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05-16-2013, 11:58 AM
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Which young team is on it's way to win the Cup this year? I think the only "young" team left is OTT.
LA isn't old.

Chicago isn't old.

Pittsburgh's core is under 27 (young by my assessment).

I don't think any are advocating for an Oilers type youth movement.

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You can't have tremendous upside if your a zero offense defensive dman.

He's a good player, could play a top 4 shutdown role for a long time, but isn't there.

To be honest, where Tanev projects and his anticipated salary bracket should be the compensation is nothing.


He should not be getting over $1.6m period, he's unlikely to crack $1.3m IMO.

3 years 3.6m, ending with one RFA year left.
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Set up the radar gun. Start with a 1.2m offer. "Ok Chris, let'er rip. For every mph over over 75 we'll add 100k onto the offer."

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05-16-2013, 12:19 PM
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3 years 3.6m, ending with one RFA year left.
I'd suggest making it two years so he has absolutely no leverage at the end (whereas he could file for arbitration and be a UFA the next year if we signed a 3 year deal now).

The rest of your post I completely agree with.

I'd be comfortable with him in the top 4 next year with either Garrison or Hamhuis but not really with Edler for some reason.

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I'd suggest making it two years so he has absolutely no leverage at the end (whereas he could file for arbitration and be a UFA the next year if we signed a 3 year deal now).

The rest of your post I completely agree with.

I'd be comfortable with him in the top 4 next year with either Garrison or Hamhuis but not really with Edler for some reason.
Actually I think Tanev is the perfect partner for Edler. He's the only righty with a sound defensive game, so Edler doesn't have to be moved to his off-side or be paired with Bieksa.

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05-16-2013, 12:45 PM
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You can't have tremendous upside if your a zero offense defensive dman.

He's a good player, could play a top 4 shutdown role for a long time, but isn't there.

To be honest, where Tanev projects and his anticipated salary bracket should be the compensation is nothing.


He should not be getting over $1.6m period, he's unlikely to crack $1.3m IMO.

3 years 3.6m, ending with one RFA year left.
why can't you have tremendous upside in a shut down role? i disagree. vehemently lol

sure, he isn't there yet. that's why we're bantering around the term 'upside'

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05-16-2013, 12:49 PM
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Alright so if we want to get young and re-sign Tanev we have to get rid of Ballard and Booth.

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Edler, Tanev, Corrado are all young and its good to have some veteran experience on the defense.

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05-16-2013, 12:52 PM
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05-16-2013, 12:53 PM
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Alright so if we want to get young and re-sign Tanev we have to get rid of Ballard and Booth.

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Edler, Tanev, Corrado are all young and its good to have some veteran experience on the defense.
i say either Scuderi/Leopold/Hainsey if you want experience. If you want youth Kostka.

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^So I guess we lose Schroeder to waivers? Seems like good asset management.

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why can't you have tremendous upside in a shut down role? i disagree. vehemently lol

sure, he isn't there yet. that's why we're bantering around the term 'upside'
I guess you can. But how much do the best Pure Shut down defensman in the league make?

Lots of these guys still put up 30+ points.


"tremendous upside" for me is a guy who can play at both ends. I don't think anyone would argue that Willie Mitchell ever had tremendous upside. Good player, good shut down player, but a guy like Subban and Doughty have tremendous upside because they put up numbers and do what we hope Tanev can do ie. shutdown the opposition.

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Alright so if we want to get young and re-sign Tanev we have to get rid of Ballard and Booth.

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Edler, Tanev, Corrado are all young and its good to have some veteran experience on the defense.
Poor old Garrison, back to the press box

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05-16-2013, 12:57 PM
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Alright so if we want to get young and re-sign Tanev we have to get rid of Ballard and Booth.

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Edler, Tanev, Corrado are all young and its good to have some veteran experience on the defense.
What does Booth have to do with Tanev?

Don't forget our best defensman, Jason Garrison.

^^^

Beaten to the JG comment.

