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05-15-2013, 10:40 PM
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I disagree wholeheartedly. I have no hate for the guy. I wanted to see the guy succeed and even met him right after they drafted him. When I say he rarely took control of the game, I was not necessarily implying he had 1st line in him. He didn't even dominate a game from a physical point of you. He had thickness to him and yes.....occasionally gave some hard checks.....but was not the type of physical player to impose himself physically. I never saw him as a player driving the net either.....come on....if I have hate glasses, you have rose coloured ones. He played more of a perimeter game the majority of the time than anything resembling a hard nosed screen-the-goalie type game. His sniping was way too inconsistent. Here's a question.....Prust or Kostitsyn? I say Prust.....over and over....and he does not have the same hockey talent but his impact on the game is greater and more consistent.....offensively and defensively.
We have a half a dozen small players on the team and this is about whether we should keep Prust or AK, why wouldn't we keep both. That's as silly as saying I don't want Tinordi on the team because I'd rather keep Subban.

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I'd love Stalberg. He would for our team well and could play on pleks wing easily. Is he a ufa or would we need to trade for him?

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Morrow is interesting but if were going to put that kind of money out why not put it out on a guy like Bickell. He is younger and not prone to injury like Morrow is.

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We have a half a dozen small players on the team and this is about whether we should keep Prust or AK, why wouldn't we keep both. That's as silly as saying I don't want Tinordi on the team because I'd rather keep Subban.
It's not about Prust or AK......it's about upgrading on guys like AK. Surely, you've missed the point of my argument. AK should surely make a greater impact on the game than Prust, based on size and skillset.....and yet he does not. That should tell you plenty. He slept through too many games. I don't understand this lovefest with AK. We watch a youtube video of a few of his goals and fall in love. Too bad we couldn't create a youtube video of how he most often played so as to cure insomnia.

People, Nashville didn't keep AK.....no other team offered AK a contract either. Does that not tell anyone anything??

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Stallberg is a 15-25 goal scoring guy, 6'3 210, but his problem is he doesn't fight(ok he had 3 career fights). I don't know if he's physical or not so I'm not going to judge on that. He seems like a player I would be happy about if we signed him, but would much rather go for Bickell, Clarkson and Clowe.

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Stallberg is a 15-25 goal scoring guy, 6'3 210, but his problem is he doesn't fight(ok he had 3 career fights). I don't know if he's physical or not so I'm not going to judge on that. He seems like a player I would be happy about if we signed him, but would much rather go for Bickell, Clarkson and Clowe.
We don't need scrappers we need guys that can play hockey, win battles along the boards in both ends of the ice and grind the opposing teams D, right now the only guys that do it well on our team are Gallagher, Prust and Bourque the rest of our wingers are either too soft, too young, too small or too bad.

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It's not about Prust or AK......it's about upgrading on guys like AK. Surely, you've missed the point of my argument. AK should surely make a greater impact on the game than Prust, based on size and skillset.....and yet he does not. That should tell you plenty. He slept through too many games. I don't understand this lovefest with AK. We watch a youtube video of a few of his goals and fall in love. Too bad we couldn't create a youtube video of how he most often played so as to cure insomnia.

People, Nashville didn't keep AK.....no other team offered AK a contract either. Does that not tell anyone anything??
I totally get that there are people here don't like AK, I've been here long enough to hear all the crap over and over and there is nothing you are going to say that hasn't been said before.

I think if you have a player like Gallagher you should have someone like Prust to babysit him and yes Prust is a better guy for the job then AK. But for players like Eller I'd like to have someone with some talent to play with him because sooner or later Galchenyuk will be able to centre his own line.

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It's not about Prust or AK......it's about upgrading on guys like AK. Surely, you've missed the point of my argument. AK should surely make a greater impact on the game than Prust, based on size and skillset.....and yet he does not. That should tell you plenty. He slept through too many games. I don't understand this lovefest with AK. We watch a youtube video of a few of his goals and fall in love. Too bad we couldn't create a youtube video of how he most often played so as to cure insomnia.

People, Nashville didn't keep AK.....no other team offered AK a contract either. Does that not tell anyone anything??
No, it does not. Remember, Nashville gladly traded for him and although he and Radulov went off the tracks it was no reflection on his size and skill.

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Koivu retire a hab

Should MB sign Koivu for a game when he's ready to retire.

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Yeah.

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Of course... would be nice but i dont see him play again.. he would be out of place... unless he plays the wing... but still dont see it. Yeah 1 day contrat but not 1 game.. we already traded him.. its not the same anymore.

