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05-20-2013, 03:33 PM
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play better. refs didn't make them lose. they were 0-5 on the pp in game 2. the hit by the rangers player was high and super late, the retaliation was nothing, so the ref let it go.
That's besides the point, that comment brings into question the integrity of the game.

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05-20-2013, 04:09 PM
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90% of the time I wish he had a muzzle on, but the sad part is that the only person who is going to have to answer to the League is Mcquire. Last year he took some grief from reporters for refusing to say what Torts and Deboer were screaming at each other aboutbetween the benches. Iím glad this time he said it. Look for team Bettman to muzzle him.

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Why does it matter how Tort likes it? There's a ****ing rulebook

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this Is Why i Take Nhl Games With a grain of salt these days. fake wrestling might be better officiated lol
no matter what happens there will always be some1 saying theres no bias.

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05-20-2013, 04:40 PM
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Or What The League Allows ,the refs have to do what the league says ,tIthe fact that they arent held accountable is one proof. wouldnt be surprised if they have earpieces or at least Have "Discussions" in the dressing room.

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Should Be League Wide Fans By Now. Some Choose To Be Blind To It.Hey Its my #1 sport But Gotta Call It Like It Is. other leagues and even olympics and world Championships are much better officiated.

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No we're not. We're not using it as an excuse as to why we lost. If we got the PP, we still would've lost. We're not BLAMING the refs for our loss. It's the principle of the whole thing. It just goes to show that the officiating in this league is horse **** when it chooses to be, and that refs may be influenced by bias, whatever that bias may be.

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No we're not. We're not using it as an excuse as to why we lost. If we got the PP, we still would've lost. We're not BLAMING the refs for our loss. It's the principle of the whole thing. It just goes to show that the officiating in this league is horse **** when it chooses to be, and that refs may be influenced by bias, whatever that bias may be.
No, I assure you, its whining.

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No we're not. We're not using it as an excuse as to why we lost. If we got the PP, we still would've lost. We're not BLAMING the refs for our loss. It's the principle of the whole thing. It just goes to show that the officiating in this league is horse **** when it chooses to be, and that refs may be influenced by bias, whatever that bias may be.
Amen. I didn't really need Mcquire to say what we heard. It just confirms what I knew all along. Again, as stated above, we would have lost anyway, but it smacks you in the face, about the integrity of this league.

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For an official to change his decision based on a coach yelling at him would be end of the official.
Half being serious and half joking, but are you sure you watch a lot of the NHL? That happens all the time. I've pointed it out plenty of times and it has been noted plenty of times.

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This incident was brought up in the Sens Around the NHL thread. I'll repost what I wrote here:


Just another symptom of the problem with this league.

Players and coaches are supposed to yell and complain about calls/non-calls (to an extent). It's part of the overall gamesmanship. I get it that Torts would give the guy heck to try and get a call later on in the game.

For the refs to respond is poor self control. Refs are supposed to be above the verbal jousting. Either skate away or call a bench minor.



Just to add, there has been a significant downgrade in the quality of officiating in this league over the last 6-7 years. Part of it is the new reactionary trend we're seeing in the league office. They're too quick to change and tweak rules every season, or on the fly, based on the fear of bad media or some jackwater columnist writing an article about hockey they don't like. There's also been significant change in the officials' office the past few years, with at least 4-5 different changes to the head of officiating over the past decade.

The league needs to sit down and have a new mandate. These are the rules, this is how it's being called, and we are not re-opening the rulebook or making changes every season. We will have an opportunity every 5th year to make tweaks, but that's it. No more fiddling around for the sake of change.

The league needs consistency and a solid understanding of what is and isn't a penalty. Stick to a set of standards.

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05-20-2013, 10:28 PM
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This incident was brought up in the Sens Around the NHL thread. I'll repost what I wrote here:


Just another symptom of the problem with this league.

Players and coaches are supposed to yell and complain about calls/non-calls (to an extent). It's part of the overall gamesmanship. I get it that Torts would give the guy heck to try and get a call later on in the game.

For the refs to respond is poor self control. Refs are supposed to be above the verbal jousting. Either skate away or call a bench minor.



Just to add, there has been a significant downgrade in the quality of officiating in this league over the last 6-7 years. Part of it is the new reactionary trend we're seeing in the league office. They're too quick to change and tweak rules every season, or on the fly, based on the fear of bad media or some jackwater columnist writing an article about hockey they don't like. There's also been significant change in the officials' office the past few years, with at least 4-5 different changes to the head of officiating over the past decade.

The league needs to sit down and have a new mandate. These are the rules, this is how it's being called, and we are not re-opening the rulebook or making changes every season. We will have an opportunity every 5th year to make tweaks, but that's it. No more fiddling around for the sake of change.

