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05-18-2013, 03:57 AM
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Why do some people call Edler, elder????
Same reason Bieksa gets called Bieska.

And to a lesser extent, Kesler getting called Kessel.

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Daniel-Henrik-Eberle
Burrows-Kesler-Horton/Iginla
Higgins-Gordon-Hansen
Simmonds-Lapierre-Kassian
Weiss

Garrison/Tanev
Hamhuis/Bieksa
Alberts/Corrado

Schneider
Nabokov

Trade Luongo for Simmonds
Elder for Eberle
Sign Horton/Iginla and Gordon
Dump/trade Ballard and Booth for picks
Sign a vet like nabokov

What do you guys think?
Luongo won't get you Simmonds in a million years.
Edler would never get traded within the division.
The only way Iginla signs here is if we are a contender.
I don't think Ballard or Booth are going to get picks.
Nakobov wants to stay in NYI.

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1) Florida and Tampa Bay? Florida has enough prospects and Tallon thinks they're a playoff team. Tampa Bay needs a defenseman a lot more than a forward.

2) See above.

3) Sedins + Luongo on Florida could do some damage, especially in the East.

4) Because our team isn't good enough to do anything in the playoffs anymore. It's time to shake the core to the very foundation, especially with how pathetic they have been in the past two playoffs. Better to get it over with quickly than continue a slow regression and then having to do this in two/three years anyway.

5) Gotta gain experience somehow.

EDIT: I also realize this fantasy lineup is pretty unrealistic. Deals for those top 3 picks just don't happen, but I would certainly love it if it did. Not expecting it though, nor would I hold it against Gillis when it doesn't.
Oh gawd you were serious.



I don't think anything substantial is going to happen. At most Edler gets used as trade bait, but I don't think it would go anywhere. The only potential high buyer I see is Philadelphia. Most Flyers fans will say the Schenns are off limits, and I'm not sold on Couts enough for a straight up trade. I also highly doubt they'd entertain Couts + Simmonds for Edler+.

Perhaps MG talks with Bob Murray about a Ryan for Edler swap, but again within division I just don't see it.

So, keeping with the idea that MG wants to stay tough and get younger, I could see us making runs at potential UFAs and filling the rest with our prospects. Something along the lines off..

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Clowe - Kesler - Kassian
Higgins - Schroeder - Hansen
Weise - Laine - Clarkson

Garrison - Hamhuis
Edler - Tanev
Bieksa - Corrado

Schneider
Lack

I don't necessarily think these are the right moves, just moves I could definitely see MG making.


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05-18-2013, 04:54 AM
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here's what i expect has the highest chance of happening

A: ballard is exchanged for something - either its a buyout, or its a pick, or whatever, but its ultimately neutral
B: booth is retained - either because hes injured in the buyout period or because the team can't sign an impact ufa
C: raymond walks, not made a contract offer by the team
D: alberts walks, offered too little, signs aaron style contract
E: schroeder and tanev are extended to reasonable contracts
F: luongo is flipped for non-roster assets
G: gillis makes an effort to sign a 7th to replace alberts, and a backup goalie
H: lappy ultimately re-signs

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Higgins
Kassian - Schroeder - Hansen
Weise - Lappy - 12th
13th/prospect

Garrison - Hamhuis
Edler - Tanev
Bieksa - Corrado
7th*

Schneider
Backup*

im going to bet that any rookie other than corrado starts in the AHL

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05-18-2013, 05:13 AM
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here's what i expect has the highest chance of happening

A: ballard is exchanged for something - either its a buyout, or its a pick, or whatever, but its ultimately neutral
B: booth is retained - either because hes injured in the buyout period or because the team can't sign an impact ufa
C: raymond walks, not made a contract offer by the team
D: alberts walks, offered too little, signs aaron style contract
E: schroeder and tanev are extended to reasonable contracts
F: luongo is flipped for non-roster assets
G: gillis makes an effort to sign a 7th to replace alberts, and a backup goalie
H: lappy ultimately re-signs

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Higgins
Kassian - Schroeder - Hansen
Weise - Lappy - 12th
13th/prospect

Garrison - Hamhuis
Edler - Tanev
Bieksa - Corrado
7th*

Schneider
Backup*

im going to bet that any rookie other than corrado starts in the AHL
I'm going to be very sad if this is the "retooling"...

