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09-30-2006, 03:47 PM
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Dubi's not ready. Too much of the play passes him by. It's a numbers game for Staal, who didn't totally look ready, but the OHL will be a waste for him (Sam mentioned this the other night, actually).
Perfect example of the whole allowing 19 year olds in the AHL argument (which I support).

I'd even be willing to compromise and say allowing a team only one 19 year old a season and never in back to back years or something along those lines.

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09-30-2006, 07:22 PM
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Personally I'd hope Immonen plays third with Betts 4th if thats what they decide.

Also I'd love to see Baranka make the team and not as a 7th defenseman. He's quietly been very steady and played HIS game this preseason.

I'd be very happy with Dawes, Immonen, Baranka on the team.
IMO, Baranka has shown enough to be the #6 defenseman this year. However, it is rather doubtfull that he will get that chance. His camp was FAR superior to that of Rachunek. So was Pock's for that matter. It will be interesting to see if he will get the chance to break into the top-6. As for Dubinsky, not that I do not agree with the sentiment that he could not benefit from more seasoning in Hartford, but let's call a spade a spade, his camp was better than either Betts' or Hossa's. The Rangers could very easily have opened this year with Immonen & Dubinsky as the bottom-2 line centers (not that I would want Dubi developing on the 4th line).

We discussed Renney's loyalty factor last year, Edge. And you made a comment to the effect that if Renney shows that much loyalty to someone like Betts, the team has bigger issues to contend with (I am paraphrasing off course). Well ,that theory is going to get tested. Immonen is much more suited for the 3rd line center role than Betts is. Betts makes for a good 4th line center.

If it seems like Dawes has made the team, it would appear that Hossa is the odd-man out, right?

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09-30-2006, 07:31 PM
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All seems logical to me, but that will be the real test.

Rachunek to me just looks god awful.

I am really not too concerned with the forwards right now. I think Dawes especially can contribute at the NHL level. Personally he looks better this year than Prucha did last year at the same time, IMO.

Not saying he's going to score at a 40 goal pace, but I don't think 20 is out of the question from him as a rookie this year.

This kid is simply ready to play and I have to admit I've enjoyed every moment of watching him over the years.

Dawes, Dubinsky were two sleepers I highlighted from years past and are an example of what I look for in a prospect as they move forward. No excuses, no reasons for why they didn't do something, they just kept developing.

So far I'm pretty on with my sleepers (though I expect more offense from Hollweg in time) if we can get similar results for the respective roles of Dupont and Hillier I'll be thrilled with what we've gotten from the CHL, especially the WHL.

I say that not for the sake of bragging rights, but just so it would REALLY help the Rangers depth.

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09-30-2006, 07:45 PM
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IMO, Baranka has shown enough to be the #6 defenseman this year. However, it is rather doubtfull that he will get that chance. His camp was FAR superior to that of Rachunek. So was Pock's for that matter. It will be interesting to see if he will get the chance to break into the top-6. As for Dubinsky, not that I do not agree with the sentiment that he could not benefit from more seasoning in Hartford, but let's call a spade a spade, his camp was better than either Betts' or Hossa's. The Rangers could very easily have opened this year with Immonen & Dubinsky as the bottom-2 line centers (not that I would want Dubi developing on the 4th line).

We discussed Renney's loyalty factor last year, Edge. And you made a comment to the effect that if Renney shows that much loyalty to someone like Betts, the team has bigger issues to contend with (I am paraphrasing off course). Well ,that theory is going to get tested. Immonen is much more suited for the 3rd line center role than Betts is. Betts makes for a good 4th line center.

If it seems like Dawes has made the team, it would appear that Hossa is the odd-man out, right?
Well, I'd like to have a established NHL player who's good defensively (and on the PK) and who wins draws. That's where Betts comes in. Starting the year with both Immonen and Dubinsky would have been iffy IMO.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Immonen start the year off on the 4th line, but with the opening to play himself up into the 3rd line spot. Renney just wants to make sure guys are ready and eased in.

As for Dawes and Hossa...who knows? I don't think they'd keep Dawes up to sit on the bench for games...but they did that with Hossa last year and might do it again. Or Hossa could switch sides, or play the 4th line, or or or...there's still options.

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09-30-2006, 08:02 PM
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Dawes looked good and played even better than expected, he will be fun to watch, and he shouldn't sit while Hossa can. It sucks that Staal had to go back and possibly regress, but he didn't look ready. Immo should be able to work his way to third line and that's how Renney likes it.

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09-30-2006, 08:06 PM
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Edge...

I agree completely. There's gotta be some compromise, and perhaps the NHL should support those leagues a bit to compensate for taking some of its start players. I haven't thought that through, but there has to be a compromise (EDIT: not thought through - there are a lot of things to consider which I haven't).

I had played with the idea of him staying up, getting some time in Hartford (conditioning stint, if that's still allowed), and taking it from there.

Rachunek's a better defenseman than we've seen, but his preseason does raise some eyebrows.


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09-30-2006, 08:32 PM
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Here's my take, don't know if it's valued or helps...

- Hossa is still garbage, he needs to go. He's a waste of space that still floats, the only thing good about him, and he's yet to prove that he can do this consistently, is win loose puck battles. He's got good size, and he's got decent speed for that size. He doesn't know what the word defense means, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. He also still can't find the net. I'm done watching his crap. I'd rather watch an overpaid Petr Nedved who can actually shoot a puck and find the net once in a while if I wanted to watch an overrated one-way floater with decent size.

