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05-21-2013, 08:17 AM
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Being an NHL referee is one of the toughest jobs in the world. The speed of the game is incredible and the tenure of every game is different.

Incessant complaining and whining about the officiating doesnt respect how difficult of a job it is. I'd like to see some of you try to referee an NHL game.

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Being an NHL referee is one of the toughest jobs in the world. The speed of the game is incredible and the tenure of every game is different.

Incessant complaining and whining about the officiating doesnt respect how difficult of a job it is. I'd like to see some of you try to referee an NHL game.
And as I've been saying on the main boards pretty much since I joined the site, if there wasn't so much whining (at every level) more people might actually want to do the job and good refs won't quit because of some beer league/high school players with over inflated egos, not to mention youth hockey parents.

NHL refs may be bad but they are the best in the world at the job they do, people always call for refs to be fired as if there were a massive queue of competent guys waiting for a callup. Anyone who has ever watched a world championship knows this isn't the case.

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Honestly, I think everyone is reading into the comment too much. I think it's more likely the ref thought it was appropriate to not make a call on the play just to "let the players play" and then when Torts started yelling at him he was trying to explain to Torts that even though it could be called there's something to be said for letting the players play and Torts should appreciate that himself.

The fact is that there is a huge grey area in the NHL regarding what's a penalty and what's not when it comes to some of the rough stuff.

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05-21-2013, 10:24 AM
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Honestly, I think everyone is reading into the comment too much. I think it's more likely the ref thought it was appropriate to not make a call on the play just to "let the players play" and then when Torts started yelling at him he was trying to explain to Torts that even though it could be called there's something to be said for letting the players play and Torts should appreciate that himself.

The fact is that there is a huge grey area in the NHL regarding what's a penalty and what's not when it comes to some of the rough stuff.
I guess punching the captain in the face is just letting them play.

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05-21-2013, 10:26 AM
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It's not about number of penalties, it's about consistency.

If Boston commits 20 fouls and gets caught 5 times, where the Rangers commit 1 foul and get caught once, would you consider that a good job by the refs?

It's about having and maintaining a set of standards. Not just going by the "flow" of the game, or the time on the scoreboard, or which teams are palying, or who has the loudest home ice fans, how much the team/coaches squawk on the bench, etc.

It's maddening watching games where you have no idea what the refs will and won't call. One game everything is called. The next game, nothing. One period it's tight, third period all hell breaks loose and no calls.

How does the NHL expect to gain and retain new fans when it's nearly impossible to even explain the rules of the game, when long-time fans can't even tell you why a penalty is/isn't called?
Agreed and I want to add integrity. The comment by O’hallaran should be dealt with by the league. Instead nothing will be done and it gives Dan and other Refs no incentive to stop.
As far as people saying we sound like Washington, even if we won the damn game, I'd be posting the same thing. It has nothing to do with losing. If Mcguire doesn’t say what he heard, you’d never know why Torts had a tantrum. The sad part is that the only thing that will come out of this is that nothing except muzzling Mcguire will be done.
Perhaps the biggest joke is that McCreary is the Supervisor of Officials.

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05-21-2013, 10:43 AM
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I guess punching the captain in the face is just letting them play.
Does it matter whether it was our captain or not? It seems you included that because you think that makes it especially egregious, which shows me that you accept the grey area I was talking about.

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05-21-2013, 10:47 AM
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Does it matter whether it was our captain or not? It seems you included that because you think that makes it especially egregious, which shows me that you accept the grey area I was talking about.
It doesn't matter that it was a captain, Does it matter that it was a punch to the face for you. I don't feel that punching someone in the face is "just letting them play".

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Sounding like the Caps board in here. Refs did not decide that game. The players did. The better team won.

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05-21-2013, 11:08 AM
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Sounding like the Caps board in here. Refs did not decide that game. The players did. The better team won.
Sounding like another person who doesn't know how to read peoples' posts and just jumps to conclusions.

How many times must we say we aren't blaming the refs for the outcome of the game? If we got a PP we would've lost anyway, I'm sure of it.

The issue with what the ref said is that it challenges the integrity of the game and shows flaws in the officiating. That is horse ****.

