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05-17-2013, 11:41 AM
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Excluding his rookie season and this past season, he's scored at over a 20 goal pace every year of his career, how is that a reach? Has he reached that age where he's prone to people falling sideways on his joints?
Last year Booth had one goal in 12 games, and even that was only an empty-netter. He isn't able to string together any sort of consistency. He's certainly not worth anything near his cap hit, and the odds are he'll be missing a large portion of games next season as well.

If we intend to make serious changes this offseason, Booth has to go.

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05-17-2013, 11:43 AM
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Even if Booth were healthy, that's a reach. Booth's time is up here imo.
It's not a reach at all.

It's what Dave Booth does. The debate has gone on for months (I ignored the booth thread though, so not sure if its still going on).

Dave Booth's career average is 0.28goals per game. That is 23 goals.

That's including his ONE 31 goal season, his early years before establishing himself, and of course his time in Vancouver playing in a "shotty" system, not having any time to develop chemistry, and being injured (I'm also annoyed that people want to blame Booth for getting kneed, and getting injured against the Wings this year).

Booth with Schroeder should be tried, why re-invent something, when we've never even seen what these two can do together over time.

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Last year Booth had one goal in 12 games, and even that was only an empty-netter. He isn't able to string together any sort of consistency. He's certainly not worth anything near his cap hit, and the odds are he'll be missing a large portion of games next season as well.

If we intend to make serious changes this offseason, Booth has to go.
Agree to disagree I guess. Can someone find those stats that show who Booth's linemates were last year? My work blocks the advanced stats sites.

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Last year Booth had one goal in 12 games, and even that was only an empty-netter. He isn't able to string together any sort of consistency. He's certainly not worth anything near his cap hit, and the odds are he'll be missing a large portion of games next season as well.

If we intend to make serious changes this offseason, Booth has to go.
12 game sample tells you more than 377 game sample?

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12 game sample tells you more than 377 game sample?
On HFBoards it obviously does.

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05-17-2013, 11:50 AM
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12 game sample tells you more than 377 game sample?
Booth is an injury-prone 20-20 guy. Having him in our top-6 reduces the effectiveness of our team. Especially at 4.25 mil. If he were at Higgins money then I'd be okay with keeping him on the 3rd line, maybe with Schroeder. But getting rid of him to clear cap space to add a legitimate top-6 player would make us a better team.

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05-17-2013, 11:58 AM
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On HFBoards it obviously does.
It's so annoying isn't it?

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2006-2007 PANTHERS 48 3 7 10 0 12 0 0 1 86 3.5
2006-2007 ROCHESTER AMERICANS-AHL 25 7 7 14 8 26 0 2 0
2007-2008 PANTHERS 73 22 18 40 13 26 1 0 6 228 9.6
2007-2008 UNITED STATES-WC-A 7 1 0 1 2
2008-2009 PANTHERS 72 31 29 60 10 38 11 0 5 246 12.6
2009-2010 PANTHERS 28 8 8 16 -3 23 0 0 1 95 8.4
2010-2011 PANTHERS 82 23 17 40 -31 26 8 0 3 280 8.2
2011-2012 PANTHERS 6 0 1 1 -6 2 0 0 0 14 0.0
2011-2012 CANUCKS 56 16 13 29 1 32 3 0 1 145 11.0
2012-2013 CANUCKS 12 1 2 3 -3 4 0 0 0 27 3.7
Not sure how this is going to look, but I'll try it out anyways.

Career 104 goals in 377 games. 0.275Goals per game. 22.6 goal pace over 82.

First full season (07-08) 22 goals in 73 games. 0.30 goals per game. 24.7 goal pace over 82.

Career Season (08-09). 31 goals in 72 games. 0.43 goals per game. 35.3 goal pace over 82.

Bad injury year (09-10) 8 goals in 28 games. 0.286 goals per game. 23.4 goal pace over 82.

Final full season in FLA (10-11) 23 goals in 82 games. 0.28 goals per game. Obviously, 23 goals over 82.

First year in Vancouver (11-12). 16 goals in 62 games (6 with FLA...56 with Vancouver). The pace dropped. 0.258 goals per game. 21.16 goal pace over 82. If you only look at his pace in Vancouver it's bang on his career pace (and thats with an awful slump near the end).

This year: 12 games.


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05-17-2013, 12:01 PM
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Booth is an injury-prone 20-20 guy. Having him in our top-6 reduces the effectiveness of our team. Especially at 4.25 mil. If he were at Higgins money then I'd be okay with keeping him on the 3rd line, maybe with Schroeder. But getting rid of him to clear cap space to add a legitimate top-6 player would make us a better team.
His main injuries have been a concussion from a dirty hit, being kneed, and being fallen on. Those don't make you injury prone. That's just **** happening.

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05-17-2013, 12:11 PM
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His main injuries have been a concussion from a dirty hit, being kneed, and being fallen on. Those don't make you injury prone. That's just **** happening.
He's only played a full season once in the past 4 years. He's not worth his cap space, and it can be better utilized elsewhere.

