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05-16-2013, 01:06 PM
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To me, Staal's concussion experience makes it less likely that he would play the rest of the game and participate in practices if he suffered a concussion.
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05-16-2013, 01:07 PM
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Staal was skating every day until yesterday. Staal skated the morning after game 3. He skated the morning of game 4. He didn't skate the day after game 4. Staal skated when the series returned to DC for game 5. Staal spoke to the media that morning. He was on the trip to Washington for game 7 and skated Monday morning. The Rangers were off Tuesday. Staal didn't skate yesterday at practice. This morning was an optional. To say Staal stopped skating after game 3 is not accurate.

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05-16-2013, 01:23 PM
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Yes it does.

First of all, its extremely obvious following a sport like hockey. If the jaw/chin is caught by a shoulder/elbow, people are knocked cold. If someone is hit anywhere else in the head, 19/20 times there are no problems.

I played hockey until I was 21 y/o. I played in a men's league from when I was 16. Besides hurting my ears maybe, I never even felt pain from hits to the head anywhere but the jaw. And you have players falling on your head quite often in the game and what not (hitting the board head first with the top of your head when hit from behind etc), but then you where caught on the chin (and it didn't need to be particularly hard) and it was lights out and head ache for two weeks.

So there is definitely an enourmous diffrence betwee being hit in the jaw or like being hit to the side/back of the head. You have the helm protecting the rest of the head and it absorbs/spreads some of the impact, and;

Second of all, the explanation I've heard numerous times from doctors is basically that the jaw is pushed back into the brain somehow.

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In short, if you are hit to other parts of the head, you need the head to litterary move very fast and violently, but if you are hit to the jaw you just need enough force to slam the jaw back against the brain and that jaw isn't that strong...



That is true for sure, but you especially see people with concusssion problems suffer from these milder types of concussions. I definitely think they contribute largely to the concussion problems in hockey. IE, the "three" major concussions a player have had in themselves might not have done all that much damage, but besides those three you probably have 3 000 impacts that impacted the brain with some type of energy level and the 3 + 3 000 results in the problems we hear about.
^^^^ This is all accurate. I got my concussion because I got hit from behind and my head awkwardly angled into the boards and got pushed up and to the left. Was out cold, didn't even know where I was when I came to.

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05-16-2013, 01:27 PM
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Staal is on the trip to Boston. Clowe and Powe are not on the trip.

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05-16-2013, 01:34 PM
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Staal is on the trip to Boston. Clowe and Powe are not on the trip.
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05-16-2013, 01:44 PM
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Yes it does.

First of all, its extremely obvious following a sport like hockey. If the jaw/chin is caught by a shoulder/elbow, people are knocked cold. If someone is hit anywhere else in the head, 19/20 times there are no problems.

I played hockey until I was 21 y/o. I played in a men's league from when I was 16. Besides hurting my ears maybe, I never even felt pain from hits to the head anywhere but the jaw. And you have players falling on your head quite often in the game and what not (hitting the board head first with the top of your head when hit from behind etc), but then you where caught on the chin (and it didn't need to be particularly hard) and it was lights out and head ache for two weeks.

So there is definitely an enourmous diffrence betwee being hit in the jaw or like being hit to the side/back of the head. You have the helm protecting the rest of the head and it absorbs/spreads some of the impact, and;

Second of all, the explanation I've heard numerous times from doctors is basically that the jaw is pushed back into the brain somehow.

Just google:




In short, if you are hit to other parts of the head, you need the head to litterary move very fast and violently, but if you are hit to the jaw you just need enough force to slam the jaw back against the brain and that jaw isn't that strong...



That is true for sure, but you especially see people with concusssion problems suffer from these milder types of concussions. I definitely think they contribute largely to the concussion problems in hockey. IE, the "three" major concussions a player have had in themselves might not have done all that much damage, but besides those three you probably have 3 000 impacts that impacted the brain with some type of energy level and the 3 + 3 000 results in the problems we hear about.
While the jaw is a "hot button" so to speak, a shot to any part of the base of the skull can and will cause a concussion.

The jaw is more of an issue because it is more exposed.

As any boxing coach will tell you, it's the shots you don't see coming that will have you picking yourself up off the floor.

I've seen guys take monster shots to the jaw and walk right through it because they saw it coming. Flip side is I've seen dudes get completely laid out with much softer shots (sly-raps) because they were completely unaware.

In regards to guys in the NHL getting put to sleep, the majority of them, if not all of them, happened because the guy going to sleep had no clue they were about to get tapped.

