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Jordan Eberle to the Islanders?

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05-17-2013, 01:07 AM
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Interesting, you cite that you measure a player over their career yet you choose to highlight Eberle's best season and that 'you can't take it away from him' and use that as the benchmark. Disguising using Okposo's best statistical season to give the illusion that you're judging them fairly too. Very clever.

So, in the same vein as your last statement... is Eberle's past season the new benchmark for him? Was his last season a statistical outlier as a result of a highly publicized 'unsustainable' shooting percentage? So who's being fair?

And besides, no one is arguing that Okposo carries a higher value than Eberle. You were referring to Hamonic AND Okposo.
Well obviously it would be unfair to poor Kyle to compare best seasons. Maybe he and isles fans would feel better if we compared Eberle's worst to Okposo's best?

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05-17-2013, 01:10 AM
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Well obviously it would be unfair to poor Kyle to compare best seasons. Maybe he and isles fans would feel better if we compared Eberle's worst to Okposo's best?
Dd you even read what you quoted? He clearly said no one was comparing the two side by side....

Nice try though A+ for effort.

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05-17-2013, 01:13 AM
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The Oilers need to add grit and size yet fans want them to draft a forward in the first round instead of a guy like Nurse. GM got fired because he didn't address needs. I root for Edmonton to succeed so I support them but I really think management needs to adjust to today's game
Maybe you should take a look at our defensive prospects. They aren't exactly the smallest bunch out there.

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i wouldn't trade hamonic for eberle straight up

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05-17-2013, 07:00 AM
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For Eberle it would tak a pretty sweet package:

Eberle

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Hamonic
Okposo
Nelson

That's a pretty god deal and would be what it would take
What's wrong with you?this is horrendous

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05-17-2013, 08:35 AM
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unproven defenseman Hamonic. An Islander fan might not think so because he just knows Hamonic will turn out to be Karlsson 2.0, but I have my doubts. Primarily because of his point production. "But smackdaddy, he's a defensive defenseman he doesn't need to score points". Don't worry, I know! Because historically defensive/shut down D have much lower value than their flashy counter-parts. I'm still waiting for the offensive numbers we were promised when Hamonic was drafted, too.

Boy it's like you think just like Tambellini. Only looking for offensive skill and totally unaware that a hockey team needs other elements to succeed. And when was Hamonic ever touted as offensively gifted? Not a single Islander fan ever thought of him as Karlsson 2.0 but nice try.

Hammer would instantly be your number 1 Dman paired with J. Schultz eating up 22 minutes a night.

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i wouldn't trade hamonic for eberle straight up

I came here to post that. With the offensive talent the Islanders already have, Hammer for Eberle would make our team significantly worse.

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05-17-2013, 11:00 AM
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Eberle for Reinhart seems like a pretty fair trade IMO.
Despite the salary difference I would do this because the Isles now have enough big physical defenseman in the system. I think the Isles would have to add to make it work

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Despite the salary difference I would do this because the Isles now have enough big physical defenseman in the system. I think the Isles would have to add to make it work

Agreed Reinhart is a good starting point for this deal that will never happen anyways

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05-17-2013, 11:50 AM
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Eberle is a 22 year old point per game player. Career point per game extremely similar to Tavares. Not saying there in the same category but just reminding you that in no way is Eberle not gonna take a special package to part ways with. I'd want Okposo and Hamonic for Eberle to be honest.

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05-17-2013, 11:52 AM
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Eberle is a 22 year old point per game player. Career point per game extremely similar to Tavares. Not saying there in the same category but just reminding you that in no way is Eberle not gonna take a special package to part ways with. I'd want Okposo and Hamonic for Eberle to be honest.
extremely similar to Tavares. Not saying there in the same category


Ok I am officially done with this thread.

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05-17-2013, 12:04 PM
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Eberle is a 22 year old point per game player. Career point per game extremely similar to Tavares. Not saying there in the same category but just reminding you that in no way is Eberle not gonna take a special package to part ways with. I'd want Okposo and Hamonic for Eberle to be honest.
From what Snow and the NY press report.....
Isles are not looking to add a $6m winger.
Isles are not looking to trade core youngsters like Okposo and Hamonic.
Isles are not looking to find Tavares winger outside the organization, with Strome/Nino/Nelson in the pipeline.

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extremely similar to Tavares. Not saying there in the same category


Ok I am officially done with this thread.
People like this make me laugh, he said his PPG is similar to Tavares but Tavares is a better player. So now your "done with this thread" lol, you can't handel JT and Eberle being said in the same sentence even if he was making a factual statement? People need to chill out here, I've never understood this mentality of people getting so fired about people chatting on a forum.

As for the topic in this thread, I'd say Eberle = Hamonic in terms of value. With Eberle's new contract and needs on defense I doubt they would ever make a deal 1 for 1, but what kind of contract do you think Hamonic is going to get?

