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05-16-2013, 07:58 AM
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If he has sustained 2 concussions in the last 3 weeks or so I do not think he will be able to throw the body or fight without a significant chance of a relapse in the Bruin series.
Bingo.

This is what happened to Lindros. Playoff time--Flyers rushed him back. He was never the same player again--and he was arguably the best forward in the game at the time.

When concussions start coming one on top on the other it's time to pull the plug. At best 2 years at $3.5 mil and hope or pray that he'll come out of that okay. Rangers need a big nasty skilled power forward and there's not too many of them around--unfortunately Clowe's days are probably numbered.

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05-16-2013, 08:22 AM
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Anyone know when the big guy is gonna be back?

You guys need someone to straighten Lucic, Thornton, Marchand, Horton, McQuaid... well basically the whole Boston team out.

Pyatt( if he wants), Dorsett, and Asham can if they want, but they're playing good without sandpaper right now.

Clowe's perfect for the job, can't wait to see him destroy some Bruins
An easily concussed Clowe is the man perfect for the job?

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05-16-2013, 08:26 AM
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An easily concussed Clowe is the man perfect for the job?
I think one of the scariest things about this situation is that Sanguinetti's elbow and Chimera's hit were not exactly thunderous impacts.

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I think one of the scariest things about this situation is that Sanguinetti's elbow and Chimera's hit were not exactly thunderous impacts.
Neither was when Lindros hit himself with his own stick.

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05-16-2013, 08:43 AM
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Neither was when Lindros hit himself with his own stick.
That's what makes it concerning. It's easier to accept if he absorbed massive hits like Petr Prucha used to or something like that, but if we're using Lindros as a barometer for magnitude of impact....

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That's what makes it concerning. It's easier to accept if he absorbed massive hits like Petr Prucha used to or something like that, but if we're using Lindros as a barometer for magnitude of impact....
That might be the first time anyone has ever wished a player was more like Petr Prucha.

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05-16-2013, 08:57 AM
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That might be the first time anyone has ever wished a player was more like Petr Prucha.
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05-16-2013, 09:04 AM
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I mean, I agree it's likely, but there has been no real confirmation of one concussion for Clowe let alone two. Lots of over the top speculation and comparisons to Lindros at this point which may not be warranted.

Rangers could sure use the toughness. Shame the way the trade is working out thus far. Roster is starting to develop a nice mix of skill, could use a bit of toughness (real, making Oleksy **** his pants toughness) to balance it out.

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If not Clowe, the Rangers need to address the lack of size in their top-6 this off-season. Too small and weak.

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05-16-2013, 09:14 AM
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I mean, I agree it's likely, but there has been no real confirmation of one concussion for Clowe let alone two. Lots of over the top speculation and comparisons to Lindros at this point which may not be warranted.

Rangers could sure use the toughness. Shame the way the trade is working out thus far. Roster is starting to develop a nice mix of skill, could use a bit of toughness (real, making Oleksy **** his pants toughness) to balance it out.
Honestly, I do not know about the first "concussion", so I can't and won't opine on that. However, that Chimera hit had Clowe seeing stars. It didn't take a genius to see that he got bug eyed to the point they were almost rolling behind his head and he looked pretty damn woozy. If that wasn't a concussion per se, he sure looked like a guy that got his bell rung.

I think you played the game, and if you have I am sure you have seen that a bunch of times, I know I have. I don't think saying that Clowe was concussed at least the 2nd go around is wild speculation at all, I would say it is a veritable certainty.

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05-16-2013, 09:46 AM
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I mean, I agree it's likely, but there has been no real confirmation of one concussion for Clowe let alone two. Lots of over the top speculation and comparisons to Lindros at this point which may not be warranted.

Rangers could sure use the toughness. Shame the way the trade is working out thus far. Roster is starting to develop a nice mix of skill, could use a bit of toughness (real, making Oleksy **** his pants toughness) to balance it out.
I agree that it's speculation about the concussions. Don't agree that it's over the top comparing his situation to that of Lindros if it turns out that is two separate concussions following closely on each other. We don't know **** yet but **** a guy getting two separate concussions within a couple weeks is not a guy I would want to commit a lot of years or $ to--especially one whose game revolves around playing as physical as Clowe does. In the NHL cap world of today there is little room for too many big money-long term mistakes--at least if you want your team to be successful.

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05-16-2013, 10:34 AM
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Honestly, I do not know about the first "concussion", so I can't and won't opine on that. However, that Chimera hit had Clowe seeing stars. It didn't take a genius to see that he got bug eyed to the point they were almost rolling behind his head and he looked pretty damn woozy. If that wasn't a concussion per se, he sure looked like a guy that got his bell rung.

I think you played the game, and if you have I am sure you have seen that a bunch of times, I know I have. I don't think saying that Clowe was concussed at least the 2nd go around is wild speculation at all, I would say it is a veritable certainty.
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I agree that it's speculation about the concussions. Don't agree that it's over the top comparing his situation to that of Lindros if it turns out that is two separate concussions following closely on each other. We don't know **** yet but **** a guy getting two separate concussions within a couple weeks is not a guy I would want to commit a lot of years or $ to--especially one whose game revolves around playing as physical as Clowe does. In the NHL cap world of today there is little room for too many big money-long term mistakes--at least if you want your team to be successful.

