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05-11-2013, 05:44 PM
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Heyread the post you quoted I have no argument with you here. I don't think his value has dropped that much BUT I can easily see him falling completely offa cliff next year. The hustle and plays he's made his entire career were few and far between this year which is very alarming. Still I think he has another year or two of the hockey we've known him for and he's the type of player who won't cost you more than 3 or 4 mil on his next contract and I'd like to see a career or near career ranger y'know? If we aren't winning championships it'd be nice to have players worth a damn to be proud of. Ah whatever on my death bed I won't be sitting there basking in the fact some guy named Callahan played well for the rangers so screw it trade him lol
Callahan makes 4.2 million on his contract.

Anyone see him taking a discount? I don't. Please let him walk. I don't give a rat's behind if he's a career Ranger, I prefer him not to be because that'll mean we're likely content with mediocrity for the duration of his career.

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callahan is our version of la's justin williams.. they're both utility guys and can play anywhere in the lineup.. theyre tough as nails, play with a chip on there shoulder and score goals, play pp and pk.. hes far from overrated.. hes as advertised... he's raved about around the league.. he's a captain for a reason..

going by stats is overrating someone bc theres a ton of guys in the league that put up stats who i wouldnt want on my team and a ton of guys that dont put up stats that have the most important roles on a team.. stats doesn't tell the entire story..

and he'll prob sign for similar contract he's currently playing under.. i see no more then a 4yr deal at 4-4.5..

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Callahan makes 4.2 million on his contract.

Anyone see him taking a discount? I don't. Please let him walk. I don't give a rat's behind if he's a career Ranger, I prefer him not to be because that'll mean we're likely content with mediocrity for the duration of his career.
Like someone else said a few posts back, I can appreciate that you're going against the grain here and making an argument based on fact in some cases. Every player falls off at some point, due to Cally's style, his point may be sooner rather than later. I don't agree with that really, but I see the logic to it. However, I don't see the logic in the idea that having Callahan as a career Ranger leads to being content with mediocrity until he's gone. If he signs for ~4 mill again, how is that a handicap to the team? No, he's not a star player, but he's not paid like a star player either. I think he's a fine player for 4 million. If the coach uses him too much, that's a coaching problem. If the team is built like crap around him, that's a GM problem. Callahan himself will earn his money for the next few years in my opinion assuming he doesn't get a huge raise.

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I've never seen Callahan this outmatched and outplayed shift after shift, he's been terrible this postseason, at best.

Even his PK work has been relatively poor, there was a shift where he had 2-3 good opportunities to clear it and couldn't muster anything.

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05-17-2013, 01:59 PM
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Very technical with saying he never hit 30 goals. He hit 29.
And missed quite a few games in the same season

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This thread is glitchy for me. Anyone else?

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He only scores more goals than that because of his ice time. He is a good PKer, but he wouldn't be top unit PP on teams with competent powerplay.
How come you use ice time as a defense for Girardi, but it's practically a blasphemy when Callahan plays alot of minutes? Callahan has been annoying me lately too, but I don't understand where you're coming from here.

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For some reason this thread is glitching, but Machinehead, the reason why I'm fine with Daniel Girardi getting his minutes is because he'd be a top pairing defenseman on most teams in the NHL. Despite being hemmed in his own end quite a bit, Girardi is great with zone time against other top lines over the course of his career. Callahan struggles to compete with other top players and has mediocre possession time. They are not comparable imo.

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Callahan is a very overrated player. He is not a very damn good player, he is a player who only produces because he gets spoonfed with minutes with skilled players that he eventually has to produce. He is a very bad captain and fails to produce in the playoffs. I don't see him as much flak as Stepan, a sophomore got last year. He's had less playoff points than Girardi the past 2 playoffs, yet everyone is basically fine with him moving. He is a player who takes no accountability for his team and his own piss poor play and I don't want him around the younger players on the team. Why is Ryan Callahan an untouchable on this team exactly?

Jaskin is a very big, skilled LWer who had the highest PPG in the CHL. He is only 19 years old and got cup of coffee with the Blues early this season. He was so good, they didn't both sending him straight to the AHL, but rather right away with the NHL club. He is a very realistic target the Rangers should be after and Callahan is a good fit for the Blues.

As for Staal, I think we could get the 6th overall pick this year, although with his recent injury history, I doubt he holds much value at this point.
Dude, who are you? Callahan is a bad leader? What? Absolutely NO ONE that knows anything about hockey would agree with you. If Callahan was a bad leader, do you think he would be Captain of the NYR? No... I don't think so. Are you even a Ranger fan? Because you frequent our board a lot but it doesn't seem like you actually ROOT for the Rangers.

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Yeah, this thread is glitched.

That's how bad Cally was in game 1. The thread shut itself down and said "NOPE. WE'RE PRETENDING THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN".

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Nevermind. Didn't fix it.

I guess Jabroni gets the last word.


Edit: now it's working again. I think

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I kind wish this thread had stayed glitched.

There's a lot of really stupid **** going on here.

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Callahan makes 4.2 million on his contract.

Anyone see him taking a discount? I don't. Please let him walk. I don't give a rat's behind if he's a career Ranger, I prefer him not to be because that'll mean we're likely content with mediocrity for the duration of his career.
Nobody said you had to care if he's a career ranger lol. And no your mediocrity thing is completely separate and it seems to be insinuating that if a player is not great and is only mediocre then he has no place on a championship team despite every championship team having 3rd and 4th liners who aren't great. Callahan is a heart and soul gritty player. He doesn't have to be a 15 goal scorer let alone a 20-30 goal scorer. Now obviously if he's only a 15G guy he isn't worth 4.2 and if you were to manage the cap like that you'd be in major trouble but we have to see what happens with his next contract which it isn't even time to re-sign him.

