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05-19-2013, 05:56 PM
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Inconsistent team is inconsistent. But hey, another win in a Pettibone started game!

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If Bone keeps it up, anyone think he might be in the run for rookie of the year?

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Well nobody wants that but when the team sucks there are ways of making it better
They should probably tap in to the farm system, oh wait.
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If Bone keeps it up, anyone think he might be in the run for rookie of the year?
He's getting pretty "lucky" as they would say in the sabr world. The numbers say he's due to hit a rut eventually.

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They should probably tap in to the farm system, oh wait.

He's getting pretty "lucky" as they would say in the sabr world. The numbers say he's due to hit a rut eventually.
Can you explain the sabr comment? I don't know jack about sabrmetrics (just never really read into it) so I'm pretty skeptical of these things.

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Can you explain the sabr comment? I don't know jack about sabrmetrics (just never really read into it) so I'm pretty skeptical of these things.
Basically, looking at the numbers, the experts argue that what he has going right now isn't sustainable. 1) There's not really good scouting on him and teams are seeing him for the first time 2) His stuff isn't that great. He's got a low 90s fastball and a changeup. He has a few other pitches that he doesn't really have control of yet. 3) He's projected as a #5 currently putting up ace like numbers. As you can see with previous Phillies rookies like Happ and Worley, they just aren't that good.

Now once in a great while, you'll have something like Kendrick where he develops more pitches, gets better command, and pitches with confidence and he can become better than where his numbers originally projected him. But that takes a lot of hard work and years of dedication. It wasn't until mid last year that Kendrick finally got it.

The good news is that the Phillies seem to bring one of these guys up every year and teams don't seem to figure them out until their 2nd year. So hopefully the trend continues.

I really don't know what to do with this team. Like I said, I can't root for them to lose but they can't compete like this. 17 scoreless innings against average pitching is not going to win you anything. I'm happy to watch them come back and win, but my mind tells me that this isn't going to get it done. I want what's best for them but it's not going to happen if they keep straddling the .500 line.

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Can you explain the sabr comment? I don't know jack about sabrmetrics (just never really read into it) so I'm pretty skeptical of these things.
http://www.fangraphs.com/library/pitching/fip/

This explains it a bit.

Basically, he doesn't have great swing and miss stuff so there's a a better chance for him to get hit around as he pitches more at the big league level.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...106&position=P

As you can see his FIP, xFIP, and FIP- are all considered "poor". Even after his game today, those indicators went up (mainly because of a poor K/BB ratio and a 9 H/9 today).


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http://www.fangraphs.com/library/pitching/fip/

This explains it a bit.

Basically, he doesn't have great swing and miss stuff so there's a a better chance for him to get hit around as he pitches more at the big league level.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...106&position=P

As you can see his FIP, xFIP, and FIP- are all considered "poor". Even after his game today, those indicators went up (mainly because of a poor K/BB ratio and a 9 H/9).
I can understand that, but how are these calculated and who determines what a good number is? Like, say Homer Bailey has a FIP of 2, and Cliff Lee has a FIP of 1.5 (I have no idea.) That says Bailey is better than Lee, when we know that isn't true?

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I can understand that, but how are these calculated and who determines what a good number is? Like, say Homer Bailey has a FIP of 2, and Cliff Lee has a FIP of 1.5 (I have no idea.) That says Bailey is better than Lee, when we know that isn't true?
After the numbers are compiled they are added to a constant to put them into terms of an ERA, so that they're easier to make sense of. So if you see an FIP belowe 3.00 you'd think of it as an ERA below 3.00. FIP is comprised of K's, BB's, and HR's since the pitcher has more control over these numbers than something like Runs, which the defense can help out or hurt you in. FIP stands for Fielder Independent Pitching.

It is also an account of what has actually happened, so if someone is striking out more people and walking fewer people, while not letting up home runs they will have a better FIP. For example Halladay lead the league in FIP in 2011 and was 2nd to Cliff Lee in 2010.