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No, it does not. Remember, Nashville gladly traded for him and although he and Radulov went off the tracks it was no reflection on his size and skill.
And we gonna gladly pick a guy like Bowey, McCoshen, McCaron, Petan, Dauphin, etc. with the second round pick

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And we gonna gladly pick a guy like Bowey, McCoshen, McCaron, Petan, Dauphin, etc. with the second round pick
Huh? 5'9, 166 lbs. I'm bigger than him.

Sign me! I gots size!

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Should MB sign Koivu for a game when he's ready to retire.
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Huh? 5'9, 166 lbs. I'm bigger than him.

Sign me! I gots size!
Well I doubt he'll at 5'9" 166lbs when he'll turn pro

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I'd see if I could get AK back for a cheaper / short contract to replace Ryder for some 2nd/3rd line scoring.
Bickell would be nice but probably can't afford him.
Sign Bordeleau or someone who can step in when they should.
Look at Steckel for 4th line / faceoffs. I wanted Lapierre back originally, just because its Lappy.. but apparently he has been bad in Vancouver.
Give Moen a short leash, if he doesn't have his **** together after 10 games or so, make a trade.
Regehr/Murray/Scuderi. Don't care if they're slow, we don't need them for their speed.

Or make a big trade for Bobby Ryan / Chris Stewart / Wayne Simmonds.
I'll say it many times in this post, no AK46. IMO, he's a less talented, just as lazy and no character guy like AK27. Let's move on from that era shall we...We would be better off spending extra money on David Clarkson IMO.

Why do we need a faceoff specialist that can do anything else really? Were our faceoffs that bad this year???

Don't make a trade for Ryan cuz I don't think he's that physical, I however would take Chris Stewart and possibly Wayne Simmonds, but both would cost us dearly and we're not SC contender that could afford to make this trade right now.

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I know this is completely against the direction everyone wants this team to go in, but I'd kick the tires of Briere for sure if the Flyers buy him out (and if he's healthy...and if he's not asking for a lot).
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After thinking about it some more, we probably just don't have a fit for him altogether, Desharnais or not. We really only have 1 winger spot in our top 9 up for grabs and I'd rather see it go to a guy who could bring some grit (Bickell, Clowe, Clarkson, etc).

Our fourth line is already tight...White (if kept, Dumont if not), Prust, Moen and ideally an enforcer rotating in 3 spots.

We also already have the same top six on D locked in, and that's excluding Tinordi. Ideally I'd like us to sign a Regehr or a Murray, relegate Bouillon to 7th D, and let Tinordi/Beaulieu/etc stay in Hamilton until there's an injury. But I would definitely shop Diaz to see if we can use him as a chip to both open a slot on D and get something decent in return.

There certainly isn't much wiggle room for Bergevin this year, barring a trade.
LOL did you notice there were 3 IFs in that last sentence. No Briere. We don't need another smurf-like french canadian. Besides, he turned us down for less money in Philadelphia. The guy's a *****. Wouldn't even excel here because he's a little ***** and can't deal with the pressure of playing in this hockey mad city. Enough said...

Disagree, Tinordi is most likely making the roster out of camp, and that leaves:

Markov-Emelin
Gorges-Subban
Tinordi-Diaz

Bouillon-UFA D or possibly Beaulieu (highly unlikely)

For UFA D, I think Reghyr and Murray are out of our range for an 8th defenseman. What do you think about the guy i like to call Queen MAB (Marc-Andre Bergeron, Shakespeare reference anyone?), or even a guy like Komisarek if he's bought out. Reclamation project yes sir, play him with Markov when Emelin doesn't start the year cuz of the ACL tear (Markov-Komisarek pre-2009 anyone????)

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Yeah we should check out some rosters.

Obvious ones:

Tor
Komisarek(wouldn't mind him as a 1 year 1.5 mil reclamation project)
Grabovsky

Chi
Olesz
Montador(maybe on a 1 year deal, consussions?)

Van
Booth
Ballard

Phi
Briere
Bryzgalov


NYR
Richards
Boyle

Min
Heatley

Mtl
Kaberle
Gomez

Pit
Jokinen
Fleury

Buf
Leino
Miller
Myers

Bos
Peverley

Cal
Cammalleri
Hudler
Stajan
sarich

Col
Stastny
Jones

Edm
Horcoff

Det
Quincey

Fla
Versteeg
Campbell

NJ
Tallinder

NYI
Dipietro

Ott
Michalek

SJ
Havlat
Boyle

TB
Malone

Wash
Schultz

Wpg
Jokinen
Garbo isn't getting bought out, idc what anyone says. It's not happening.

I don't think the Bryz will be bought out either, just because the Flyers would have to pay something like 23 million dollars. Thats a lot of ****ing money, essentially the Flyers profit margin for a season and a half or so. Don't think the PHI owners sign off on this. Same thing with Richards. The guy played decent, not to the amount he's getting paid, but well. The guy would be paid 24 million as well. Doubt the NYR owners sign off on that either. Fleury isn't getting bought out despite his performance in the POs this year. Maybe he gets traded down the line, but no way he gets bought out.

