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05-20-2013, 07:22 AM
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I think we should move Staal for a young scorer, someone like Eberle or Ryan
Maybe its not easily done, but if its one thing we lack its an offensive punch from the blueline.

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05-20-2013, 07:46 AM
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Revenues needs to be, what, $3,650,000,000 for the cap to reach 70m (HRR * 0.5 * 1.15 / 30 = 70,000,000) (disregarding benefits and inflation bumper)? That is "only" a 10 percent increase from the 2011/12 number.

Alot of factors will play in (like if the loonie goes down, so would HRR...), but from my point of view the NHL went like the train before the lockout, but it didn't show completely because of the finacial crisis. With Boston, NY, Chicago and LA still playing and seeming to be on track for good years ahead to, and many other positive indications, it just seems like -- from some distance -- that 10 percent growth over two calender years wouldn't be impossible. The inflation alone in the US is 4+ percent over that period of time.

Since we got the cap, people have constantly predicted way too low numbers. I think the NHL will have a good year next season.
Its not two calendar years. This season has no barring on the cap number. Revenues were revised downward for this season. Many of those big market teams have high ticket prices. They can't squeeze much more money for their seats. Phoenix is still in Phoenix for another season. Its May 20th. The NHL won't get a revenue bump from the Coyotes moving to another market. The Canadian TV deal will come into play in 15-16. Those factors pushed the cap up from $64.3M to $70.2M. In other years,it was the Canadian dollar. That has flatlined. The % increased from 54%-57% based on how much revenue the NHL generated. Now its a flat 50%.

You have always been way too optimistic with cap projections. The economy in the US still sucks.

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05-20-2013, 07:49 AM
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Maybe its not easily done, but if its one thing we lack its an offensive punch from the blueline.
The closest thing the Rangers have to offensive DMan in their system at this point is Calle Anderson and he's still at least 2 years away from even coming to North America.

Not really many UFA options other than an 800 year old Sergei Gonchar, a 500-year-old Mark Streit, or Corvo/Zdlicky.

Anton Babchuk could be a cheap intriguing reclamation project, but he expects to play in the KHL.

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05-20-2013, 08:41 AM
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The closest thing the Rangers have to offensive DMan in their system at this point is Calle Anderson and he's still at least 2 years away from even coming to North America.

Not really many UFA options other than an 800 year old Sergei Gonchar, a 500-year-old Mark Streit, or Corvo/Zdlicky.

Anton Babchuk could be a cheap intriguing reclamation project, but he expects to play in the KHL.
I would sign Streit to a 2 year contract easily. However, I think he stays on The Island.

Hendricks would be a good soldier for the Rangers. Similar player to Powe except he is a heavier hitter and a bit more of an agitatotor. Would be okay with him as a depth signing.

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05-20-2013, 10:52 AM
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with a Richards buyout, could a trade for Shea Weber be possible?

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05-20-2013, 10:57 AM
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with a Richards buyout, could a trade for Shea Weber be possible?
Possible? Yes. Probable. No.

Why would the Rangers go out and have to trade practically everyone away for such a long contract? I like Weber, but after year 7-8 that could be an awful contract.

The price, most likely, would be:

Stepan + Kreider + MDZ

It may take more.

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We don't need to improve our defense. We need to improve our offense.

Weber wouldn't solve our PP, either. NYR should be looking to move one of its blueliners for a scoring forward. MDZ or Staal. If they look to do anything at all.

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05-20-2013, 11:19 AM
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The Rangers need a Alex Goligoski for James Neal and Matt Niskanen trade. They get a first line forward and a servicable defenseman to replace the D lost in the trade. Del Zotto is the guy. Its not a matter of not liking or hating DZ. Its trading value for value.

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We don't need to improve our defense. We need to improve our offense.

Weber wouldn't solve our PP, either. NYR should be looking to move one of its blueliners for a scoring forward. MDZ or Staal. If they look to do anything at all.
Weber would be tremendous on the PP ... The problem is we don't have a cannon of a shot from the back end on the PP . Weber address that need ... If the PK have to worry about his shot it opens up room down low .... As it is right now they pressure our point cause they aren't scared at all

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Stop thinking the next move will win the Cup. The Knicks have the same mentality. They lost to Indiana and everyone is shocked and upset.

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05-20-2013, 11:38 AM
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We don't need to improve our defense. We need to improve our offense.

Weber wouldn't solve our PP, either. NYR should be looking to move one of its blueliners for a scoring forward. MDZ or Staal. If they look to do anything at all.
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The Rangers need a Alex Goligoski for James Neal and Matt Niskanen trade. They get a first line forward and a servicable defenseman to replace the D lost in the trade. Del Zotto is the guy. Its not a matter of not liking or hating DZ. Its trading value for value.
I 100% agree. I just wonder who is available in terms of forwards. Eberle or Hall IMO are most likely off limits. Would be great to move MDZ for one of them though.

