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05-16-2013, 08:05 PM
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I was going to offer something very similar to this. I would much rather part with Girgensons/Ott/16th overall and maybe another piece for Kesler.

Buffalo has two very similar prospects in Zemgus Girgensons and Johan Larsson who are both defensive-minded, I would hate to lose Grigorenko. HATE.
Yeah I would hate to lose him too, but I don't know if this trade gets done without Grigs or Hodgson included. I'm a huge Zemgus fan so I'd hate to lose him too though, especially because he can play wing and thats where I think he's gonna end up with our center situation what it is.

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05-16-2013, 08:36 PM
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Grigorenko
Sekera/Ott
16th Overall

for Kesler

Close?
I don't want to trade Kesler for a Russian player, I know it sounds harsh but I don't want to deal with the Russian factor in contract talks and worry about them bolting, if Kesler was made available we could get a good Canadian boy or American boy. If we trade Kesler and Edler we have to be very careful with the return.

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05-16-2013, 08:44 PM
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Not chance we move Kesler. Heart and soul of the team, it's like Boston trading Bergeron or St.Louis trading Backes it's just not gonna happen.

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05-16-2013, 08:48 PM
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Not chance we move Kesler. Heart and soul of the team, it's like Boston trading Bergeron or St.Louis trading Backes it's just not gonna happen.
Agree there is no way that Vancouver cuts ties with Kesler not going to happen.

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05-16-2013, 09:15 PM
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If Vancouver trades Kesler they will want proven roster players back. team is re-tooling, not re-building - Team and management getting way too much flak for 2 unsuccessful years in the playoffs.

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05-16-2013, 09:19 PM
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Move the one player who showed some heart out there.

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05-16-2013, 09:27 PM
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Trade Edler for Ryan
Schneider for Couturier
Trade Sedins for a Winger + Pick


Ryan - Kesler - Burrows
Winger - Roy - Higgins
Hansen - Couturier - Kassian

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05-16-2013, 09:52 PM
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Trade Edler for Ryan
Schneider for Couturier
Trade Sedins for a Winger + Pick


Ryan - Kesler - Burrows
Winger - Roy - Higgins
Hansen - Couturier - Kassian
Keep the sedins.
Trade Luongo + for Couturier

Ryan - Kesler - Burrows
Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Hansen - Couturier - Higgins
Weiss - Gordon - Lapierre

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Garrison - Tanev
Alberts - Corrado

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I probably wouldn't want to do this but what would you guys think of a Rielly+Grabovski for Kesler deal?

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I probably wouldn't want to do this but what would you guys think of a Rielly+Grabovski for Kesler deal?
Using the Carter/Richards trades as a template:

Rielly = Schenn, Couturier
Voracek/Simmonds >> Grabovski

I'd ask for JVR instead of Grabovski. Toronto likely wouldn't pay that, but it's what I'd ask.

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05-16-2013, 10:34 PM
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I probably wouldn't want to do this but what would you guys think of a Rielly+Grabovski for Kesler deal?
Grabovski has little to no value. He makes more than Kesler! No interest at all in him.

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I don't want to trade Kesler for a Russian player, I know it sounds harsh but I don't want to deal with the Russian factor in contract talks and worry about them bolting, if Kesler was made available we could get a good Canadian boy or American boy. If we trade Kesler and Edler we have to be very careful with the return.
...Seriously?

There is basically no Russian factor with Grigorenko. He played all of his junior years in NA and speaks great english, meaning that he has been assimilated to the culture here. He wants to be an NHL star, not a KHL homebody scrub like Radulov....

Do you even know who the Russian factor has applied to? Players that trained their entire lives in Russia and were drafted from there, not North American junior prospects like Grigs.

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05-16-2013, 11:34 PM
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Its funny how I as an Oilers fan offer MPS, 7OV and a second for Kesler. Most likely an underpayment.

And you as a Canuck fan offer Edler for Eberle and a 1st. Another under payment.

I wonder where a neutral person would consider the value here?

In my proposal I tried to centre it around what Jeff Carter got from Columbus.

Jeff Carter for Voracek, 8thOV and a third.

Voracek>MPS
8thOV < 7OV
3rd < 2nd

I would even be willing to swap MPS with Gagner if the canucks have more interest in him instead.
Voracek>>>MPS

At the time Voracek was traded he put up 46 points, 50 the season before.

Not as close to the Carter deal as you think.

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05-16-2013, 11:43 PM
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...Seriously?

There is basically no Russian factor with Grigorenko. He played all of his junior years in NA and speaks great english, meaning that he has been assimilated to the culture here. He wants to be an NHL star, not a KHL homebody scrub like Radulov....

Do you even know who the Russian factor has applied to? Players that trained their entire lives in Russia and were drafted from there, not North American junior prospects like Grigs.
The Russian factor is still there, khl can tempt him with big money and playing near family and at "home" I just don't want to risk that with the return for Kesler, we don't have a ton of "futures" so we just need to be smart about it, I would rather someone a bit more proven, how about Hodgson?