At the end of the day I basically agree with you guys. "Over the top speculation" may have been too strong of a wording choice. It definitely looks like at least one concussion, and if that is the case it's not a good thing at all.

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05-16-2013, 11:02 AM
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Call it whatever you want, but the facts are that the guy (a) absorbed two hits to the head, and both resulted in injuries, (b) these hits / injuries occurred within close proximity of one another, and (c) the guy scored 3 goals all year.

People don't like the comparisons to Lindros? Then compare him to Crosby. Two head injuries in small window which raises questions regarding him as a UFA. Certainly not a "must-have" or "irreplaceable guy".

Has there been a player who has had consecutive consussions that wasn't out for a prolonged period of time? Or that received a long-term contract and actually played up to it? Hell, since there is a long discussion about Richards in the other thread, didn't he have a bad concussion his last year in Dallas? Hmmm....

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05-16-2013, 11:12 AM
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I think one of the scariest things about this situation is that Sanguinetti's elbow and Chimera's hit were not exactly thunderous impacts.
The Sangs shot was a decent one.

Was surprised he continued on the play when I saw it happen.

That was very similar to the MDZ elbow to Neals head earlier in the year.

As soon as he went down I knew exactly what had happened.

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05-21-2013, 04:26 PM
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So what's going rate to extend him now?
I said before it's 3 years 3M per. At this point, is he too much of a risk to even consider it?
If he is healthy, he brings something missing from the team, i still extend him but drop a year. 2 years, 3M per.

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So what's going rate to extend him now?
I said before it's 3 years 3M per. At this point, is he too much of a risk to even consider it?
If he is healthy, he brings something missing from the team, i still extend him but drop a year. 2 years, 3M per.
Why give another 2nd rounder for Clowe when there are similar players through FA available for the picking? (Clarkson, Stalberg) I just don't get the logic behind extending him and free fully throwing away another asset.

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Why give another 2nd rounder for Clowe when there are similar players through FA available for the picking? (Clarkson, Stalberg) I just don't get the logic behind extending him and free fully throwing away another asset.
Would your stance change if we get past this round in the playoffs?
Stalberg is also completely different. I would love to have him, but he's not nearly as physical and he's also super fast as opposed to dinosaur slow. He also has a history of not showing up in the playoffs, while Clowe has the opposite.

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Why give another 2nd rounder for Clowe when there are similar players through FA available for the picking? (Clarkson, Stalberg) I just don't get the logic behind extending him and free fully throwing away another asset.
Do Clarkson or Stalberg bring what Clowe brings? i don't think so. I want nothing to do with Clarkson, he is going to be asking for a lot of moeny and he is not worth it.
Stalberg has a different skillset than Clowe.
Does this team need more grit or more speed?
As to the 2nd rd pick going the other way, you have a valid point, i should have phrased it better.
If he is healthy AND the Rangers win the Boston series ... because then they'd have to give up that 2nd rd pick anyway.

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05-21-2013, 05:32 PM
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Ranger disease, Clowe comes here and he's been injured 3 times already

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Do Clarkson or Stalberg bring what Clowe brings? i don't think so. I want nothing to do with Clarkson, he is going to be asking for a lot of moeny and he is not worth it.
Stalberg has a different skillset than Clowe.
Does this team need more grit or more speed?
As to the 2nd rd pick going the other way, you have a valid point, i should have phrased it better.
If he is healthy AND the Rangers win the Boston series ... because then they'd have to give up that 2nd rd pick anyway.
Clarkson and Stalberg I'd argue bring a lot more than Clowe. One, they both wreck havoc on the forecheck. And they're not as terrible skaters as Clowe and better defensive players. You want to stay away from Clarkson due to financial reasons, but assume Clowe will settle for a discount? Add this Clowe trade to another one of Sather's deadline blunders along with Antropov, Morris and McCabe. Tossing picks away for nothing.

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Do Clarkson or Stalberg bring what Clowe brings? i don't think so. I want nothing to do with Clarkson, he is going to be asking for a lot of moeny and he is not worth it.
Stalberg has a different skillset than Clowe.
Does this team need more grit or more speed?
As to the 2nd rd pick going the other way, you have a valid point, i should have phrased it better.
If he is healthy AND the Rangers win the Boston series ... because then they'd have to give up that 2nd rd pick anyway.
Clarkson is great in the corners and behind the net, especially with a defender draped on his back. He's a puck possession machine despite his overall skating hindrances. The Rangers could use his attributes assuming he doesn't want to be paid like a star with some huge megadeal.


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Ranger disease, Clowe comes here and he's been injured 3 times already
Could be Shark-itis. Once the playoffs start, you get injured.

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Pass. This was a pretty awful season for the guy and his career as a ranger was cut short unfortunately, but unless he takes a 1 or 2 yr deal for reasonable $ we shouldn't give a second look.

I'd rather focus on Clarkson

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Pass. This was a pretty awful season for the guy and his career as a ranger was cut short unfortunately, but unless he takes a 1 or 2 yr deal for reasonable $ we shouldn't give a second look.

I'd rather focus on Clarkson
Stay away from Clarkson. They are the same age. Clarkson has rocks for brains. He is a glorified grinder.

Also, he is another RW

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Clarkson would be as bad of a signing as every other in recent memory.

Stay far, far away.

If Clowe was concussed twice they have to pass. But when healthy Clowe was 10x the hockey player as Clarkson. Offensively, physically, overall hockey IQ, etc.

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