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05-13-2013, 07:23 PM
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Ladd, without a doubt.

And I say that as one of Byfuglien's biggest fans in 2010.

We don't need a defenseman, and as a forward Buff was the definition of inconsistency.
Hit the nail right on the head.

Drop Zeus for Ladd, I'm all over it.

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I think you couildn't go wrong with either Ladd of Byfuglien, but I would choose Buf.

You could use Buf in front of the net on the PP, but I think he might be even more dangerous as the point man on the PP with his booming shot. I'd probably prefer him in his 2010 role as forward, but if he has to play defense I'l be pretty happy with that too by having him replace Roszival (and have Roszival replace Brookbank as #7 d-man).

Keith-Hjalmarsson
Leddy-Seabrook
Oduya-Byfuglien

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05-13-2013, 09:36 PM
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I think you couildn't go wrong with either Ladd of Byfuglien, but I would choose Buf.

You could use Buf in front of the net on the PP, but I think he might be even more dangerous as the point man on the PP with his booming shot. I'd probably prefer him in his 2010 role as forward, but if he has to play defense I'l be pretty happy with that too by having him replace Roszival (and have Roszival replace Brookbank as #7 d-man).

Keith-Hjalmarsson
Leddy-Seabrook
Oduya-Byfuglien
Duncan Keith statistics since the cup 203GP 14G 112Pts .56PPG

Byfuglein had more goals his first year with the Jets than Keith did the last three years combined with the Hawks.

Dustin Byfuglein stats since the cup 190GP 40G 134Pts .71PPG

I would have it like this
Byfuglein Hjalmarsson
Keith - Seabrook
Leddy - Oduya

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05-13-2013, 09:39 PM
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Keith is twice the defenseman Buff is/will ever be. It's not always about stats. Buff's got an elite shot, and he takes advantage of it. He's average defensively. Keith's by far the better Dman.

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05-13-2013, 09:41 PM
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Duncan Keith statistics since the cup 203GP 14G 112Pts .56PPG

Byfuglein had more goals his first year with the Jets than Keith did the last three years combined with the Hawks.

Dustin Byfuglein stats since the cup 190GP 40G 134Pts .71PPG

I would have it like this
Byfuglein Hjalmarsson
Keith - Seabrook
Leddy - Oduya
Byfuglien is horrendous as dman

That would be recipe for loss

It was getting Buff off D that helped turn around Hawks playoffs

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05-13-2013, 09:43 PM
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Byfuglien is horrendous as dman

That would be recipe for loss

It was getting Buff off D that helped turn around Hawks playoffs
It was getting Campbell back that helped turn around the Hawks playoffs. Buff was playing fine on D. Not great, but not bad.

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Brian Campbell....drop Rozsival.

It isn't that Rozsival is terrible, he is just the one that would be moved to open space for Campbell...

Keith-Oduya
Campbell- Hjalmarsson
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05-13-2013, 09:55 PM
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Brian Campbell....drop Rozsival.

It isn't that Rozsival is terrible, he is just the one that would be moved to open space for Campbell...

Keith-Oduya
Campbell- Hjalmarsson
Seabrook-Leddy
If it was Campbell, it'd be Leddy or Oduya that'd be dropped.

Keith - Seabrook
Hammer - Campbell
Leddy/Oduya - Rozsival

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05-13-2013, 10:33 PM
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Buff AINEC. The PP needs him badly to be camped in front of the opposing goalie.
With the way our PP currently runs itself a strong net presence wouldn't help much. We either A) struggle to get the shots we take on not (Keith, Seabs) or B) we don't take them to begin with. In order for the strong net presence to be effective, we have to be more effective in increasing shots on net/crease traffic.

We pretty much suck in every facet a PP can be broken down into. It would take a full offseason/preseason with a fundamental overhaul to fix this mess.

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I think you couildn't go wrong with either Ladd of Byfuglien, but I would choose Buf.

