don't count it.

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Words could not express how disapointed I would be if we traded Klein and Barkov for Gagner and Monahan.

In my mind this pick can NOT be traded.

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I wouldn't trade Klein for Gagner straight up, never mind giving the higher pick as well.

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I wouldn't trade Klein for Gagner straight up, never mind giving the higher pick as well.
I have to agree

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Sam Gagner produced at a 65-point pace with second line minutes and PP time last year. He's basically emerging right now as a primary offensive weapon.

Why the Oilers move him? They need more of a 2-way presence with RNH becoming option #1 as a scoring threat.

Gagner, 7th overall

for

Kevin Klein, 5th overall

Take Monahan and you've basically set your forward core up pretty steady for the next while.

Gagner, Forsberg as top-line scoring threats.
Monahan to hold the fort on the 2nd line as a big-bodied 2-way presence.
Terrible. Absolutely terrible. Also, we have the 4th overall pick, not 5th.

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Oilers have so many snipers its ridiculous. I wonder if they would do Ellis and a third for gagner?

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Oilers have so many snipers its ridiculous. I wonder if they would do Ellis and a third for gagner?
The Oilers need to get bigger and tougher. Ellis won't help that. I imagine the Oil passes.

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Flames fan coming in peace.... I am wondering whether a deal like this would be enough to get the 4th overall from Nashville.

To Cal
4th overall
2nd round pick

To Nash
6th overall
Penguins 1st
Horak or similar prospect

This allows you to still get either Monahan or Lindholm, while moving your second round pick up several spots. The prospect is added to sweeten the deal.

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Flames fan coming in peace.... I am wondering whether a deal like this would be enough to get the 4th overall from Nashville.

To Cal
4th overall
2nd round pick

To Nash
6th overall
Penguins 1st
Horak or similar prospect

This allows you to still get either Monahan or Lindholm, while moving your second round pick up several spots. The prospect is added to sweeten the deal.
We don't have a 2nd round pick this year. Try again

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We don't have a 2nd round pick this year. Try again
Change it to a 3rd and take out Horak then.

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05-17-2013, 05:37 PM
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The same reason that all these teams want to move into the top 4, are the same reasons that the Preds don't want to move out of the top 4. Mac, Drouin and Barkov are a better pick than Lindholm and Monahan.

Good thing there's only a month and a half till the draft, if they held it at the end of summer i'd go crazy with all of the trade proposals.

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Change it to a 3rd and take out Horak then.
No thanks.

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if and I mean a BIG IF, Poile does trade #4 to move down it will be to trade down to get Wennberg. Look at where he plays, same team as Aberg and Pickard. But it better be one HELL of a trade overpay and Poile trusting his Europeans scouts.

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No thanks.
If Horak was still in the deal, would it at least be close?

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