- Colton Orr the Dinosaur is still Colton Orr the Dinosaur. Even with his improvement in skating, he still leaves a lot to be desired. Meaning, is there a glaring need for an enforcer? I know some teams have them, but they don't come into play all too much anymore. This is why I said we should have signed a true enforcer like Chris Simon or George Laraque, but as SOS calls them... the "true rebuild" posters bashed that idea. I'd like to see what those people say now.

- Dubinsky played VERY well, but the verdict is out... at least from the Rangers Brass... Jarkko Immonen is more NHL ready. Which is fine, I have no quarrels with Dubinsky being sent down, there are some flaws in his game that will be addressed. The most glaring if you ask me being his skating and vision. Dubinsky will be ready by next season, and maybe at the end of this season.

- I think this is obvious, and everyone knows it... Rachunek is playing like CRAP. For a guy who was regarded by many as the best defenseman in the RSL last year, the best league outside of the NHL, this guy is playing like crap. Maybe it's the new system he plays in, and the new partners. I don't exactly know the answer, but he looks like he's just out of it. He gets beaten all too easily one on one, and has taken some pretty dumb penalties. I would sign Brian Leetch. I would give him a shot, especially at this point. Rachunek's playing like crap, Rozsival, as much as I don't like him, is hurt, and we don't have much security on the backline. So what's the big deal with taking on a small contract?

- Henke has been great. He's still got it. There's not really much more to say that the injuries killed him last year. As long as he's healthy, we've got the ability to go deep into the playoffs.

- JJ looked good from what I heard. Scored a goal against Boston today. He didn't look too far behind or out of place. Very good to hear.

- Staal wasn't ready for the NHL. That's fine, as a 19 year old defenseman who only played 2 years of Junior before hand, I wouldn't expect the world of him. Give this kid some time, and he will surely develop into the defenseman that we all think he could be. Some think that Sudbury will be a waste of time for him. Maybe... maybe not. Maybe, it could bring his confidence back up. Maybe, one more year could get him ready. Of course he's going to dominate in junior, but it still helps the developmental process.

- Dawes has been great so far, thank god he hasn't been cut yet. We could really use a good young speedy forward who doesn't slack in his own end, and could score and set up plays. I hope Nigel can play on the 3rd line or higher. It would really help his development, playing with some forwards who can set him up, and be set up for some goals.

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09-30-2006, 08:57 PM
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Rachunek's a better defenseman than we've seen, but his preseason does raise some eyebrows.
Agreed. Not just to the latter, as I have already stated as much. But rather to the former, as I cannot believe that he has become THIS bad. When I say THIS bad, I am talking about him not even being close to being a part of the solution. I do not want to say that he is as bad as Ozolinsh was last year, but he is well on his way.

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I think this team needs Betts more on ice then they need Immonen.

Betts is tough to play against, he wears other players down, with his skating and hustle.
I agree 100%...And I think the line with Betts should get more time then a line centered by Immo...unless the team is down by a goal or two....In addition, Immo hasn;t impressed me at all..

Agree with those that say Rachunek has been garbage...just like in his previous stint in NY...He'll get a leash, but it better be a short one because he has been outplayed by others like Barnaka and pock...

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09-30-2006, 09:01 PM
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This is why I said we should have signed a true enforcer like Chris Simon or George Laraque, but as SOS calls them... the "true rebuild" posters bashed that idea. I'd like to see what those people say now.
If you are refering to me, then my answer stays the same. If right now, your 4 bottom-line wings are going to be Hall, Ward, Holloweg & Dawes, then who gets to sig so that Laraque or Simon can play? Ward was one of the better Pkers in the league and was a solid 3rd line, defensive player. Much better than either Simon or Laraque. You want to bench Hall, someone who is at a minimum another solid 3rd line player, but has the outside potential to be a 2nd line player? How about Hollweg? Or want to keep Dawes in Hartford so that Simon can play?

This is not even talking about late December, when Ortmeyer (the team's best PKer) comes back.

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09-30-2006, 09:04 PM
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Betts is interesting..

I'm not a huge +/- fan, but when a guy is a good defensive specialist and is a minus on a team that's largely plus, and he's one of the bigger minuses, AND, the team did better when he was hurt, it really makes me begin to think. And what I've been thinking, is that Immonen as a third line center and Betts as a fourth line center is net better than Betts/Hollweg. Just my opinion.

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09-30-2006, 10:36 PM
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Well, I'll go right ahead and say my lines would be:
Shanahan-Nylander-Jagr
Straka-Cullen-Dawes
Prucha-Betts-Ward
Hall-Hollweg-Orr

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09-30-2006, 10:43 PM
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For opening night I expect:

Straka-Nylander-Jagr
Prucha-Cullen-Shanahan
Dawes-Immonen-Hall
Hollweg-Betts-Ward
Orr, Hossa

Ward-Tyutin
Malik-Roz
Kaspar-Rachunek

Lundqvist
Valiquette

With Weekes Hossa and Pock entering the lineup in a matter of weeks

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Well, I'll go right ahead and say my lines would be:
Shanahan-Nylander-Jagr
Straka-Cullen-Dawes
Prucha-Betts-Ward
Hall-Hollweg-Orr
That second line is really small. Might get pushed around out there. I'd stick Shanny on the second to give em some grit and size.

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yea i know that, im still shocked though, could be an underrated dman when he makes NHL full time. Maybe a young Petr Svoboda former flyers dman
You're quoting me now? I heart U Jorts

Not for nuthin, but Staal losing out because of the #'s game sucks, but whatever, next year is Marc's to shine. Should be fun watching him, Sauer & maybe Bobby Sang in the '07 camp. Rachunek better impress me or u guys are gonna hear it the whole season, he's a prime candidate for Poti-ism.

Glad Dubinsky is gonna get good icetime in the AHL. Patty O'Sullivan time, look how well he's progressed.

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