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05-18-2013, 05:54 AM
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i just dont see the canucks having a huge allowance this year for major changes. they're kind of stuck in that they had a bad year that coincided with a massive crunch in cap AND a bunch of contract extensions. i feel next year is probably going to be disappointing for a lot of people from a roster standpoint

i legitimately wouldn't be surprised if they leave a mil or a mil and a half cap space and use the accumulated prorated space at the deadline to acquire something they've had their eyes on for a while as a roster player

as much as he said he wants to reset, or re-tool, or whatever, thats just not a strength or a prevalent characteristic of gillis and his staff. they could make all the changes in the world but they would then be operating on an agenda that would probably see them get 80 cents on the dollar for most assets.

finally, the talk of trading burrows or edler just seems unrealistic. they gave them NTCs explicitly because they felt they could tolerate them on the team for the years/rate and a first round exit, while unfortunate, was likely not an unanticipated event. i dont think a management group that seems to pride itself on contingency would react in that manner

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05-18-2013, 06:26 AM
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I'm going to be very sad if this is the "retooling"...
Canucks re-tooling! How do you like it, guys? By the way, we didn't do jack all. Now give us your money!

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05-18-2013, 06:28 AM
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Luongo won't get you Simmonds in a million years.
Edler would never get traded within the division.
The only way Iginla signs here is if we are a contender.
I don't think Ballard or Booth are going to get picks.
Nakobov wants to stay in NYI.
1. Probably not.
2. For Eberle? **** yeah he would.
3. Meh, pretty much.
4. One of them will.
5. I think that is fairly accurate.

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05-18-2013, 11:47 AM
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1. Probably not.
2. For Eberle? **** yeah he would.
3. Meh, pretty much.
4. One of them will.
5. I think that is fairly accurate.
I would be fairly reluctant to trade Edler for Eberle. Unsustainable shooting% and all that.

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05-18-2013, 11:59 AM
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Edler for Eberle? Edmonton would have to add something substantial. His contract is a joke for what's likely to be 55-60 point player going forward (and he certainly wouldn't break that mark here on the 2nd line and 2nd PP unit).

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05-18-2013, 12:08 PM
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Edler for Eberle? Edmonton would have to add something substantial. His contract is a joke for what's likely to be 55-60 point player going forward (and he certainly wouldn't break that mark here on the 2nd line and 2nd PP unit).
I don't ever see Vancouver and Edmonton trading, being they're in the same division.

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05-18-2013, 01:14 PM
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I would be fairly reluctant to trade Edler for Eberle. Unsustainable shooting% and all that.
I'm not advocating the trade, although I like the idea, but Eberle's high shooting percentage has a lot to do with knowing when to shoot, how to get a goalie totally out of position, and playing with other smart, offensively talented players who can make the last point happen. There are some absolutely lucky shots, but a lot of it is instinct and good play.

Think of him as the perfect Sedin/Kesler/Sedin PP line mate.

Also, his shooting % mellowed out this season too. 12% from 18%.

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05-18-2013, 01:22 PM
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here's what i expect has the highest chance of happening

A: ballard is exchanged for something - either its a buyout, or its a pick, or whatever, but its ultimately neutral
B: booth is retained - either because hes injured in the buyout period or because the team can't sign an impact ufa
C: raymond walks, not made a contract offer by the team
D: alberts walks, offered too little, signs aaron style contract
E: schroeder and tanev are extended to reasonable contracts
F: luongo is flipped for non-roster assets
G: gillis makes an effort to sign a 7th to replace alberts, and a backup goalie
H: lappy ultimately re-signs

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Higgins
Kassian - Schroeder - Hansen
Weise - Lappy - 12th
13th/prospect

Garrison - Hamhuis
Edler - Tanev
Bieksa - Corrado
7th*

Schneider
Backup*

im going to bet that any rookie other than corrado starts in the AHL
that would be enough to get MG fired.Same garbage that was on the ice this season.

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05-18-2013, 01:22 PM
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How about Yakapov for Edler straight up? Edmonton needs d we need offense.

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i just dont see the canucks having a huge allowance this year for major changes. they're kind of stuck in that they had a bad year that coincided with a massive crunch in cap AND a bunch of contract extensions. i feel next year is probably going to be disappointing for a lot of people from a roster standpoint

i legitimately wouldn't be surprised if they leave a mil or a mil and a half cap space and use the accumulated prorated space at the deadline to acquire something they've had their eyes on for a while as a roster player

as much as he said he wants to reset, or re-tool, or whatever, thats just not a strength or a prevalent characteristic of gillis and his staff. they could make all the changes in the world but they would then be operating on an agenda that would probably see them get 80 cents on the dollar for most assets.

finally, the talk of trading burrows or edler just seems unrealistic. they gave them NTCs explicitly because they felt they could tolerate them on the team for the years/rate and a first round exit, while unfortunate, was likely not an unanticipated event. i dont think a management group that seems to pride itself on contingency would react in that manner
So you've basically described a GM who has created a roster where he can make no meaningful changes at all despite having won 1 playoff game in their last 2 years. Boy we sure are lucky to have such a genius GM steering this ship ...