Eriksson? Dallas has a ton of up and coming d-men already.

Skinner? Maybe for Staal if he proves he is healthy. Then again, I am not sure he would fit this teams style.

I doubt ROR gets moved after signing finally.

Ryan? Maybe Anaheim looks to move him now that they have Perry and Getzlaf locked up? They could use some help on the back-end.

Minnesota? They seem to be going all-in. Maybe they move someone like Granlund or Coyle as an up-and-coming forward +?

Who else would they target?

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05-20-2013, 11:55 AM
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ROR can't be moved until one full calendar year is up. February 28,2014. Sakic is the boss now in Colorado. He wasn't involved with the ROR contract mess. The Rangers need a legit top line forward who they can control. Bobby Ryan is two years away from group III.

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05-20-2013, 12:29 PM
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ROR can't be moved until one full calendar year is up. February 28,2014. Sakic is the boss now in Colorado. He wasn't involved with the ROR contract mess. The Rangers need a legit top line forward who they can control. Bobby Ryan is two years away from group III.
I don't know if Del Zotto makes a lot of sense for Anaheim though. I agree with the philosophy you're going with though. Maximize your assets.

Edmonton really makes the most sense, IMO. Selling their fans on Del Zotto is a pain, but whether they like it or not, he's the kind of defender the brass will be looking to add. Yakupov makes sense. Hall and Eberle are too expensive, and despite Eberle's down year, it'll be difficult to justify moving him after all the PR spin about RNH, Hall and Eberle being the saviors of that team.

Thought there was an opportunity with Tampa Bay, but I think they have less of a need for a guy like MDZ now.

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05-20-2013, 12:48 PM
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I don't know if Del Zotto makes a lot of sense for Anaheim though. I agree with the philosophy you're going with though. Maximize your assets.

Edmonton really makes the most sense, IMO. Selling their fans on Del Zotto is a pain, but whether they like it or not, he's the kind of defender the brass will be looking to add. Yakupov makes sense. Hall and Eberle are too expensive, and despite Eberle's down year, it'll be difficult to justify moving him after all the PR spin about RNH, Hall and Eberle being the saviors of that team.

Thought there was an opportunity with Tampa Bay, but I think they have less of a need for a guy like MDZ now.
I agree with Edmonton. They won't be able to pay all of those forwards AND ice a competent team. On top of that, they will have another high pick this season who they will have to pay eventually.

I would love RNH, but that isn't going to happen....

The Rangers need to find a way to bring in a good, young forward who can develop with THIS team.

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05-20-2013, 01:14 PM
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I don't know if Del Zotto makes a lot of sense for Anaheim though. I agree with the philosophy you're going with though. Maximize your assets.

Edmonton really makes the most sense, IMO. Selling their fans on Del Zotto is a pain, but whether they like it or not, he's the kind of defender the brass will be looking to add. Yakupov makes sense. Hall and Eberle are too expensive, and despite Eberle's down year, it'll be difficult to justify moving him after all the PR spin about RNH, Hall and Eberle being the saviors of that team.

Thought there was an opportunity with Tampa Bay, but I think they have less of a need for a guy like MDZ now.
Yakupov would be great. How much more than MDZ would it take? MDZ + Kreider + ?

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Yakupov would be great. How much more than MDZ would it take? MDZ + Kreider + ?
If they started tacking on top-end prospects to Del Zotto, I'd walk away. Kreider's value is in the toilet thanks to the over-hyping that occurred last season, so there's no sense in offering him up.

To be honest, I don't know what it would take. However, I believe Del Zotto's value is higher around the league than people think.

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Guys. I get that Staalsys injured right now. I know that none of us know whether or not his vision is ever going to be 100%. But every time I see someone mentioning moving him, I literally want to vomit. He is our BEST defensemen.

We've seen what kind of toll his absence takes on our blue line. Trading him away is not going to help this team what so ever. Its really quite unbelievable that people would even think about it.

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If they started tacking on top-end prospects to Del Zotto, I'd walk away. Kreider's value is in the toilet thanks to the over-hyping that occurred last season, so there's no sense in offering him up.

To be honest, I don't know what it would take. However, I believe Del Zotto's value is higher around the league than people think.
Agreed. A 22-23 year old top-4 puck mover is hard to find. And he has plenty of playoff experience already in his young career on one of the best defensive teams in the league.

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Yakupov would be great. How much more than MDZ would it take? MDZ + Kreider + ?
I wouldn't move Kreider with MDZ for Yakupov.

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You have always been way too optimistic with cap projections. The economy in the US still sucks.
I actually haven't...

