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05-18-2013, 08:24 PM
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He said he stinks (Hagelin) 6 times.

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05-18-2013, 09:16 PM
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Screw movement. We need statues out there on the PP obviously

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05-18-2013, 10:17 PM
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He said he stinks (Hagelin) 6 times.

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Now sure what Torts was thinking there. Hagelin is what, in his second full season? Why bash a young kid who is still learning?

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That article makes me want to knock Torts' teeth out. What a jerk.

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05-18-2013, 10:22 PM
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Now sure what Torts was thinking there. Hagelin is what, in his second full season? Why bash a young kid who is still learning?
Not even. Season and a half

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05-18-2013, 11:55 PM
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Hi, I was just wondering what effect you think Tortorella's comments have on the players on the team.

I guess if you play any pro-sport in NYC you have to develop thick skin one way or the other - but I can't imagine it's helpful to have a coach sound off in the media about how bad a player is doing (young, especially...but old, too).

Also (and maybe this is a question for another thread) - but do you think re Hagelin it's a case of him playing "bad" in some general sense...or is it an experience thing...or maybe an injury thing?...or is he really not playing all that bad and Tortorella's just being an ******* (sorry - i've sort of "grazed" on the NYR games and haven't sat down and watched their entire games during the POs).

thanks in advance.

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05-18-2013, 11:58 PM
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Someone can correct me if I am wrong; but I remember earlier this season (?) Torts calling out Hagelin's play and he picked up his game for a pretty good stretch after that.

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Hi, I was just wondering what effect you think Tortorella's comments have on the players on the team.

I guess if you play any pro-sport in NYC you have to develop thick skin one way or the other - but I can't imagine it's helpful to have a coach sound off in the media about how bad a player is doing (young, especially...but old, too).

Also (and maybe this is a question for another thread) - but do you think re Hagelin it's a case of him playing "bad" in some general sense...or is it an experience thing...or maybe an injury thing?...or is he really not playing all that bad and Tortorella's just being an ******* (sorry - i've sort of "grazed" on the NYR games and haven't sat down and watched their entire games during the POs).

thanks in advance.
We have players who are inept and shouldn't be playing on the PP at all (Richards, Girardi), but you can bank on it that Torts will have them out on the PP.

At this point, we have all accepted that the coaches (Torts and Sully) approach the PP as if it were Egyptian hieroglyphics.

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05-19-2013, 01:00 AM
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Someone can correct me if I am wrong; but I remember earlier this season (?) Torts calling out Hagelin's play and he picked up his game for a pretty good stretch after that.
idk which time this was, but he seemed to change his game after torts said something about him trying to do too much or forcing it or something. simplified his game a ton. he seemed like he came into the season looking to become a 50 goal scorer and ignored the grind that torts loved about him. seemed like some words must've been said because he stopped trying to be a 1-man show and fell back to what worked so well last season.

not sure if that's what you're referencing... dunno if i'd attribute it to torts or not though.

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05-19-2013, 02:22 AM
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2013 Playoffs
Player PP TOI. Points
Nash. 31:20. 0
Richards. 31:19. 0
Stepan. 29:41. 0
Callahan. 28:46. 0
Zuccarello. 25:34. 2
Brassard. 25:13. 2
Boyle. 13:54. 1
Pyatt. 4:52. 0
Hagelin. 1:51. 0
Kreider. 0:45. 0


Tortorella is still trying to pound the round peg into the square hole with his stone age axe regarding the PP.

His "expert analysis", strategy, execution on the PP and his repeated, judge-mental, poor Choice of words twds a second year player more tHan stinks - it smells like a ton of shrimp that has been basking in the sun for months...

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That article makes me want to knock Torts' teeth out. What a jerk.
Yeah, wow, that was really uncalled for. Saying maybe once that he hasn't been effective would more than do the trick. But to throw one of the consistently hardest working players on the team under a bus over and over, I'm not seeing the point. At all. A coach isn't anything of a leader when he can never take responsibility himself and frequently throws his own guys on the train tracks. The guy's a low class bum.

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05-19-2013, 02:31 AM
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Torts really has a weird way of saying it. Pow-ah Pway.

Just a weird thing to say about Hagelin. Since when is a player, "too fast"?

And if Hagelin stinks on the PP, I can only imagine what Richards is.

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such a clown

really wish a reporter had asked him what we all know. What about the other players on the PP who have 0 points but continue to get time. What about his statement that Moore was running the PP and then isn't?

such a joke

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Just a weird thing to say about Hagelin. Since when is a player, "too fast"?

And if Hagelin stinks on the PP, I can only imagine what Richards is.
I think I can understand at least a fraction of what Torts is trying to say.

A player can actually be too fast if he skates/plays/thinks too fast in relation to his team mates.

Handing out a pass to where the receiver should have been, if he wasn't like 3 seconds late

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Now sure what Torts was thinking there. Hagelin is what, in his second full season? Why bash a young kid who is still learning?
Listen to what he says, he states that he loves what Hags is doing and that he's one the most important players on the team.

That's not exactly bashing.

He do state (repeatedly) that Hags stinks in the power play, but also that he doesn't understand why, because he shouldn't.

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05-19-2013, 05:17 AM
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He do state (repeatedly) that Hags stinks in the power play, but also that he doesn't understand why, because he shouldn't.
I don't think there is much he does understand about the pp.

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05-19-2013, 05:29 AM
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It did sound rude... I thought it was funny... But we don't know what happens behind closed doors. We know Torts is a motivator. We don't know even he spoke to Hags after this. This could just be a tactic.

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It did sound rude... I thought it was funny... But we don't know what happens behind closed doors. We know Torts is a motivator. We don't know even he spoke to Hags after this. This could just be a tactic.
Not likely any tactic, just Torts being Torts.

Several players, including Hagelin, has stated that while getting a hair drier style dress down in front of the whole team isn't a very pleasant experience, at least he's never ever playing any mind games.

If he thinks that a player has made an error he will express that opinion, loudly, and in total disregard of who else might be hearing it.

Even Hank has admitted to have been on the receiving end, but not very often (according to Hank that is).

Hags or Strålman (can't remember which of them) let slip in some swedish interview that the players do watch the video clips of their coach and giggle. But at a safe distance.


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Someone can correct me if I am wrong; but I remember earlier this season (?) Torts calling out Hagelin's play and he picked up his game for a pretty good stretch after that.
Yeah, that happened.

We don't know the team closely at all. Torts knows them in and out. I'm going to trust him on this.

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What a jerk. A coach should protect his players not talk trash about them in the media.

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What a jerk. A coach should protect his players not talk trash about them in the media.


You're kidding, right? It's pretty clear the players don't mind it at all. The last time Torts criticized Hagelin in public he went on a tear. He's one of the better motivators around.

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You're kidding, right? It's pretty clear the players don't mind it at all. The last time Torts criticized Hagelin in public he went on a tear. He's one of the better motivators around.
Motivator or not, Torts is a jerk...

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You're kidding, right? It's pretty clear the players don't mind it at all. The last time Torts criticized Hagelin in public he went on a tear. He's one of the better motivators around.
I don't think it's necessary to calling him out to the media. Stuff like that should be dealt with behind closed doors.

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Screw movement. We need statues out there on the PP obviously
Well our PK is known as the 5 statue or 5 column system, so you will need to find a different name for the PP.

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Now sure what Torts was thinking there. Hagelin is what, in his second full season? Why bash a young kid who is still learning?
Bash Hagelin but I have not heard him saying anything about his golden boy Richards or even Boyle.

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