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05-15-2013, 10:31 PM
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The Hawks are just too good, we aren't at that level, to have any chance at all, Howard would have to be a wall a la Giguere 2003 or Hasek in the late 90s and we'd have to be very opportunistic scoring. I don't see either happening enough to win 4 or even 3 games. A win is perhaps possible but everything beyond seems far-fetched.

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You don't need 20 SOG necessarily, you just need to move the puck up the ice smoothly and efficiently.
I'm not sure if he would have made much difference. Hawks get on our D and F really quickly. Even our better stickhandlers didnt have much time and space to do anything. I dont think a guy just out of college can fend off and make play

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05-15-2013, 10:36 PM
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It's only one game. We looked terrible in the 3rd. Howard kept us in the game.Dan Cleary is the worst player in the NHL. I really wish Babcock would sit him and he does not get re-signed next season.Smith is terrible.
you and me probably watch different game

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05-15-2013, 10:43 PM
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I'm not sure if he would have made much difference. Hawks get on our D and F really quickly. Even our better stickhandlers didnt have much time and space to do anything. I dont think a guy just out of college can fend off and make play
While I agree that he won't win us games single handedly, I think having him makes us obviously better at getting out of our end, and therefore makes this a closer and more competitive game. We didn't play awful all 60 minutes. I'm not saying we would win the series in 4 or 5 games. I just think that if we are able to generate more of an attack consistently throughout this past game, the outcome would likely look different than it did. Maybe we lose 5-3 on an EN goal, or maybe we lose 2-1 in OT. I just think that with a bit more help back there it is a different game. The Hawks are good, but I don't think they are unbeatable.

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05-15-2013, 10:45 PM
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Bert under 8 min , i'd rather see TOTO next game at list he can bring speed and energy

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Not a good night, but not the end of the world boys....

President's Trophy winner takes game 1 at home = dog bites man.

Scotty Bowman always said the key game in any series is game 2.

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05-15-2013, 10:54 PM
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Bert under 8 min , i'd rather see TOTO next game at list he can bring speed and energy
Last series I would've been all about bringing tootoo back...but against the Hawks I think that would just be one or two more penalties per game that we're going to have a lot of trouble killing.

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Hawks were dominant in second and third periods. Wings can and will come back with a better performance in game 2. This series is at least going 6 games so long as the Wings don't roll over for the Hawks.

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Not a good night, but not the end of the world boys....

President's Trophy winner takes game 1 at home = dog bites man.

Scotty Bowman always said the key game in any series is game 2.
Well put.

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The Hawks are just too good, we aren't at that level, to have any chance at all, Howard would have to be a wall a la Giguere 2003 or Hasek in the late 90s and we'd have to be very opportunistic scoring. I don't see either happening enough to win 4 or even 3 games. A win is perhaps possible but everything beyond seems far-fetched.

no, the hawks weren't that great.

Detroit played terribly. It's that simple. Giveaways and failed clears all game long.

Chicago does not have the greatest defense ever. They just have a mobile one. They can be exploited.

The first period was somewhat how Detroit has to play. They have to be physical. They have to trap in the neutral zone and be patient for turnovers. Chicago's D gets caught deep sometimes.

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05-15-2013, 11:11 PM
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at least the hawks can simply overpower the babcock defensive brick wall hockey with skill. this is the only reason there is not a ugly hockey garbage like the ducks series. this was unwatchable despite the result. beating the ducks is always a good thing.
but watching all the amazing player the hawks have makes me jealous. i wish we could get rid of the rubbish we have on our roster. just keep howard, dats and zetta and replace the others with random guys. we should have the same result the next season then.

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05-15-2013, 11:16 PM
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Gut says after the first game the Red Wings are a combination of too old and slow for the Hawks (doesn't matter how much of a 'playoff warrior' Cleary is), who look twice as fast as the Red Wings, and inexperienced (Smith looked horrendous). The Hawks beat them to every puck, every chance the Red Wings tried to clear the puck a Hawk was there, they're just flat out faster. Doesn't help the Red Wings ran around like a chicken with it's head cut-off in their own zone.

Crawford isn't as good as his stats tell. Get pucks and pressure on the guy and he'll fold. But can the Red Wings do it? Jimmy will outplay Crawford, there isn't any question about it. The Red Wings just have to find a way to get to Crawford and help Jimmy.

Bertuzzi is useless on the fourth line. Either play him with Datysuk or scratch him.

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Chicago scratched a player that would be playing on our 1st line right now. I thought that pretty much sums it up.
Victor Stalberg yeah he is a solid player. He is going to be a UFA the Hawks can't keep. I think he will be wearing a Wings sweater next season. He had 20Gs last season with no PP time. Had a good regular season and average at best first round series. So that was why he was scratched, I was surprised he was scratched and he probably plays the rest of the series.

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05-15-2013, 11:48 PM
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Completely dominated by the Hawks. Jimmy made it look close, but the Wings were never able to threaten the Hawks again after Brunner scored.

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05-16-2013, 12:15 AM
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To me it looked like outside of the first period and the third line we just didn't have any gas in the tank. Unfortunate because jimmy did his best to keep us in the game. Hopefully game 2 we come out with our legs on.

I hope babs doesn't put d and z together again. We do not have enough depth with them together on one line. I understand he tried to get something going but when that happened it coincided with their offense waking up as well.