You could use Buf in front of the net on the PP, but I think he might be even more dangerous as the point man on the PP with his booming shot. I'd probably prefer him in his 2010 role as forward, but if he has to play defense I'l be pretty happy with that too by having him replace Roszival (and have Roszival replace Brookbank as #7 d-man).

Keith-Hjalmarsson
Leddy-Seabrook
Oduya-Byfuglien
This would be the more attractive part of Buff's game IMO considering how we currently run things.

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05-13-2013, 10:38 PM
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For the record, I'd take Ladd. Two-way forwards who can score and be physical are extremely rare. Can't have enough of them.

Not to mention he's just a far superior player.

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05-14-2013, 02:35 AM
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Current form Buff is probably completely out of shape and weighs 300lbs since the regular season ended a couple weeks ago.
Sadly, this. I heard this was one of the main reasons there was no attempt to resign Buff. ALWAYS the first to crack a beer.

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05-14-2013, 03:09 AM
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Ladd for me. That great Playoff run by Buff in 2010 is clouding how maddeningly inconsistent he was. There'd be 20 game stretches where you forgot he existed... scratch that, you'd notice him when he'd take a dumb tripping penalty in the offensive zone but nothing positive.

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05-14-2013, 09:05 AM
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Duncan Keith statistics since the cup 203GP 14G 112Pts .56PPG

Byfuglein had more goals his first year with the Jets than Keith did the last three years combined with the Hawks.

Dustin Byfuglein stats since the cup 190GP 40G 134Pts .71PPG
Who cares what the points say?

Keith is clearly better.

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05-14-2013, 04:29 PM
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no he is not, just look at all the goals Buff scored

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Sadly, this. I heard this was one of the main reasons there was no attempt to resign Buff. ALWAYS the first to crack a beer.
Byfuglien was traded. Not unsigned. The reason he was traded was because he was overpaid for what he brought in the in regular season and his value was at it's peak.

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05-14-2013, 11:23 PM
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Cam Barker who would immediately be traded to the Wild for Brodin.

Campbell would be my add and Oduya given the boot.

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05-15-2013, 12:33 AM
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the impact Campbell would have over Oduya compared to Ladd/Buff over Bollig/Berg/Carcillo isn't as good as you may think.

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Ladd for the reasons already stated plus his leadership intangibles/qualities - which curiously no one mentioned, unless I missed it.


Buff was an empty XXXXL jersey for long stretches.

Now if we were playing Luongo every series...

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05-20-2013, 09:35 PM
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It's not even close, one Buff away from being a real playoff team.

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05-20-2013, 11:42 PM
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Toews.

This current one...ugh

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If we're talking about current form, it's obviously Ladd. He has the playing style, leadership and heart this team is a bit short. Buff of the 2010 playoffs was a one time thing and he'll never be that player again.

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Versteeg not responsible enough in the neutral zone-no
Kronwall, like any physical 1st pair dman, slams the door down on Buff- so no.
Crawford has been good enough so I don't need Niemi.
Ladd would be my 2nd choice by a very slim margin. In most series, I would want Ladd over anybody.
Detroit offers opportunities to spread out the ice and Campbell would probably be best suited for that. I'll take Soupy for this series despite his physical issues.

If they are going to lose the series, I'll want Burish back solely for interviews.

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Versteeg not responsible enough in the neutral zone-no
Kronwall, like any physical 1st pair dman, slams the door down on Buff- so no.
Crawford has been good enough so I don't need Niemi.
Ladd would be my 2nd choice by a very slim margin. In most series, I would want Ladd over anybody.
Detroit offers opportunities to spread out the ice and Campbell would probably be best suited for that. I'll take Soupy for this series despite his physical issues.

If they are going to lose the series, I'll want Burish back solely for interviews.


Kronwall would bounce off of Buff like every player in the league.

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Kronwall would bounce off of Buff like every player in the league.
Kronwall is good with the stick and doesn't get knocked around much in the crease. Buff has not had much of any success against a physically capable dman in his career.

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