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that would be enough to get MG fired.Same garbage that was on the ice this season.
I sincerely hope that you're not holding your breath waiting for more to happen.

I expect the same type of roster.

A new coach, new philosophy, and the young players getting time to develop in the NHL will help change the culture of the room.

Expecting more is a bit ridiculous. The cap is dropping, we have luongo and Ballard who certainly need to go.

People need realistic expectations moving forward. This isn't a "cup or bust" roster. Time to realize that.

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here's what i expect has the highest chance of happening

A: ballard is exchanged for something - either its a buyout, or its a pick, or whatever, but its ultimately neutral
B: booth is retained - either because hes injured in the buyout period or because the team can't sign an impact ufa
C: raymond walks, not made a contract offer by the team
D: alberts walks, offered too little, signs aaron style contract
E: schroeder and tanev are extended to reasonable contracts
F: luongo is flipped for non-roster assets
G: gillis makes an effort to sign a 7th to replace alberts, and a backup goalie
H: lappy ultimately re-signs

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Higgins
Kassian - Schroeder - Hansen
Weise - Lappy - 12th
13th/prospect

Garrison - Hamhuis
Edler - Tanev
Bieksa - Corrado
7th*

Schneider
Backup*

im going to bet that any rookie other than corrado starts in the AHL


If this is all that happens I hope Gillis gets fired.

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How about Yakapov for Edler straight up? Edmonton needs d we need offense.
I'd do that. If even just to rip off that guy's "is great goal, come hug" avatar, because it makes me lol. The fact that we'd get a dynamic offensive force that we desperately need is just icing on the cake

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I would do that as well, much as I dislike Yakupov. But he's probably going to score 30-40 pretty consistently over the course of his career, he has too much talent not to.

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Had an elaborate trade scenario pop into my head last night, you guys are going to hate it:

-Trade Schneids to NYI for Niederreiter, Reinhart and their 1st. (this was inspired by a similar package someone proposed to move Lu to the Islanders yesterday)
-On draft day package the two firsts to move up to around 10th-12th and take Hunter Shinkaruk.

Boom, prospect cupboard restocked with players ready to contribute right away if needed.

Try not to flip out too hard at a Schneider trade proposal

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Had an elaborate trade scenario pop into my head last night, you guys are going to hate it:

-Trade Schneids to NYI for Niederreiter, Reinhart and their 1st. (this was inspired by a similar package someone proposed to move Lu to the Islanders yesterday)
-On draft day package the two firsts to move up to around 10th-12th and take Hunter Shinkaruk.

Boom, prospect cupboard restocked with players ready to contribute right away if needed.

Try not to flip out too hard at a Schneider trade proposal


Easy trade for Vancouver to make, but NYI gives up waaaaaaay too much. You've got their last two top 5 picks plus #15 for one player. As much as I love Schneider, no goalie in this league would get that return ...

Edit: 2 of their last 3 top 5 picks I should say (forgot Strome)

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I don't get how the Sedins play like crap in the playoffs then go play for their country and their freaking stars again, also most seems like they failed in the playoffs cause they had other plans.

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Edler for Eberle? Edmonton would have to add something substantial. His contract is a joke for what's likely to be 55-60 point player going forward (and he certainly wouldn't break that mark here on the 2nd line and 2nd PP unit).
How is Eberle a likely "55-60" point player??? Even discounting his big season, he scored at a 63 point pace this year. Considering he is just 23 I don't understand why you are regressing him so much?

And if you say his 76 pt year was an aberration, what do you say about Edler's two big years running the PP with the Sedins and (previously) Erhoff? How will he repeat those numbers in Edmonton, just as you question how Eberle will score on our 2nd line?

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I sincerely hope that you're not holding your breath waiting for more to happen.

I expect the same type of roster.

A new coach, new philosophy, and the young players getting time to develop in the NHL will help change the culture of the room.

Expecting more is a bit ridiculous. The cap is dropping, we have luongo and Ballard who certainly need to go.

People need realistic expectations moving forward. This isn't a "cup or bust" roster. Time to realize that.
I am expecting big change,s.and yes talking about some of our young guys getting a chance.But its time to get rid of some of the core group also.Mg stated that maybe bold moves might have to happen,but he has handuffed himself by handing out ntc,s like candy.

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I wouldn't trade Edler for Eberle, we don't need anymore small forwards.

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I wouldn't trade Edler for Eberle, we don't need anymore small forwards.
Well we do need some players who can score goals, regardless of their size.

ID rather have 5'11 Eberle than 6'3 Kassian if the latter doesn't develop an offensive game at some point in the next few years ...

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