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05-20-2013, 08:25 AM
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Sabres offer...

- Myers
- Hodgson

For

- Nugent-Hopkins

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05-20-2013, 08:29 AM
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Sabres offer...

- Myers
- Hodgson

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No they don't...

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05-20-2013, 10:30 AM
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Nope, sorry.

Edmonton doesn't need a right handed d-man. They need a lefty.

I'm sure Ott would interest Oil fans, though.

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05-20-2013, 10:40 AM
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I feel like the Oilers are never getting out of the basement until they learn to stop overvaluing players that have led them to the longest current playoff drought in the league.

Sorry guys, but it's true.
So Yakupov (who has played only 1 season) led the Oilers to 7 straight seasons of missing the playoffs? Alrighty then.

People need to understand a couple of things.
The Big 4 are not the problem on the Oilers and are NOT the reason why the Oilers have missed the playoffs the last several seasons so there's no use dealing any of them as of now and that brings me to my second point. There's no use dealing any of them unless a surefire PROVEN top line player (whether it be center or defenseman) is coming back. Tyler Myers is not that. He has a boatload of talent but he has yet to put it together, too risky.

Again, The Oilers need legit, PROVEN top pairing defensemen (preferrably a LHD). Not more prospects and not more talented reclamation projects.
They already have good defenseman prospects who will pushing for spots the next couple of seasons. They don't need more unproven, young defensemen to cloud that picture even more.
They need somebody who can play the top pairing now, shelter J. Schultz and knock the rest of the defensemen down to where they belong (Smid and Petry to the 2nd pairing and the rest to the bottom pairing or pressbox).

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05-20-2013, 10:43 AM
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Myers was playing like crap before he suffered a major injury. Now he has to recover from the said injury, rehab it, get back up to strength just so he can start from being crap again while we hope he becomes to star he is meant to be. You want to take on 5.5 cap hit on that? Absolutely asinine. We need a functional Dman NOW not bet on his health. We did that with Whitney.

This also isn't a case of "struggling at times", it is a case of struggling for awhile and that was before the injury; which will probably exasperated whatever issues he had before hand.


Myers value is currently no where near Yakupov.
It's clear you know nothing about Myers.

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05-20-2013, 11:05 AM
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You really know nothing of the situation...

When a sophomore player is expected to step up and become a teams #1 defenseman, bad things tend to happen. Myers has not gotten worse, he has played worse because of lofty expectations and too much pressure.

The fact is, Myers is far more proven than Yak in the NHL and GM's would be lining up around the corner if he were on the block.
Pietrangelo, Karlsson, and Doughty have handled it just fine.

It's not what year he's in of his NHL career that has people afraid of him. It's that steady progressive decline.

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05-20-2013, 11:11 AM
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Pietrangelo, Karlsson, and Doughty have handled it just fine.

It's not what year he's in of his NHL career that has people afraid of him. It's that steady progressive decline.
tbf Karlsson was -30 and not playing #1 minutes in his sophomore year. It was his 3rd year that he stepped up and won the Norris, if I remember correctly.

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05-20-2013, 11:12 AM
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For Sabres fans clamoring about what the Oilers need to do or what their players are worth, just consider something:

Yakupov is a 1st overall pick. Look at the names over the last 10 years that he shares company with. Nash, Ovechkin, Crosby, Johnson, Kane, Stamkos, Tavares, Hall, RNH.

Look at what those players have become. Hall had Yakupov-like value after his first 1-2 NHL seasons. Look at the superstar he's become (top-10 in NHL scoring).

RNH and Yakupov are likely going to trend towards that same elite-level plateau - they're just not there yet. Trading them for their absolute value at age 18-19 is asinine without considering the potential that exists with forwards like that.

The Oilers don't really have players that have value outside of these kids - but they still have assets. Sam Gagner (65-pt scoring clip this year) and Ales Hemsky (when healthy a 50-60pt scoring threat) must retain SOME value around the league, and are likely players some desperate team will deal average-or-above bottom-6 players for.