It's not that the jaw is a hot spot, it's because it's the least protected and therefore most vulnerable area of the head.

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05-16-2013, 01:53 PM
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Speculation is one thing, but it is also a fact that Marc Staal went from skating hard every day and 'feeling good enough to contribute' for Game 3, to not skating in practice at all. He took a huge hit to the back of the head and this club doesn't disclose concussions so they would never reveal the extent of his, Clowe's, and Powe's injuries. I'm not saying all three are definitely concussed but ****, do the math.
It's more science than math.

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sucks about Staal and Clowe, but I'm fine with no Powe in the line up.

While decent defensively, he's an absolute nothing offensively and is no causes for concern in that regards when he's on the ice.

At least with Asham, he's got a good shot and has the size that when he goes to the net he disrupts things.


Powe is worth his weight in gold on the penalty kill.. Does a much better job than Nash, who quite frankly does not know how to play Torts' defensive system

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05-16-2013, 02:45 PM
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Powe is worth his weight in gold on the penalty kill.. Does a much better job than Nash, who quite frankly does not know how to play Torts' defensive system
Totally agree with you on Powe. He does a great job on the PK and never stops moving his feet, but who would come out if he came back? Kredier obviously. Who would come out if both he and Clowe came back (which is probably doubtful they both come back)??? I honestly don't wanna see Asham out of the lineup. We need that playoff experience someone with the ability to score on the 4th line.
Also our pk is probably not looking bad with Boyle back and playing well.

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Powe is worth his weight in gold on the penalty kill.. Does a much better job than Nash, who quite frankly does not know how to play Torts' defensive system
And without Powe we pretty much shut down the best PP in the league.

If you are not taking penalties, you do not need Powe.

He's a black hole when it comes to offensive contributions or keeping the puck down low.

He's as useful as teats on a bull.

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05-16-2013, 03:51 PM
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To me, Staal's concussion experience makes it less likely that he would play the rest of the game and participate in practices if he suffered a concussion.
He could have got the symptoms after the game which is why he continued to play.

And now he might be having good/bad days? I dunno, obviously I want to be wrong and hopefully am.

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Staal was skating every day until yesterday. Staal skated the morning after game 3. He skated the morning of game 4. He didn't skate the day after game 4. Staal skated when the series returned to DC for game 5. Staal spoke to the media that morning. He was on the trip to Washington for game 7 and skated Monday morning. The Rangers were off Tuesday. Staal didn't skate yesterday at practice. This morning was an optional. To say Staal stopped skating after game 3 is not accurate.
Its still accurate to say he isnt skating as much for some reason. If it was just his eye then he would want to continue to stay in game shape for a return.

And now we are getting reports he is IN boston but that he did not take the plan ride? More and more like a concussion if he is avoiding the plane.

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05-16-2013, 05:02 PM
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So he's in Boston but didn't fly with the team, so he drove there? Does that mean he couldn't fly with the team for a specific reason? : \

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So he's in Boston but didn't fly with the team, so he drove there? Does that mean he couldn't fly with the team for a specific reason? : \
Or maybe it just means that Staal had something to do down here before going up to Boston.

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This is the story of the Rangers, Staal's injury is killing us, this goes all the way back to Jean Ratelle's broken ankle, need to get Em out of there

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Is there anyone in the farm system that can replace Eminger until Staal is ready to play?

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Is there anyone in the farm system that can replace Eminger until Staal is ready to play?
A bunch, but none of them would be as competent in his role.

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For a spare defenseman, Eminger hasn't played all that horribly (certainly not Bickel-esque), but his pinches are killing the team. He has made some really bad reads that have led to penalties or goals against. I don't want him to be discouraged from stepping up and getting involved offensively, but he has to exercise better judgment in doing so.

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Its Eminger or Hamrlik/Gilroy. Eminger it is. He took the penalty which led to the game tying goal. Hamrlik hasn't played since the first week of April.

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I guess it's a very good news. I really hope he is healthy and ready to play for us.

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I guess it's a very good news. I really hope he is healthy and ready to play for us.
What an enormous lift that would be if he could play

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Eminger and Dorsett need to learn how to not take penalties that kill their teams chances of winning a playoff game.

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Is there anyone in the farm system that can replace Eminger until Staal is ready to play?
i heard we have a promising up and coming potential crease clearing defender who can bring a snarl to our defense that we havent seen in a long time. i cant remember his name. i think it was stu something

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