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Honestly, I think everyone is reading into the comment too much. I think it's more likely the ref thought it was appropriate to not make a call on the play just to "let the players play" and then when Torts started yelling at him he was trying to explain to Torts that even though it could be called there's something to be said for letting the players play and Torts should appreciate that himself.

The fact is that there is a huge grey area in the NHL regarding what's a penalty and what's not when it comes to some of the rough stuff.
Finally someone who gets it. The ref said in a rather more blunt and upfront way that if a Rangers player did that to someone and they called it Torts would probably be furious. The same can be said for most calls in a game. I remember once I was on the line for a semi-pro game and a player got hit in the face with the puck (with blood) the ref called a high sticking penalty but I told him it clearly wasn't so he reversed the call, the players were furious with me and saying "just call offside and icing lino" then they shut up when I told them "what if it was your player getting the penalty and I hadn't said anything, you'd be pretty mad at me wouldn't you?"

With this particular incident the punch was behind the play, and it's the playoffs. Sometimes it's better to just shout at the players than to stop the game and call a penalty for something trivial behind the play. It's called game management. A concept most fans can't seem to grasp, as they don't realise the rules of hockey are actually specifically written to allow referees as much discretion as possible.

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05-21-2013, 11:26 AM
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Sounding like another person who doesn't know how to read peoples' posts and just jumps to conclusions.

How many times must we say we aren't blaming the refs for the outcome of the game? If we got a PP we would've lost anyway, I'm sure of it.

The issue with what the ref said is that it challenges the integrity of the game and shows flaws in the officiating. That is horse ****.
Sorry, that's how I was raised to play sports. I was told winners worry about winning and what they can control, losers make excuses and whine. That's been drilled into my head. The integrity of the game and flaws in the officiating is nonsense tbh. Missed/bad calls happen constantly. To every team. It's the nature of the sport. Bad calls happen all over. They tend to balance out over a series. The better team moves on. Right now we are not the better team.

People are blowing this BS out of proportion. **** gets said on the ice constantly and we don't hear almost any of it. For all you know they said the same crap to the Bs bench. The better team won. Move on and prep for game three

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05-21-2013, 11:28 AM
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Finally someone who gets it. The ref said in a rather more blunt and upfront way that if a Rangers player did that to someone and they called it Torts would probably be furious. The same can be said for most calls in a game. I remember once I was on the line for a semi-pro game and a player got hit in the face with the puck (with blood) the ref called a high sticking penalty but I told him it clearly wasn't so he reversed the call, the players were furious with me and saying "just call offside and icing lino" then they shut up when I told them "what if it was your player getting the penalty and I hadn't said anything, you'd be pretty mad at me wouldn't you?"

With this particular incident the punch was behind the play, and it's the playoffs. Sometimes it's better to just shout at the players than to stop the game and call a penalty for something trivial behind the play. It's called game management. A concept most fans can't seem to grasp, as they don't realise the rules of hockey are actually specifically written to allow referees as much discretion as possible.
I guess you can punch someone in the head as long as it's behind the play.They were about 10 feet from O'hallaran. How about an elbow to the head. Just shout out to the player, You better stop that. Furthermore, O'hallaran didn't say anything to the players, he said it to Torts. Their are times when they call a silly hook behind the play. That's the point. their is no consistency. One game call everything One period call everything One game call nothing. One period call nothing.

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Sorry, that's how I was raised to play sports. I was told winners worry about winning and what they can control, losers make excuses and whine. That's been drilled into my head. The integrity of the game and flaws in the officiating is nonsense tbh. Missed/bad calls happen constantly. To every team. It's the nature of the sport. Bad calls happen all over. They tend to balance out over a series. The better team moves on. Right now we are not the better team.

People are blowing this BS out of proportion. **** gets said on the ice constantly and we don't hear almost any of it. For all you know they said the same crap to the Bs bench. The better team won. Move on and prep for game three
Who the hell here is making excuses? It wasn't a "missed" call. He chose not to blow the whistle and make the call because "that's the way Torts likes the game played". That is horse ****. That's not a missed call. That is a ref operating with bias. I don't care if it's a Ranger game or not, you can't have referees running NHL playoff games where they have other things in the back of their mind when it comes to making a call or not. If it's a penalty in the rule book, it's a ****ing penalty.

Missing a call is one thing, but not making one because of a bias is ****ed up. The rule book is the #1 tool for making calls, not how a referee feels.