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Using the Carter/Richards trades as a template:

Rielly = Schenn, Couturier
Voracek/Simmonds >> Grabovski

I'd ask for JVR instead of Grabovski. Toronto likely wouldn't pay that, but it's what I'd ask.
From here on out, JVR is probably going to be the more productive player between him and Kesler, so I can understand why you'd ask for that.

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I probably wouldn't want to do this but what would you guys think of a Rielly+Grabovski for Kesler deal?
God no.

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Aside from his diving antics, I've always had a huge man crush on Kesler. Would totally get behind something around a Koivu for Kesler deal. Shakeup deal for both teams.

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Aside from his diving antics, I've always had a huge man crush on Kesler. Would totally get behind something around a Koivu for Kesler deal. Shakeup deal for both teams.
I would love to have Koivu but if we're trading Kesler it would be for a youth movement so a Koivu for Kesler would kinda defeat that purpose.

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Keep the sedins.
Trade Luongo + for Couturier

Ryan - Kesler - Burrows
Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Hansen - Couturier - Higgins
Weiss - Gordon - Lapierre

Hamhuis - Bieksa
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That's laughable. No way we take Luongo on his current contract, especially not at the cost of Couturier. I'll wait until he gets bought out, which is looking like the only option right about now for you guys. No matter what you Canuck fans think, nobody is going to take that contract. GM's who are interested won't give up anything and force you into a corner until you're forced to amnesty him.

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A GM will take Luongo, they just won't give anything up for him, which is understandable.

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...Seriously?

There is basically no Russian factor with Grigorenko. He played all of his junior years in NA and speaks great english, meaning that he has been assimilated to the culture here. He wants to be an NHL star, not a KHL homebody scrub like Radulov....

Do you even know who the Russian factor has applied to? Players that trained their entire lives in Russia and were drafted from there, not North American junior prospects like Grigs.


Lol oh the irony

There is another Russian player I can think of who also spent 2 years in the chl (like grigorenko). In-fact he also played for the Quebec remparts. He also said he wants to play in the best league in the world aka the NHL. He is the only player to have bolted from his nhl contract back to Russia. Care to guess who?

HINT: his name is in ur post... Infact I even bolded it

This guy I'm speaking of also coincidentally the guy who re-started the whole "Russian factor". Who would have thunk it?!?


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Good post. I'd love an Eberle + 1st for Edler


Do you mean Edler + 1st for Eberle? Because the Canucks would take Eberle+ for Edler and run away laughing.

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Aside from his diving antics, I've always had a huge man crush on Kesler. Would totally get behind something around a Koivu for Kesler deal. Shakeup deal for both teams.
Comparable players for sure. But Kesler's contract is better, so I'd keep him.

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Would Vancouver entertain.....

Kesler and Edler

for

Couturier and 11th overall?
As others have said, that gets you one, with something of ours of a lesser note going to the Flyers depending on who is available.

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Kesler
Edler

vs./

Eller
N. Beaulieu
S. Collberg
Montreal's 1st pick (mid 20's)
No thank you. I may be undervaluing Beaulieu here, but Collberg, Eller and Montreal's first would be what I'd expect for either. I'm not opposed to trading a player like Edler to Montreal, but Kesler will cost pieces I don't think the Habs have, since I know most players I'd want are out of the discussion.

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MPS and 7thOV and a 2nd for Kesler

Swedish winger just starting to learn how he needs to play, potential franchise player (depending on who gets drafted) and a 2nd to sweeten the pot.
No thanks. It get repeated ad nauseum around here, but a big 4 player or it doesn't happen. MPS may have had a great season, but he's not a key piece in an interdivision trade for a star like Kesler.

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LoL you wouldn't get that for Edler.

Maybe Eberle straight up.
Eberle for Edler? I'd be hesitant (as you seem to be with the maybe), but that probably means the value is close.

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I'd really like the Wings to go after Edler but I think the price for him would be Smith+Tatar with possibly more having to back. If we say Smith is off the table as is Jarnkrok & Nyquist is there a deal to be made? Something around Sproul/Ouellet++?
Smith would have to be included, and I'm not super high on him. If you're biggest three prospects are off the table though, there really isn't anything we'd want back for Edler I'm afraid.

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9th overall 2013
Jon Merrill
Conditional 3rd if NJ makes the playoffs in 2014



Ryan Kesler
Someone offered Urbom and your first for Kesler, with I think a salary/cap dump. My response was the same as it is here, a polite "no thank you".

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Grigorenko
Sekera/Ott
16th Overall

for Kesler

Close?
I like Grigs, the first is lower then some of the other offers, but it's not bad. I think if we move Kesler (combined with reports of dropping Lapierre), someone like Ott would be misplaced coming back. Sekera isn't a favourite of mine either, is there another roster player that Buffalo would surrender?

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MPS and 7thOV and a 2nd for Kesler

Swedish winger just starting to learn how he needs to play, potential franchise player (depending on who gets drafted) and a 2nd to sweeten the pot.
depending on who is left, this would be of interest

Although I am really high on MPS. You guys would probably have to sweeten the pot a little though

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