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After the numbers are compiled they are added to a constant to put them into terms of an ERA, so that they're easier to make sense of. So if you see an FIP belowe 3.00 you'd think of it as an ERA below 3.00. FIP is comprised of K's, BB's, and HR's since the pitcher has more control over these numbers than something like Runs, which the defense can help out or hurt you in. FIP stands for Fielder Independent Pitching.

It is also an account of what has actually happened, so if someone is striking out more people and walking fewer people, while not letting up home runs they will have a better FIP. For example Halladay lead the league in FIP in 2011 and was 2nd to Cliff Lee in 2010.
Ah okay, thank you for the education!

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Poor Cole, yet another game he started with no run support.

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Poor Cole, yet another game he started with no run support.
Poor all our starters. They get almost no run support no matter who starts.

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I have an advanced stat: the Phillies starters lead the major leagues in BSRS with 30 starts. BSRS = BULL **** RUN SUPPORT.

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I have an advanced stat: the Phillies starters lead the major leagues in BSRS with 30 starts. BSRS = BULL **** RUN SUPPORT.
For the second year in a row, they lead the league in a very bad stat: TMCOM. Too Much Chad On Mound.

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ToddZolecki Cole Hamels walked out of the clubhouse without a word. Frustrated with another L? Awful run support?

Ugh, Poor Cole. I can't imagine how frustrated he is right now. It just sucks to watch

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He hasnt gotten any run support but he hasnt been pitching very well either.

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He hasnt gotten any run support but he hasnt been pitching very well either.
He hasn't been pitching like Cole Hamels but he hasn't been pitching bad either. In his last 8 starts, Cole has a 3.12 ERA. Tonight, he was throwing 95 and had ten strikeouts. There is no reason he should be 1-7, that's insane.

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He hasn't been pitching like Cole Hamels but he hasn't been pitching bad either. In his last 8 starts, Cole has a 3.12 ERA. Tonight, he was throwing 95 and had ten strikeouts. There is no reason he should be 1-7, that's insane.
Im in no way saying he has been bad, he can just be alot better. His walk and home run rate are up while his strikeouts are down. I know he didnt walk anyone last night, but he is having issues with walking too many people. He has hardly ever got any run support over his career.

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Im in no way saying he has been bad, he can just be alot better. His walk and home run rate are up while his strikeouts are down. I know he didnt walk anyone last night, but he is having issues with walking too many people. He has hardly ever got any run support over his career.
Like I said, he's had issues but you seem to be implying that it's Cole's fault they are losing all these games. If my pitcher has a 3.14 ERA over the last 8 games, I am ecstatic no matter how he got those numbers. He's battled despite his problems and he's given them a chance to win every time. Honestly, Cole would have to pitch complete game shutouts to have any better of a record. The offense needs to do way better than this. Getting one run against an awful Marlins pitcher is an embarrassment. I'm glad Cole is mad. I wish more people on this team got angry.

You are 4-4 against a AAA team. They all just sit around clamoring about how they've got to do better. Get pissed off, damnit. Utley was called out at 2nd in the 8th on a terrible call by the ump. Charlie came out and argued for what? Two seconds? Someone get thrown out. Someone show some life. Someone do something to light a fire in this team. Have some damn pride, they're like a bunch of damn zombies out there 90% of the time.

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Anyone see this? Sanabia evidently juicing the ball last night?

http://mlb.si.com/2013/05/21/alex-sa...lins-phillies/



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I don't have much hope for the game tonight unless they learn how to hit against this Jose Fernandez guy. In his two starts against the Phillies this season he has 13 IP, 0 runs, 3 hits, 3 walks, 14 strikeouts.

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After 8 tries at getting over 2 games under .500, they finally do it tonight. Small victories I guess.

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Lee is unreal right now.

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After 8 tries at getting over 2 games under .500, they finally do it tonight. Small victories I guess.
Sounds similar to another Philadelphia team this year...

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Amazing performance by Lee. One game under .500 w/ a 4 game series coming up. Pretty simple, win this series get over .500

Fingers crossed

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