The league needs consistency and a solid understanding of what is and isn't a penalty. Stick to a set of standards.
agreed. big downgrade.
all it needs is us hfboard members to take over and all will be well . hear us roar lol
actually u guys should sign up with the nhlfa like me.u can voice that opinion there.

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05-20-2013, 10:32 PM
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Eh, if the refs are calling the game to favor anything it wont be for one team to win, it will be for game 7's to happen...

Then they let the teams play. Probably favors the Rangers even playing on the road

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Wasnt the PP count 5 for NYR 1 for BOS?

Not sure why we complaining about refs!

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Wasnt the PP count 5 for NYR 1 for BOS?

Not sure why we complaining about refs!
Possibly because you didn't comprehend the OP. It's not a complaint the refs per se, it's a complaint/concern that the refs aren't adhering to the rulebook correctly.

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Half being serious and half joking, but are you sure you watch a lot of the NHL? That happens all the time. I've pointed it out plenty of times and it has been noted plenty of times.
I've honestly never seen it. The only time I've seen a ref assess a penalty they originally didn't is if a player is injured, they tend to give a minor.

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**** like that just makes me want that much more for the league to implement a coach's challenge.

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Wasnt the PP count 5 for NYR 1 for BOS?

Not sure why we complaining about refs!
It's not about number of penalties, it's about consistency.

If Boston commits 20 fouls and gets caught 5 times, where the Rangers commit 1 foul and get caught once, would you consider that a good job by the refs?

It's about having and maintaining a set of standards. Not just going by the "flow" of the game, or the time on the scoreboard, or which teams are palying, or who has the loudest home ice fans, how much the team/coaches squawk on the bench, etc.

It's maddening watching games where you have no idea what the refs will and won't call. One game everything is called. The next game, nothing. One period it's tight, third period all hell breaks loose and no calls.

How does the NHL expect to gain and retain new fans when it's nearly impossible to even explain the rules of the game, when long-time fans can't even tell you why a penalty is/isn't called?

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It's not about number of penalties, it's about consistency.

If Boston commits 20 fouls and gets caught 5 times, where the Rangers commit 1 foul and get caught once, would you consider that a good job by the refs?

It's about having and maintaining a set of standards. Not just going by the "flow" of the game, or the time on the scoreboard, or which teams are palying, or who has the loudest home ice fans, how much the team/coaches squawk on the bench, etc.

It's maddening watching games where you have no idea what the refs will and won't call. One game everything is called. The next game, nothing. One period it's tight, third period all hell breaks loose and no calls.

How does the NHL expect to gain and retain new fans when it's nearly impossible to even explain the rules of the game, when long-time fans can't even tell you why a penalty is/isn't called?
This.

How many times - even in the regular season - have we seen two teams play very cautiously? It's not that they are trying to get a feel of one another but they aren't sure if the refs are going to use their whistles.

I am getting and sick and tired of hearing "oh, they are letting them play" for one game, only to hear "oh, they're calling everything" for the other.

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not sure if i remember this completely...

hypothetical
~torts gave the ref crap about a similar penalty in the past. if the players were reversed, callahan may not get penalized for retaliating. torts can't have it both ways. i dislike our officiating, but what the ref said doesn't really prove anything, just that the 2 disagreed before.

HOWEVER
if pierre is going to speak, he should use context before shading the league.

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We didn't lose the game because of the refs, but I have a big problem if we have biased refs calling our games. You will never have a ref undo a judgment call because the coach or players are complaining, but you don't mock them for the no-call. That's just shows a lack of respect from the ref.

I'm a ref in both soccer and handball, the longest in soccer, and I can remember just one time I have changed a call based on something a player (or coach) have said to me during the situastion. I was calling a indoor soccer game. The ball was over the end line and the goalkeeper tried to throw the ball into play again, but had an attacker in his way. Then the goalie decide to punch the attacker with the ball. I blew the wisthle, called a penalty kick and gave the goalie a red card (ejected him). Within the situastion a defender said that he agreed with the card, but it shouldn't be a penalty kick, which he was right. The ball tecnically was never in play after it went out of bound, and therefore the penalty kick couldn't be called. And that was the only reason I changed the call from a penalty kick to the goalkeepers ball. The red card still stood as given, but it would have been a clear breach of the rules to give the penalty kick.

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I've honestly never seen it. The only time I've seen a ref assess a penalty they originally didn't is if a player is injured, they tend to give a minor.
It happens on a regular basis. They also react to crowd noise, which is just as bad.

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It's called game management guys, it's also the playoffs

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Rangers did not lose that game because of the refs. Refs botch calls against both teams throughout a series. Calls tend to balance out and the better team generally wins. Right now the Bruins are the better team.

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