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You don't need 20 SOG necessarily, you just need to move the puck up the ice smoothly and efficiently.
if d-men had been able to move the puck out, chicago would not have had 40+ shots, and DRW would have had more than 20, just based on time of possession.

number of errors in defensive zone was embarrassing.


i thought the F's were much less a problem than d-men. when F's had time in the offensive zone, they were able to create shots and some chances. but they spent most of last 40 minutes on defense.

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Victor Stalberg yeah he is a solid player. He is going to be a UFA the Hawks can't keep. I think he will be wearing a Wings sweater next season. He had 20Gs last season with no PP time. Had a good regular season and average at best first round series. So that was why he was scratched, I was surprised he was scratched and he probably plays the rest of the series.
i hope ken holland signs him. lack of speed is a problem.

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05-16-2013, 12:33 AM
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In spite of all the assessments in here, the Hawks didn't blow the game open until midway through the third.

It's the same type of meltdown we were seeing against the Ducks. The guys get tired, start making more mental mistakes, aren't helping each other out. Kronwall, for example, sleepily skates toward a puck sitting right in front of his own net. Did he really think no Hawks forward was going to notice that puck in front of the net?

Mental mistakes. They play defense first. They're outmatched by the Hawks depth-wise. Let's not forget this is probably the best team in the NHL right now.

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Typical game coming from the West Coast within a few games.

I should have expected it but I don't expect a 20 minute game in an every game counts situation.
This the Hawks were rested and ready we were tired and a step slow.

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05-16-2013, 01:11 AM
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The Hawks are just too good, we aren't at that level, to have any chance at all, Howard would have to be a wall a la Giguere 2003 or Hasek in the late 90s and we'd have to be very opportunistic scoring. I don't see either happening enough to win 4 or even 3 games. A win is perhaps possible but everything beyond seems far-fetched.
I had this dark thought too but there is a possibility. Howard I have faith can be that good, a la Jonathan Quick. True that is our greatest hope in winning this series. But if the Wings can push harder to get pucks through and stay(like they showed they can) with the Blackhawks it could be interesting.

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Hawks were dominant in second and third periods. Wings can and will come back with a better performance in game 2. This series is at least going 6 games so long as the Wings don't roll over for the Hawks.
The other half of the coin! Thanks for your post. We will not roll over. Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Kronwall have too much experience and pride to let this ship just sink.

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Gut says after the first game the Red Wings are a combination of too old and slow for the Hawks (doesn't matter how much of a 'playoff warrior' Cleary is), who look twice as fast as the Red Wings, and inexperienced (Smith looked horrendous). The Hawks beat them to every puck, every chance the Red Wings tried to clear the puck a Hawk was there, they're just flat out faster. Doesn't help the Red Wings ran around like a chicken with it's head cut-off in their own zone.

Crawford isn't as good as his stats tell. Get pucks and pressure on the guy and he'll fold. But can the Red Wings do it? Jimmy will outplay Crawford, there isn't any question about it. The Red Wings just have to find a way to get to Crawford and help Jimmy.

Bertuzzi is useless on the fourth line. Either play him with Datysuk or scratch him.
Agree with the part about Crawford but again a somewhat overly negative reaction. We're inexperienced but 1/2 as fast? They beat us and outworked us for every puck? That is an exaggeration (which I am also guilty of). We had some energy and chances. We can play with these guys. Z said pre game that the 1st and 8th teams are not as far apart as the fans believe, I think that is true.

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In spite of all the assessments in here, the Hawks didn't blow the game open until midway through the third.

It's the same type of meltdown we were seeing against the Ducks. The guys get tired, start making more mental mistakes, aren't helping each other out. Kronwall, for example, sleepily skates toward a puck sitting right in front of his own net. Did he really think no Hawks forward was going to notice that puck in front of the net?

Mental mistakes. They play defense first. They're outmatched by the Hawks depth-wise. Let's not forget this is probably the best team in the NHL right now.
I saw a stat after the game that we have given up the most playoff goals in the 3rd period, 14 I think? That is not good. I'm not sure why we're running out of steam later in the game.

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05-16-2013, 01:25 AM
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That's what happens when you suck for years get lottery picks, make good trades, draft well, play youth and swoop in a sign a player like Hossa.
And have your former GM in Florida bail you out on mistake contracts that might have otherwise handcuffed your franchise.

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The united center has to be the quietest building in the league. They only start to make any noise after they go up by 2 goals.

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This the Hawks were rested and ready we were tired and a step slow.
Detroit last played SUnday, so they had 3 days rest. They'll get less rest before they get more.

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The united center has to be the quietest building in the league. They only start to make any noise after they go up by 2 goals.
You obviously missed the national anthem.

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The united center has to be the quietest building in the league. They only start to make any noise after they go up by 2 goals.
Their 'fans' probably don't even know what they are watching.

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To me it looked like outside of the first period and the third line we just didn't have any gas in the tank. Unfortunate because jimmy did his best to keep us in the game. Hopefully game 2 we come out with our legs on.

I hope babs doesn't put d and z together again. We do not have enough depth with them together on one line. I understand he tried to get something going but when that happened it coincided with their offense waking up as well.
Agreed in the 2nd half of that game when the 2nd line was Mule, Flip, Cleary it was just awful. Terrible.

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