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05-20-2013, 02:36 PM
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That is still not "stealing". Nobody forces clubs to sign contracts with KHL clauses.
The market does. If you don't offer one, someone will.

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Shipachev is rumored to go to CSKA and Tim Stapleton to Kazan.
yep, I heard but Shipachev is russian, CSKA has contract only with 2 foreigners - Sprukts, Stana. I think Morrison, Persson and Davis are leaving. Will CSKA have only 2 imports? Definitelly not.

Ak Bars is another story, they have signed 3 foreigners (Nieminen, Kapanen, Darzins), Immonen/Pesonen as UFA, Stapleton as newcomer. Maybe Ak Bars will bring some russian "big" name.

Who knows about Atlant, Donbass, Avangard, Loko, Magnitka and Traktor, Vladivostok, which have free foreinger´s spots.

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05-20-2013, 02:39 PM
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The market does. If you don't offer one, someone will.
In a real world "stealing" means you take something that is someone else's property. The players are not property of the clubs. If a player's contract has a clause that permits him to leave then he is free to do so. That is what contracts are for. To set the rules and regulations.

You can call the KHL "unfair" for overpaying players to get them but "stealing" is an incorrect term here.


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05-20-2013, 02:44 PM
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Ak Bars is another story, they have signed 3 foreigners (Nieminen, Kapanen, Darzins), Immonen/Pesonen as UFA, Stapleton as newcomer. Maybe Ak Bars will bring some russian "big" name.
I'm still puzzled why Ak Bars wants to use one of the precious foreign spots on Jani Nieminen? He had a horrible last season with Ak Bars and the club already has Barulin and Garipov which is a solid tandem.

I think Nieminen's contract will be bought out before the start of the season.

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In a real world "stealing" means you take something that does not belong to you. The players are not property of the clubs. If a player's contract has a clause that permits him to leave then he is free to do so. That is what contracts are for. To set the rules and regulations.

You can call the KHL "unfair" for overpaying players to get them but "stealing" is an incorrect term here.
I dont understand these complaints again and again. It is easy - "CBA" can ban KHL out clauses... if NHL CBA can ban negotiations club-club, some regulations in Finland can ban out clauses.

This "exodus" from SM-Liiga to KHL can be a reason why Finns will have KHL team in future. We will see

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have the same feeling


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05-20-2013, 02:53 PM
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I dont understand these complaints again and again. It is easy - "CBA" can ban KHL out clauses... if NHL CBA can ban negotiations club-club, some regulations in Finland can ban out clauses.
Banning the KHL clauses would be difficult. SM-liiga would have hard time explaining why players are allowed to leave for the NHL but not for the KHL in the middle of their contracts. Any player or an SM-liiga team could sue SM-liiga for this.

And even if the KHL clause ban was implemented it would only mean that most players with KHL potential would only sign 1 year contracts. Currently SM-liiga teams can lock up players with multi year contracts because of KHL clauses. This way SM-liiga teams can at least prevent players leaving for other SM-liiga teams and other leagues besides the KHL. For example Tuukka Mäntylä would have never signed a four (or five?) year contract with Tappara without a KHL clause.

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Banning the KHL clauses would be difficult. SM-liiga would have hard time explaining why players are allowed to leave for the NHL but not for the KHL in the middle of their contracts. Any player or an SM-liiga team could sue SM-liiga for this.
Since the SM-Liiga PA is a lot more powerful than e.g. the KHL one, I think they'd do the suing part. Though he is only an honorary chairman in the PA today, I doubt the league/clubs would want to go to court with Juha Rantasila.

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05-21-2013, 04:05 AM
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Daniil Zharkov (94) will play for Torpedo next season
http://www.hctorpedo.ru/index.php?newsid=4286

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I wonder why KHL is looking so hard for players from SM-liiga and Elitserien. What about NLA, DEL etc? Players not of good quality or don't want to come to Russia?

I mean Switzerland has a huge talent pool these days. A system that produces guys like Damien Brunner and Raphael Diaz should have even more good guys left.

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05-21-2013, 04:32 AM
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Finnish national team forward Sakari Salminen moves to KHL: http://www.iltasanomat.fi/khl/art-1288567144382.html

Iltasanomat did not mention Salminen's new club but I guess it will be Torpedo.

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I wonder why KHL is looking so hard for players from SM-liiga and Elitserien. What about NLA, DEL etc? Players not of good quality or don't want to come to Russia?

I mean Switzerland has a huge talent pool these days. A system that produces guys like Damien Brunner and Raphael Diaz should have even more good guys left.
I guess it is easier to get a player from SM-Liiga than NLA (clauses, lenght of contract) + cash is bigger in NLA (than SM/SEL) or not? + do swi guys want to play in Russia (non-russian club does not have money to pay them I think - not Donbass/Lev)

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I wonder why KHL is looking so hard for players from SM-liiga and Elitserien. What about NLA, DEL etc? Players not of good quality or don't want to come to Russia?
I would guess that the best Swiss players are good enough to play in the KHL but they rather stay in Switzerland, because salaries in Swiss league are almost as good as they are in the KHL.

Even the best Swiss players in their domestic are not good enough that the KHL teams would pay them the money like they are paying to likes of Radulov and Cervenka. It is impossible for the KHL to lure the best Swiss players away from the Swiss league if they are "only" offered something like 25% better salary that they would get at home. The elite Swiss players play in the NHL today and are mostly out of the reach for the KHL teams.

In the DEL there are not that many players who are good enough to fill a foreigner's role in a Russian KHL team.

Finland and Sweden produce a lot of good players who are not good enough for the NHL but who are capable of playing in a major role in the KHL. They are coming to the KHL because the gap in salaries between the KHL and their domestic leagues is so wide.

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Finnish national team forward Sakari Salminen moves to KHL: http://www.iltasanomat.fi/khl/art-1288567144382.html

Iltasanomat did not mention Salminen's new club but I guess it will be Torpedo.
Good news, confirmed by KalPa if I understand it (google )

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Good news, confirmed by KalPa if I understand it (google )
Good news for Salminen and Torpedo, bad news for Kalpa.

Yes, Kalpa confirmed the transfer so it is official.

Salminen is a skilled and fast winger who should do well in the KHL. I would say he is as good as Janne Pesonen but not as good as Juhamatti Aaltonen.

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Salminen is already in Torpedos' rooster

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Torpedo wants that 8th spot in the East ever so desperately)

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Curious to why Zharkov chose Torpedo? They are going to be stacked this year, hopefully he will see good ice time.

Also Kostenko back to Novokuznetsk.

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Kopriva -> Slovan (1 year)

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Curious to why Zharkov chose Torpedo? They are going to be stacked this year, hopefully he will see good ice time.

Also Kostenko back to Novokuznetsk.
he's a "limit" player, Torpedo doesn't have any talent in the MHL.

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6 new players for Yugra
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Ketov is in Torpedo as well..

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Ketov is in Torpedo as well..
Severstal' has 7 days to repeat Torpedo's offer
but looks like they won't
so no official news about Ketov next 7 days

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Stapleton, Denisov and Murphy leave Minsk.. Tough losses to take. Stapleton likely to entertain NHL offers. Shalunov likely to play in AHL next year and unfortunately Tkachyov who was spectacular at the U18's will likely go to the CHL. He scored the nicest goal of the tournament if you haven't seen it check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDSwAnamiHY


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Stapleton, Denisov and Murphy leave Minsk.. Tough losses to take. Stapleton likely to entertain NHL offers.
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unfortunately Tkachyov will go to the CHL.
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