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Bourque has a better track record than Andrei K over his career, I'd easily rather have him at this point. Andrei K's physical game was fairly streaky too, from what I recall. Bourque was a physical presence on most nights this season too.

Eager to see how he does next year in a full season.
Bourque's career: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=54761

Kostitsyn's career: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=70846

They look quite similar to me. The reason why I pass on AK and go with Bourque is because Bourque is more physical than Kostitsyn and also isn't lazy.

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bordeleau > stallberg + AK
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Should MB sign Koivu for a game when he's ready to retire.
I think if Selanne is back in ANA, so is Koivu. If not, sign him for a 1 day contract and retire as a Hab. Thank you very much for your work, Saku.

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Sign Horton and Bickell on forward and Murray on defense:

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Horton - Plekanec - Gionta
Bickell - Eller - Bourque
Prust - Armstrong - Moen
White

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Murray - Tinordi
Bouillon

Price
Budaj

Time to cut ties with Desharnais and package him with Kaberle or another player.

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Sign Horton and Bickell on forward and Murray on defense:

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Horton - Plekanec - Gionta
Bickell - Eller - Bourque
Prust - Armstrong - Moen
White

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Murray - Tinordi
Bouillon

Price
Budaj

Time to cut ties with Desharnais and package him with Kaberle or another player.
Where's Diaz?

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We should target stewart and kyle beach

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I'd love to get Kopecky, Dupuis, Stalberg, Stewart etc. up front and a big, shut down d on defence for PK and to close out games.

All have size, grit and can actually play hockey. That's the direction I hope we go in. Kopecky and Dupuis are on the top of my list of guys who we should go after.

Bourque Plex Gio
MaxPac DD Kopecky/Dupuis
Galchenyuk Eller Gally
Moen White Prust
Armstrong
Side of beef

Markov Emelin
ShutdownD PK
Gorges Tinordi
Bou Diaz


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We should target stewart and kyle beach
Stewart is apparently a really good guy and has a good work ethic, just isn't consistent. Beach however.... Not so much. I like his size and skill though, would likely come cheaply. Bergevin would likely know more about his current situation.

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I'd go for Dominic Moore to be our fourth line center. I imagine he'll be wanting to return to the league next season. He's a good veteran "character" that can move up in case of injury.

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I wonder if a forward spot (including 13th forward) will be up for grabs for one of our AHL'ers (think Kristo, Dumont, Leblanc and even Bournival. There might be some others that I can't really think of at the moment).
I think Dumont is right in the middle of things, mostly because he is no longer waiver exempt. I expect he will get a shot at #4 center. The others to me need to start in Hamilton, especially LeBlanc, if they knock MB's socks off in camp I'm sure he'll make room for them, but I wouldn't keep a spot open for LeBlanc Kristo or Bournival next year.

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Same could be said about Bourque last season and he turned it around. Him and Kostitsyn are exactly the mold of players this team needs. Heavy skilled players that can hit and score. As seen this year, Therrien is a proactive coach that has great communication with his players. IMO Andrei would benefit greatly from this style of coaching and I'm sure Therrien can make him a better player. For once we don't have a zombie looking coach that sucks the life of their players.
Bourque has maxed out his skills a lot more than AK over his career plus he will drop the gloves to defend a teammate. Unfortunately coming to the defense of a teammate is what got him sucker punched and concussed.

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Would love to replace Gionta with Stalberg, but we still need a couple of big bodies men up front AND on D!
Stalberg is softer and less skilled than Gionta, that's a definite step backwards. There is a reason he is a healthy scratch in Chicago. Big bodies are finbe but they have to be able to play.

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I think two reasonable acquisitions are Bickell and Bordeleau. And maybe just maybe Bergevin swings a deal with one of our young dmen for a young forward with size. Maybe he takes on a project like Kyle Beach. I also see him looking for a depth dman with size. but that's 4 moves, seems like a lot
Beach may or may not be a guy MB likes. He seems like the type of player you love or hate based on his qualities and faults. I could see a guy like him as a possible target though as 3rd or 4th line tough guy/agitator. He is no longer waiver exempt so Chicago will have to keep him, trade him or put him on waivers and risk losing him for nothing.

Tinordi being eligible for AHL plus Emelin possibly missing a month opens up a spot on defense. Ideally a guy like Regehr Murray Scuderi or more likely Fistric, or even a reclamation project like Komisarek or Peckham. The key to having depth on defense is having 7 NHL guys PLUS Tinordi Beaulieu Pateryn Ellis(plus an AHL veteran like St.Denis or similar), not having Tinordi as #6 and Beaulieu as #8.

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