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05-16-2013, 01:01 PM
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^So I guess we lose Schroeder to waivers? Seems like good asset management.
if Schroeder needs waiver, keep him on roster, and keep Lain down..

btw i think we should make a push for Frolik. Great defensively, very young and a 40pt player before movng to CHI and play 5-7 Less EV+PP Minuets.

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05-16-2013, 01:11 PM
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I really hope we re-sign Alberts as opposed to most of the retread veteran options people are penciling into their rosters.

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I really hope we re-sign Alberts as opposed to most of the retread veteran options people are penciling into their rosters.
He's an ideal 7th defensemen imo. Hopefully our new coach resists the urge to play him in front of better players to add size to the lineup.

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if Schroeder needs waiver, keep him on roster, and keep Lain down..

btw i think we should make a push for Frolik. Great defensively, very young and a 40pt player before movng to CHI and play 5-7 Less EV+PP Minuets.
Frolik is terrible and grossly overpaid for what he brings.

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He's an ideal 7th defensemen imo. Hopefully our new coach resists the urge to play him in front of better players to add size to the lineup.
I think he walks if he looks at the depth chart and sees 6 guys ahead of him. There's teams where he could get a regular shift.

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Frolik is terrible and grossly overpaid for what he brings.
2.3M for a good defensive 3rd liner who is still 25 and has put up 40pts playing 15-17 minuets a night, where now he plays 9-11 with CHI...

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2.3M for a good defensive 3rd liner who is still 25 and has put up 40pts playing 15-17 minuets a night, where now he plays 9-11 with CHI...
I was going to point out the typo but in the case of Frolik perhaps "minuets" is appropriate..

Not a player we should be looking at given this teams needs (either legitimate top liners or simply bigger, more effective depth players) in my opinion.

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I really hope we re-sign Alberts as opposed to most of the retread veteran options people are penciling into their rosters.
It all depends on the price and length of deal. At current price/length - no.

One year deal *and* less money? Sure; but I'm guessing he can get more elsewhere.

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It all depends on the price and length of deal. At current price/length - no.

One year deal *and* less money? Sure; but I'm guessing he can get more elsewhere.
Given his performance in the playoffs (and even the regular season), assuming we can't find somebody better and cheaper, I have no problem bringing him back at the same salary for 2 years. The thing is, he's good enough to be a #6 or even #5 regular on a worse team so he might depart for that reason rather than because he wants more money than we can give him.

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I think he walks if he looks at the depth chart and sees 6 guys ahead of him. There's teams where he could get a regular shift.
I agree. He's not going to re-sign here to sit in the pressbox for 50 games a season.

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2.3M for a good defensive 3rd liner who is still 25 and has put up 40pts playing 15-17 minuets a night, where now he plays 9-11 with CHI...
He's a 4th liner.

He gets most of his minutes on the PK.

There is a reason he no longer gets 16-17 minutes.

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Daniel-Henrik-Hansen
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Garrison/Tanev
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Edler/Corrado
Alberts

Schneider
xxx

That's the team I'd like to move forward with. If we can fill those spots with the right players, we'll be back at the top imo. No more bargain bin shopping, we need guys that can make significant contributions.

2nd line wing spot has to be someone that can help drive play, not just a passenger.

3rd line centre has to be good defensively and able to contribute a little offensively. Big and good skater would certainly help. We need 22 year old Ryan Kesler.

Both have to be ultra competitive and one has to be a young guy on a nice contract.

We need a veteran LH centre that's good on draws on the 4th line. Moving Lapierre to the wing gives us more faceoff ability and centre depth.

We need a good, veteran backup.

This team can be transformed with with three or four key additions imo.

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Given his performance in the playoffs (and even the regular season), assuming we can't find somebody better and cheaper, I have no problem bringing him back at the same salary for 2 years. The thing is, he's good enough to be a #6 or even #5 regular on a worse team so he might depart for that reason rather than because he wants more money than we can give him.
He is perfectly fine as a full time, third-pairing guy if he plays a like he did last season. Dumping Ballard and Barker leaving Alberts, Corrado, and another guy in the 6, 7, and 8 spots is just fine for depth.

The money will be interesting. I could see two years, 2.7 million giving him a very minor raise on his previous deal.

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