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05-18-2013, 07:52 AM
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It's been two years. Not that long.

2008- lost in cup finals
2009- won the cup
2010- lost in conference semifinals
2011- lost in first round (missing both Malkin and Crosby due to injury)
2012- let's just not talk about 2012
2013- have a 2-0 lead in the conference semifinals

The Bruins and Hawks both got bounced in the first round the years following their cup wins yet nobody ever gives them crap for it. Why do people act like the Pens are the only team that fell of the wagon a little bit after they won the Cup? Both them and Detroit couldn't fight fatigue that finally caught up with them in 2010. They played 55 playoff games between 2008 and 2010. That's almost 3/4 of an entire seasons worth of games that most teams didn't have to play.
Probably because the Pens have an absolutely stacked team just about every year, this year even more so. It should be illegal to have as many all star caliber players in any single line up as they do. The B's don't have nearly the talent on paper that the Pens have.

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05-18-2013, 07:56 AM
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For those saying Spezza will come back and make a difference wasn't the same thing said about Karlsson and look how that turned out. From my point of view I really don't see how Spezza is going to have an impact. Maybe he scores a goal but lets be serious here. He's practicing with the team but he's having trouble keeping up. And if he's having trouble keeping up in practice I'm sure the Pens would love to have him on the ice in game 3.

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05-18-2013, 08:06 AM
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For those saying Spezza will come back and make a difference wasn't the same thing said about Karlsson and look how that turned out. From my point of view I really don't see how Spezza is going to have an impact. Maybe he scores a goal but lets be serious here. He's practicing with the team but he's having trouble keeping up. And if he's having trouble keeping up in practice I'm sure the Pens would love to have him on the ice in game 3.
Back injury does not = an Achilles tear. Karlsson's injury significantly alters arguably the most important aspect of his game i.e. skating.

If Spezza is really ready to go, from what's been reported thus far, it's not likely that there would be any lingering after-effects that would limit his game to the extent of Karlsson's.

And where are you getting this stuff about him not being able to keep up in practice?

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For those saying Spezza will come back and make a difference wasn't the same thing said about Karlsson and look how that turned out. From my point of view I really don't see how Spezza is going to have an impact. Maybe he scores a goal but lets be serious here. He's practicing with the team but he's having trouble keeping up. And if he's having trouble keeping up in practice I'm sure the Pens would love to have him on the ice in game 3.
Karlsson was able to make an impact once he came back. Who said he is having trouble keeping up? I must have missed that.

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05-18-2013, 08:11 AM
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For those saying Spezza will come back and make a difference wasn't the same thing said about Karlsson and look how that turned out. From my point of view I really don't see how Spezza is going to have an impact. Maybe he scores a goal but lets be serious here. He's practicing with the team but he's having trouble keeping up. And if he's having trouble keeping up in practice I'm sure the Pens would love to have him on the ice in game 3.
Where did you hear that?

Having Spezza in the lineup allows us to get different matchups for guys like Turris who are in over their head, and also helps guys like Michalek who are handling the puck like a live grenade.

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The Sens finally being called for what they do best. Holding and hooking.
Pens are better and hopefully home ice will help, better than it did for Montreal.

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I don't think they should sit EK. They are going home so they can hide him from Crosby a little bit. They just need to find a different role for him, maybe PP specialist and only give him offensive zone starts.

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I don't think they should sit EK. They are going home so they can hide him from Crosby a little bit. They just need to find a different role for him, maybe PP specialist and only give him offensive zone starts.
He already said he won't do that. He's struggling but the real bummer is that they threw him in right away at 27 minutes a night. they should have gave him a lot less minutes and let him build on that.

He will probably be a middle pairing next game and need to work on his confidence.

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05-18-2013, 08:36 AM
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For dynasty's it only matters how many championships you win IMO.

You guys have 3 and only 1 since 1992. Sure you guys can chirp saying what does Ottawa have but where not saying we have a dynasty
No Pens fan has said we're a dynasty. That's idiotic. One guy said they "looked like" one and he probably has a screw loose or something.

Pens are a lot closer to perennial underachievers than a dynasty.

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For those saying Spezza will come back and make a difference wasn't the same thing said about Karlsson and look how that turned out. From my point of view I really don't see how Spezza is going to have an impact. Maybe he scores a goal but lets be serious here. He's practicing with the team but he's having trouble keeping up. And if he's having trouble keeping up in practice I'm sure the Pens would love to have him on the ice in game 3.
Karlsson has put up 6 points in 7 playoff games and helped a team that couldn't without him in the regular season blow out the Habs twice for 6-1 scores.

Even in a worst case scenario where Spezza couldn't skate very well or play a full game (by his standards)... let's say 10 mins, 4-5 on the powerplay. Well, the powerplay has been bad and players with elite hand skills are still elite powerplay player late into their careers precisely because you don't have to skate as much on the PP.

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05-18-2013, 08:39 AM
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This is the first time they've gotten out of the first round in years and you're using the word DYNASTY? Do you know what it means?
as a Pens fan, I agree the Dynasty talk needs to stop. Even if we win this year and next year -- giving us 3 in 6 -- I wouldn't go there yet. The three off years in that scenario are just too far off.

on Karlsson, lets just hope he can get himself back into top form so the debates about him can actually play out over his career instead of his defenders only having a year and a half to point to while everyone else is pointing at him post injury saying I told you so.


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Karlsson has looked bad yes, but if anyone thinks he's going to be a scratch next game, check your head. The guy is the franchise's golden boy, he's obviously rattled right now and sitting him will just lead to more questions and might sap his confidence even more.
On top of that it might have repercussions in the room. Paulrus is going to get him reduced minutes, he'll probably play against Vitale's or another lower line and so on.