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The cap is roughly 58m right now. During the worst crisis the last 80 years we have seen a 2% and 3% gain for the cap. Before that the gain was around 8-10% yearly. The cap also stands to gain a lot from the USD getting weaker and the CAD getting stronger.

If the cap goes up on avg 7.5% over the coming 10 years at the end of Vinny's contract the cap will be:
58x1.075^10=120m

If the cap goes up on avg 5% over the coming 10 years at the end of Vinny's contract the cap will be:
58x1.05^10=95m

If the cap goes up on avg 3% over the coming 10 years at the end of Vinny's contract the cap will be:
58x1.03^10=75m

Paying someone 7.8m in a 120m cap is like paying someone 3.7m today. In a 95m cap its like paying someone 4.7m today.

With a 120m cap -- the big stars will make 16-17m per. We would never, under no circumstances, still be paying LeCav top dollars when he is 40 y/o. We would not be paying him top dollars in 6 years when he is 35 y/o either...

I don't think 7.5% on avg over the coming 10 years is unrealistic at all.
I said 7.5% wasn't unrealistic -- at a time most where speculating on the cap going down -- and 7.5% from 2009 to 2013 would have given us 72m this season, the cap is 70m and the avg growth has been like 7.4%. I also nailed the the bump the league would get from the CAD...

It will dip next year yes, but that has nothing to do with growth but the players going from 57 to 50.

My amature view of this is that 5% growth for a growing business is very low. Its 3% after inflation. Its true that we had very little "real" growth (like Daly used to put it) for a couple of years after the financial crash, but those where the worst years for the economy post the 29' crash.

Its seems like historically, the people that knows the numbers and details look for where the revenues are going to come from and tries to predict what number possibly could increase -- and de facto fails to see the whole picture. If you think 3.6b HRR next season is out of the picture, I'll take your word for it (is 3.6b even enough for a 70m cap? How big of a effect does the benefits have on this?). I am just throwing darts at a wall.

But at the start of next season it will be two calender years from the start of 2011/2012 season when we had 3.3b in HRR. From that time, inflation is 4%. 1.5 seasons will have been played. If the "real" revenues grows 3% this season and 3% next season, its 10% in total with inflation.

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Stop thinking the next move will win the Cup. The Knicks have the same mentality. They lost to Indiana and everyone is shocked and upset.
I agree when it comes to forwards. But arguments could be made both ways when its comes to an offensive minded D. Its time that we get one. We haven't had a good offenisve minded D since Leetch.

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[QUOTE=RangerBoy;66333183]Stop thinking the next move will win the Cup. /QUOTE]

Say that all you want, but you can bet Sather is already working on moves that he thinks will win him another Stanley Cup (if the moves he's already made don't work now).

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it has nothing to do with one move to "win the cup". We should always be looking to improve the team through whatever avenues open themselves to us.

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If Vancouver is really looking to shake up the team there could be some decent names available.

If Richards is bought out, Kesler could be worth a look. Will likely have a hard time duplicating his career year but his contract is reasonable (3 more yrs at 5M for a 28 y/o) for a 60 pt C who has a bomb of a shot on the PP. Slot him in as 2nd/3rd line C with Brass and Stepan and the Rangers center depth looks good again.

This is not really grounded in anything. Canucks likely view Kesler as part of the solution not the problem. Edler would be tremendous as well, but same story. Doubt they move him. Would Van actually consider dealing the Sedins? Have to think they are getting a bit desperate.

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Stop thinking the next move will win the Cup.
Say that all you want, but you can bet Sather is already working on moves that he thinks will win him another Stanley Cup (if the moves he's already made don't work now).
Slats always make too many moves.

I don't have the time to go back now, but I did it a couple of years ago and there are a ton of examples of how we on a year by year basis turn around like 1/3 of the roster, and how a somewhat big portion of the moves never ment any real upgrade (like Jason Ward becoming Adam Hall becoming someone else)... Any move isolated might not indicate that something is wrong. But when 30 games of a regular season has been played, it have more or less regulary been an issue around this team that it took more time than anyone realised to build a group/team again, and some unforseen problem have occured (PK/lack of 4th line center/PP) and hurt the team.

Its hard to look at like getting Asham and/or Pyatt instead of keeping say Fedetenko and/or Mitchell and state that we shouldn't have done those moves, before or after. But undoubtedly during this entire season, it has been apparant that we had too many new guys on this roster and that we where hurt from so many not having chemistry.

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I agree Ola, sometimes it's too many movies.

That being said, if they can find a taker for Pyatt I'm fine with bringing back Feds on another one year deal as the 12th/13th forward. Powe would be the extra guy.

I think Feds still has enough left in the tank and he can really help Miller/Lindberg/Fast, and play on a line with those guys or move back with Boyle.

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