If by dropping Booth we can make room for Jagr, I do that in a heartbeat.

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He's only played a full season once in the past 4 years. He's not worth his cap space, and it can be better utilized elsewhere.

If by dropping Booth we can make room for Jagr, I do that in a heartbeat.
Me too.

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05-17-2013, 12:15 PM
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12 game sample tells you more than 377 game sample?
Agreed. Despite Booth's lack of production this year and his inability to stay healthy I wouldn't mind keeping him for another year. I agree with what Vankiller Whale is saying but I'd like to see what Booth could do in a full season here, if he blows or gets injured buy him out next year.

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He's only played a full season once in the past 4 years. He's not worth his cap space, and it can be better utilized elsewhere.

If by dropping Booth we can make room for Jagr, I do that in a heartbeat.
Jagr has looked slow, easy to check and ineffective in the playoffs. A non factor

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Let's rest our hopes on an old as hell, ineffective Jagr.

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Let's rest our hopes on an old as hell, ineffective Jagr.
Hey, all we have to give away to make room is a really fast power forward in his prime who's good for 20 goals a year. Those guys grow on trees.

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05-17-2013, 12:42 PM
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Power forward. Lol.

And Jagr is .5 PPG these playoffs despite having spent all but two games on the 3rd line. Every time he's out there for the Bruins it seems like he's generating chances.

Old he is, but ineffective he most certainly is not.

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What part about this being a business is not being understood? Are playoff rounds worth more, or is rebuilding worth more? And before this gets into the place where we automatically assume a rebuild nets a stronger team in the future, as a guarantee, let's stop it right here. Most rebuilding teams never make it back to match their initial state of success. Some take 5+ years to get there. It is not a given.

There's a reason Canadian teams try to squeeze every last ounce out of a competitive group before succumbing to a rebuild. It's about money.

So when a GM is faced with these two alternatives, undoubtedly, most go with the rational and conservative approach. As they should. Because this is about money and not delirious armchair fantasies.
So we are cheering for this team to make Aquilini more money now? Or do we want this team to win a Stanley Cup?

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Power forward. Lol.

And Jagr is .5 PPG these playoffs despite having spent all but two games on the 3rd line. Every time he's out there for the Bruins it seems like he's generating chances.

Old he is, but ineffective he most certainly is not.
lol he plays 18 minuets a night.... and only 1 of those 4 points have been primary assists and not on the PP, who doesnt play the physical style like Gillis wants.

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On HFBoards it obviously does.
Yep. On Hfboards 20 goal scorer also means the guy scores precisely 1 goal every 4 games. Not sure how a 100 point player manages to score exactly 1.22 points every single game but they must......

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05-17-2013, 01:09 PM
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lol he plays 18 minuets a night.... and only 1 of those 4 points have been primary assists and not on the PP, who doesnt play the physical style like Gillis wants.
Until recently those 18 minutes per night were with Kelly and Peverly. First game on the 2nd line he assists the game-tying goal in game 7. Game 1 vs the Rangers he was solid, but Lundqvist put on a clinic, so he failed to get on the scoresheet.

It seems like everyone is saying "He's old so he must suck."

He's slower and has less stamina, but he's still a very good player. He scored more goals than anyone on our team this year.

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Gillis is going to have to make some tough decisions this summer, but dropping Booth isn't one of them. If this was some other year, with the Canucks not being WAY over the cap, not having been knocked out in the first round twice in a row, and Booth not having either been injured or played terribly, then I could see him possibly getting another shot.

But this year? Not a chance. Shedding Booth's salary is going to be one of the easiest, and probably first, decisions that Gillis will make this summer.

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Gillis is going to have to make some tough decisions this summer, but dropping Booth isn't one of them. If this was some other year, with the Canucks not being WAY over the cap, not having been knocked out in the first round twice in a row, and Booth not having either been injured or played terribly, then I could see him possibly getting another shot.

But this year? Not a chance. Shedding Booth's salary is going to be one of the easiest, and probably first, decisions that Gillis will make this summer.
lol you clearly know nothing as he cannot be bought out atm since he's hurt.

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lol you clearly know nothing as he cannot be bought out atm since he's hurt.
He's projected to be healthy by the time the buyout period rolls around. Shouldn't be a problem.

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lol you clearly know nothing as he cannot be bought out atm since he's hurt.
Says the guy advocating to keep David Booth :laugh

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I know this may sound idiotic but since everyone obsessed with snipers, if the Wild buy out Heatley would we have any interest? For anything less than 4 million I know I would.

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Botchford brought up a point about the Canucks potentially using one of their amnesty buyouts in order to take back a bad contract in a Luongo trade, thus gaining more value in return. Buyout Booth, trade Ballard while retaining some salary and buyout a bad contract from another team that is weary of taking on Luongo's full contract. Could be an option.

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