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Reinhart, Nelson and our first rounder do anything for the Oiler fans?

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Reinhart, Nelson and our first rounder do anything for the Oiler fans?
That's way too much for a player THAT WE DO NOT NEED.

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05-17-2013, 12:33 PM
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From what Snow and the NY press report.....
Isles are not looking to add a $6m winger.
Isles are not looking to trade core youngsters like Okposo and Hamonic.
Isles are not looking to find Tavares winger outside the organization, with Strome/Nino/Nelson in the pipeline.
So at what point are the Islanders looking to compete? Because paying to retain talent and finding good talent for your franchise player is necessary to go from 1st round purgatory to contender.

Looks like Snow is on a lean budget and is counting on those ELC's a bit heavily. Is the Brooklyn move poised to change that or will the Isles be moving their young players once they starting asking for fair market value?

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extremely similar to Tavares. Not saying there in the same category


Ok I am officially done with this thread.
What could I have possibly said wrong? I stated a fact, if your not impressed with this thread cause of that your mad at a fact.. I'm sure all Islanders fans or all CALCULATORS can agree that Eberle and Tavares are only .05 apart on career PPG. I am not saying Eberle is better or even just as good, just simply stating a mathematical fact. Just wanted to remind fans that to average a PPG level at that young is extremely rare in this league, so much so that Eberle is almost producing as much as a "hart" nominee.

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People like this make me laugh, he said his PPG is similar to Tavares but Tavares is a better player. So now your "done with this thread" lol, you can't handel JT and Eberle being said in the same sentence even if he was making a factual statement? People need to chill out here, I've never understood this mentality of people getting so fired about people chatting on a forum.

As for the topic in this thread, I'd say Eberle = Hamonic in terms of value. With Eberle's new contract and needs on defense I doubt they would ever make a deal 1 for 1, but what kind of contract do you think Hamonic is going to get?
Isles have signed core youngsters to 5-6 yr extensions.

Looking at the Subban and Del Zotto bridge deals, that were in the $2.5m range and Carlson's deal ($4m per), I'm hoping for a 5-6 yr deal averaging $3.5m.

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Isles have signed core youngsters to 5-6 yr extensions.

Looking at the Subban and Del Zotto bridge deals, that were in the $2.5m range and Carlson's deal ($4m per), I'm hoping for a 5-6 yr deal averaging $3.5m.
That's what I was thinking too. It fits the salary structure the Isles have set up.

With Bailey up for a new deal also, every key member of the core should be locked up for a 4-5 year span. I give Snow props for being very fiscally responsible, mostly out of necessity while the Isles were doing everything in their power to circumvent the cap.

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So at what point are the Islanders looking to compete? Because paying to retain talent and finding good talent for your franchise player is necessary to go from 1st round purgatory to contender.

Looks like Snow is on a lean budget and is counting on those ELC's a bit heavily. Is the Brooklyn move poised to change that or will the Isles be moving their young players once they starting asking for fair market value?
Right off the bat the move generates an extra 35 Million a year so yes I would say that it will make a huge difference.

What is the problem with promoting from within the organization?
Do you really believe anything any GM says to the media?

Basically since the end of the 2005-06 season both of our teams have sucked and because of that we have been able to stockpile young talent.
Might as well stay the course...

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So at what point are the Islanders looking to compete? Because paying to retain talent and finding good talent for your franchise player is necessary to go from 1st round purgatory to contender.

Looks like Snow is on a lean budget and is counting on those ELC's a bit heavily. Is the Brooklyn move poised to change that or will the Isles be moving their young players once they starting asking for fair market value?
Isles rebuild started at the 2008 draft.
Isles just made the playoff.17 of their players, had zero playoff experience.
The core is 22-25 yrs old.

The isles last 5 first round picks, are not on the roster:Strome/Nino/De Haan/Nelson in the AHL and Reinhart in juniors.I have no problem with Snow looking for Tavares winger among Strome/Nino/Nelson.

Isles move from their money losing lease in 2 yrs.

Maybe a better question for Oiler fans, is a what point do the Oilers look to compete?

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That's way too much for a player THAT WE DO NOT NEED.
We need someone with top line skill to play with Tavares. We haven't had that in the four years he's been here. So we do NEED A PLAYER LIKE EBERLE

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We need someone with top line skill to play with Tavares. We haven't had that in the four years he's been here. So we do NEED A PLAYER LIKE EBERLE
Snow, the only one who's opinion matters, disagrees.

Isles used first round picks on Strome/Nino/Nelson. Now it's time to let them compete and see who becomes JT's rw.

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Isles have a budget and won't want to pay a winger $6m per. Especially not when they have potential wingers Strome/Nino/Nelson, knocking on the NHL door.

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