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It's called game management guys, it's also the playoffs

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Agree. The only problem is they let a lot of the roughing penalties go but never miss a tap on the hands for a hooking minor

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Who the hell here is making excuses? It wasn't a "missed" call. He chose not to blow the whistle and make the call because "that's the way Torts likes the game played". That is horse ****. That's not a missed call. That is a ref operating with bias. I don't care if it's a Ranger game or not, you can't have referees running NHL playoff games where they have other things in the back of their mind when it comes to making a call or not. If it's a penalty in the rule book, it's a ****ing penalty.

Missing a call is one thing, but not making one because of a bias is ****ed up. The rule book is the #1 tool for making calls, not how a referee feels.
If they're letting em play, I'm good with it. Hopefully Callahan survived that vicious hit and makes it to game three without a wheel chair.

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Honestly, I think everyone is reading into the comment too much. I think it's more likely the ref thought it was appropriate to not make a call on the play just to "let the players play" and then when Torts started yelling at him he was trying to explain to Torts that even though it could be called there's something to be said for letting the players play and Torts should appreciate that himself.

The fact is that there is a huge grey area in the NHL regarding what's a penalty and what's not when it comes to some of the rough stuff.
Did anyone else notice McGuire's reaction to the punch when NBC went to the wide angle? McGuire is considered a "Ranger lover" by all outside of NY, presumbaly because of his friendship with Torts.
"Kreider's a star", "McDonough's the best defensemen in the game", it does get tiresome even as a Ranger fan.

I thought that was all baseless sour grapes until I saw McGuire throw his arm up to signify a penalty and start yapping at the ref. He seriously reacted like you or I would in the Blue seats while enjopying a cold one

One of the most amazing things I have ever seen or heard from a "national" broadcaster.

Did anyone else see it? If you have a feed or tape of the game watch it.

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This thread is nonsense..... It was a scrum after the whiste and your player got plunked after he came back for more.

By your definition.... Rick Nash should of been called for his 2 handed slash on the pallie breakaway????

Remember refs can hear what players are talking about and if you have to cry about losing because you didn't get a power play off a scrum is just ridiculous.

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Did anyone else notice McGuire's reaction to the punch when NBC went to the wide angle? McGuire is considered a "Ranger lover" by all outside of NY, presumbaly because of his friendship with Torts.
"Kreider's a star", "McDonough's the best defensemen in the game", it does get tiresome even as a Ranger fan.

I thought that was all baseless sour grapes until I saw McGuire throw his arm up to signify a penalty and start yapping at the ref. He seriously reacted like you or I would in the Blue seats while enjopying a cold one

One of the most amazing things I have ever seen or heard from a "national" broadcaster.

Did anyone else see it? If you have a feed or tape of the game watch it.
I guess you didn't hear anything positive about Boston from McGuire. A ranger lover? Anything can be further from the truth. That's laughable.

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Pierre's an NBC employee. Does the league even have the power to "silence" him?

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I guess you can punch someone in the head as long as it's behind the play.They were about 10 feet from O'hallaran. How about an elbow to the head. Just shout out to the player, You better stop that. Furthermore, O'hallaran didn't say anything to the players, he said it to Torts. Their are times when they call a silly hook behind the play. That's the point. their is no consistency. One game call everything One period call everything One game call nothing. One period call nothing.
You're comparing a harmless punch with a glove on to an elbow to the head? Honestly mate give it a rest, take off the rose tints and get over it.

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Fatcessa is interviewing Pierre McGuire on da show today. He said that he's going to talk to McGuire about the tiff between torts and himself. (Torts Friend?) Francesa said he thinks there is more of a problem between Torts and Milbury. Should be interesting to hear from McGuire

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You're comparing a harmless punch with a glove on to an elbow to the head? Honestly mate give it a rest, take off the rose tints and get over it.
Jus t responding to you thinking that anything behind the play is ok MATE

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This happens all the time. The only difference this time is that we saw what the ref said on tape. Should he/could he have made the call? Absolutely, but he chose not to -- have you ever seen a game where every penalty was called?

The Rangers played a good period, but they need to put the puck in the net and keep it out of theirs. Nothing else matters.

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Sounding like the Caps board in here. Refs did not decide that game. The players did. The better team won.
You should post this again. The first five may get lost.

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