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I've never seen Callahan this outmatched and outplayed shift after shift, he's been terrible this postseason, at best.

Even his PK work has been relatively poor, there was a shift where he had 2-3 good opportunities to clear it and couldn't muster anything.
He lost something last year during the post season and I haven't really seen vintage Cally reappear this season outside of 1-2 games.

There were rumors about an injury that never surfaced last PO season, but either the guy is just too banged up, too tired, or his heart isn't in it anymore. Maybe having the kid made him a bit more weary to big hits? Who knows.

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Dude, who are you? Callahan is a bad leader? What? Absolutely NO ONE that knows anything about hockey would agree with you. If Callahan was a bad leader, do you think he would be Captain of the NYR? No... I don't think so. Are you even a Ranger fan? Because you frequent our board a lot but it doesn't seem like you actually ROOT for the Rangers.
Bad leaders can be captains of NHL hockey club for sure. Look at the Oilers under Shawn Horcoff or the Blue Jackets success under Nash all those years.

Callahan is not a great leader with his on-ice play, which is what a captain should lead by example.

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Nobody said you had to care if he's a career ranger lol. And no your mediocrity thing is completely separate and it seems to be insinuating that if a player is not great and is only mediocre then he has no place on a championship team despite every championship team having 3rd and 4th liners who aren't great. Callahan is a heart and soul gritty player. He doesn't have to be a 15 goal scorer let alone a 20-30 goal scorer. Now obviously if he's only a 15G guy he isn't worth 4.2 and if you were to manage the cap like that you'd be in major trouble but we have to see what happens with his next contract which it isn't even time to re-sign him.
I haven't seen too much of this all year. I just wrote about it in my previous post. Not sure what happened to him but vintage Cally is gone.

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Nobody said you had to care if he's a career ranger lol. And no your mediocrity thing is completely separate and it seems to be insinuating that if a player is not great and is only mediocre then he has no place on a championship team despite every championship team having 3rd and 4th liners who aren't great. Callahan is a heart and soul gritty player. He doesn't have to be a 15 goal scorer let alone a 20-30 goal scorer. Now obviously if he's only a 15G guy he isn't worth 4.2 and if you were to manage the cap like that you'd be in major trouble but we have to see what happens with his next contract which it isn't even time to re-sign him.
He is a FA after next season. I don't want him re-signed since he can realistically get his last major payday. Hopefully that isn't with the Rangers, because his game has fell off a cliff.

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It doesn't matter if Cally scores 20 goals, 30 or more. Kershaw will always want him gone.

Don't try to understand it. Your brain will just hurt.

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Callahan, for the most part in recent games, has been absolutely brain dead inside the offensive zone. I wish the Rangers had the depth to play Callahan on the third line, but they don't.

I'm from the group of people who would want a more "fiery" captain though, so I'm a little biased against Callahan (don't hate me).

I'd really like to get Callahan away from Stepan though. Give him his PP time in front of the net, because that's where he truly excels. But he's been making some bonehead decisions at even strength for quite some time now.

Nash - Stepan - Zuccarello
Hagelin - Brassard - Callahan
Pyatt - Boyle - Dorsett
Kreider - Richards - Asham

Wouldn't mind that at all.

This team misses Clowe.

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It doesn't matter if Cally scores 20 goals, 30 or more. Kershaw will always want him gone.

Don't try to understand it. Your brain will just hurt.
What is not to understand? Overpaying a player based on some faculty 'intangibles'' and 'veteran presence'? The whole stigma of those three are so asinine to me, it's not even funny. We are excusing Ryan Callahan's piss poor play because he has a C etched on his sweater? It doesn't matter to me how much of a motivational speaker he can be or how much of a media darling he is. Callahan, for some reason (thank god it's getting noticed more on HFBoards) gets a longer leash of a free pass from the media and fanbase. If Callahan isn't doing anything on the ice, you're paying a team cheerleader 4.2mil per season. It's the same excuses that kept Drury afloat on this roster longer than it should've.

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What is not to understand? Overpaying a player based on some faculty 'intangibles'' and 'veteran presence'? The whole stigma of those three are so asinine to me, it's not even funny. We are excusing Ryan Callahan's piss poor play because he has a C etched on his sweater? It doesn't matter to me how much of a motivational speaker he can be or how much of a media darling he is. Callahan, for some reason (thank god it's getting noticed more on HFBoards) gets a longer leash of a free pass from the media and fanbase. If Callahan isn't doing anything on the ice, you're paying a team cheerleader 4.2mil per season. It's the same excuses that kept Drury afloat on this roster longer than it should've.

I should know better to respond, but, well...

1. I'm not sure you understand what stigma means.

2. Those intangibles are painfully obvious to anyone who watches him play, and most of the time are very much tangible off the score sheet, including being the teams #1 penalty killing forward, consistently finishing top 10 in the league in hits among forwards, solid defensive play, and so on.

3. Nobody has excused him from having a subpar playoffs. Everyone on this board, including Machinehead and myself have expressed concern about his play. The reason we're not livid is because unlike many other players, he's still acting as an asset despite his slump. He's still blocking shots, throwing hits, trying to get in on the forecheck. His offense has been atrocious, but you can tell that the effort is there; possibly too much effort, the man is gripping the stick too tight.

4. The media isn't going to say a damn word about Ryan Callahan until Rick Nash scores a goal.

5. There seems to be this myth that Drury was terrible here. his first 2 years, he was pushing 60 points. He contracted a degenerative knee disease, and that was the end of it.

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Selective memory at it's finest. Callahan was key down the stretch the last 3 seasons. Callahan ain't goin anywhere Kershaw, might as well hop on the Penguins bandwagon, I hear they're recruiting.

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