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05-20-2013, 11:19 AM
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tbf Karlsson was -30 and not playing #1 minutes in his sophomore year. It was his 3rd year that he stepped up and won the Norris, if I remember correctly.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...Name=timeOnIce

Those are #1 minutes. But you're right, his defensive game was lacking. But it was still better than his rookie year. His offensive production was still better than his rookie year. He took it to another level in his 3rd year. And Myers just finished his 4th year.

Myers' offensive scoring rates have fallen steadily since his rookie year. His defensive play has fallen steadily since his rookie year. That's what has people worried.

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05-20-2013, 11:27 AM
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Pietrangelo, Karlsson, and Doughty have handled it just fine.

It's not what year he's in of his NHL career that has people afraid of him. It's that steady progressive decline.
Except it hasn't been a steady progressive decline. The 2011 playoffs were the best hockey he's ever played, and injuries marred his last two seasons as much as his play did. The putrid starts to the season are because Ruff keeps asking him to change his game (from an active stick style to more physicality) and add weight that his body can't actually handle, so he's stuck needing the first half of the year to get back into playing shape.

As for those guys, only one of them was asked to play the role Myers did in their sophomore seasons, and it was Pietrangelo after an extra year of development, and Karlsson's the only one to display actually consistent upward trajectory.

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05-20-2013, 11:54 AM
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Pietrangelo, Karlsson, and Doughty have handled it just fine.

It's not what year he's in of his NHL career that has people afraid of him. It's that steady progressive decline.
With all those players they were not proclaimed the #1 Dman on their team like Ruff did to Myers at 19.
Ruff wanted hm to change the way he played.

10-11 After his rookie year Lydman and Tallinder walked away as UFAs thus pushing Myers up to beng the #1 Dman at 19 to start the season.

11-12 he had njuries early in the season and was out about a month in November/December...played well at seasn end

12-13... Big contract kicked in---pressure on himself to justify the $$$. Played in Austria hurt his ankle. Us killing conditioning and not playing games. Wasn't 100% to start the year and the compressed schedule hurt hm. I think Buffalo played the most games over the first 5 weeks than almost all other teams. Second injury to end the season.

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05-20-2013, 02:22 PM
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No they don't...

Yes they do, you really think Hodgson has the same ceiling as RNH?

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05-20-2013, 03:30 PM
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Yes they do, you really think Hodgson has the same ceiling as RNH?
No one should, but it's not like we're adding something small to upgrade there. Myers is probably the most valuable player Buffalo owns and definitely the only player who could actually be a #1 defenseman. He's not going anywhere.

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05-20-2013, 03:37 PM
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Yes they do, you really think Hodgson has the same ceiling as RNH?
No but the difference between RNH and Hodgson is not Myers....

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05-20-2013, 03:40 PM
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Yes they do, you really think Hodgson has the same ceiling as RNH?
Who knows what each players "ceiling" is. Many players are drafted in the late rounds become absolute studs and those in early rounds become garbage. No one can predict the future...Pavel Dats "ceiling" was a career in the AHL.

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05-20-2013, 05:38 PM
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Yakupov had nothing to do with the playoff drought...

How many 1st overalls in the last decade have been traded?

E.J and his return was Shattenkirk and Stewart.

Kovi as a rental brought back 3 players and a 1st as a rental.

Even the Nash return worked out great for Columbus and crippled the Rangers.

You have to give up a lot to get a 1st overall player with Yak's talent.

A fair deal would be along the lines of Myers, Foligno + 1st this year.

It sounds like a lot to give up, but realistically Edmonton has no reason to move Yak. So any team would have to overpay if they wanted him.

Make a proposal for Eberle. He would be much cheaper value wise.
Crippled the Rangers? We got great depth added to our team without the sluggish Gaborik at first I hated the trade and now I actually really like the players we got. John Moore 21 years old a great 3rd pairing defencmen
Derrick Brassard has arguably been the best player for the Rangers this postseason.
Derek Dorsett has been a great gritty 3rd line addition.
Honestly, I would take these young guys over a guy who misses numerous amounts of games a year and is going to ask for alot of $$ in 2 years when the Rangers won't have enough cap room

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