Crosby...what can you say, guy is super beast. Anderson probably should have had one of those goals, but Lehner is beast. Wouldn't mind seeing him start Sunday but looks like Andy is starting. Pageau is a stud, love that kid.

Well, knew this was never going to be easy, good game Pens fans and see you on Sunday...

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05-18-2013, 08:48 AM
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Karlsson has looked bad yes, but if anyone thinks he's going to be a scratch next game, check your head. The guy is the franchise's golden boy, he's obviously rattled right now and sitting him will just lead to more questions and might sap his confidence even more.
On top of that it might have repercussions in the room. Paulrus is going to get him reduced minutes, he'll probably play against Vitale's or another lower line and so on.
Ya, you just don't sit Karlsson. Even he gets 3rd pairing minutes plus PP time, he's worth having in there. And I don't expect him to be that limited.
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Crosby...what can you say, guy is super beast. Anderson probably should have had one of those goals, but Lehner is beast. Wouldn't mind seeing him start Sunday but looks like Andy is starting. Pageau is a stud, love that kid.
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Well, knew this was never going to be easy, good game Pens fans and see you on Sunday...
good game indeed.

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Back injury does not = an Achilles tear. Karlsson's injury significantly alters arguably the most important aspect of his game i.e. skating.

If Spezza is really ready to go, from what's been reported thus far, it's not likely that there would be any lingering after-effects that would limit his game to the extent of Karlsson's.

And where are you getting this stuff about him not being able to keep up in practice?
Good Point, the back is basically useless.

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Want to trade goalie controversies?

I dunno. trading Tugger for Barrasso didn't work so well for us last time.

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Good Point, the back is basically useless.
lol good point i have some lower back problems and it hurts like a ***** when i skate.

but i'm not so sure his back is bothering him anymore. we will see only time will tell. He might have some rust too.

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Good Point, the back is basically useless.
"If Spezza is really ready to go..."

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Back injury does not = an Achilles tear. Karlsson's injury significantly alters arguably the most important aspect of his game i.e. skating.

If Spezza is really ready to go, from what's been reported thus far, it's not likely that there would be any lingering after-effects that would limit his game to the extent of Karlsson's.

And where are you getting this stuff about him not being able to keep up in practice?
Are you really underestimating how much a serious back injury can hamper a guy's performance? Especially when that guy hasn't played in a competitive NHL game since January...

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The 2-0 series lead that the Pens have taken in this series matches my expectations in this series so far. We will probably see Pittsburgh take it in 4, or 5 if Anderson can manage to steal one for them.

In the first round, Ottawa beat a depleted, battered and bruised Montreal team whose goalie was far from being on his game. Pittsburgh is a much deeper team and is a more challenging matchup overall than the team Ottawa faced in the first round.

Karlsson and Anderson looked pretty bad yesterday. Ottawa needs these guys to be at the top of their game in order to compete against the Pens (or any of the other playoff teams remaining).

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Are you really underestimating how much a serious back injury can hamper a guy's performance? Especially when that guy hasn't played in a competitive NHL game since January...
No.

I'm saying that if he is deemed fit to participate in full, from what I understand, his injury wouldn't limit him to the extent Karlsson has been.

Not that it wouldn't be an issue. Just not that much of an issue in comparison.

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For those saying Spezza will come back and make a difference wasn't the same thing said about Karlsson and look how that turned out. From my point of view I really don't see how Spezza is going to have an impact. Maybe he scores a goal but lets be serious here. He's practicing with the team but he's having trouble keeping up. And if he's having trouble keeping up in practice I'm sure the Pens would love to have him on the ice in game 3.
Very different IMO.

Personally, I think any realistic Sens fan, would have said it would be shocking to have Karlsson come back and be a difference maker. And frankly, for the first few games he was back, he WAS a difference maker. He got a lot of points in the first series, and is a reason we won. Even if he was at, say 68.93%.

Spezza's injury is VERY different. First, it's his back. It isn't a tear. And he wasn't on bedrest for a month losing all muscle in his leg. Secondly its an injury he has had before, and has come back from and been a force.

This isn't to say Spezza could come back and actually make a difference. But they are two difference scenario's. And I'd bet more money on Spezza making a difference coming back, than I would have on Karlsson.

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Who would of thought saying the word "dynasty" would cause such a uproar. If thats the case, dynasty dynasty dynasty :-)

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Gave you a scare

Gave me a scare too, until Fleury was out.

Pens led in the 3rd in games 1 - 5. They lost games 2 and games 4 on terrible goals given up by Fleury. With Vokoun in they would have likely swept the Isles.
By terrible goals you mean a SH breakaway and a snipe by JT?

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I think the model for Ottawa to win has to be similar to what Montreal did with Halak a few years back. You need your goalie to stand on his head. The Pens will still pot a few, either way, but the Sens will get their chances, and you need that level of play in net with their team.

But, it doesn't seem like Anderson is up to that, at least thus far, in this series. He's played well enough before against other teams, but whether the Pens are in his head or he's just a little off, he has to hold Pittsburgh to two or less for Ottawa to be able to win in this series.

No disrespect to Ottawa. A fully healthy lineup makes this a different series, but I'd be surprised if Pittsburgh doesn't engineer at least a split in Ottawa and then finishes up this series in five most likely, six at worst. It's a proud team up there with a good coach and Pens have not been the best at closing teams out, but I don't see them losing four of five either.

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By terrible goals you mean a SH breakaway and a snipe by JT?
He probably meant the 3 goals given up from behind the goal line and banked off his ass.

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