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05-21-2013, 10:47 AM
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I don't know about that. We have 2 goals in the last two and I think that is a very serious problem, moreso than putting other guys on the PK. Speaking of which, in a big game like next game, may as well put top 9 guys out there anyway.
Let me get this straight

The Hawks offense has been MIA and your desire/plan is to punish the two fourth liners who have done there job (Energy + Strong PK) for it?

The Hawks PK hasn't allowed a goal all playoff and Kruger/Frolik have had major role in that

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Let me get this straight

The Hawks offense has been MIA and your desire/plan is to punish the two fourth liners who have done there job (Energy + Strong PK) for it?

The Hawks PK hasn't allowed a goal all playoff and Kruger/Frolik have had major role in that
I'll put it as straight to you as I can. I don't want that lineup playing in game 4, period.

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05-21-2013, 10:54 AM
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I'll put it as straight to you as I can. I don't want that lineup playing in game 4, period.
That's fine but don't change them out, you can bench Handsuz for being ineffective the last few games, Shaw for his stupid penalties, etc, but don't bench guys who are being effective at what their supposed to be doing.

The top 6 is the people responsible for scoring, so when I see, Bickell 3 goals, Kruger 2 goals, Oduya 2 goals, Frolik 2 goals, Kane 2 goals, Toews 0 goals, Saad 0 goals. I have a hard time blaming them.

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Yeah, I am fine with benching Zues and Shaw. I'm pretty sick of Shaw anyway. I just think you're more likely to see Kruger/Frolik benched but no issue here at all with benching Shaw indefinitely.

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05-21-2013, 11:13 AM
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Our lines need to generate more QUALITY chances. I would like see these lines:

10-19-81
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25-36-29
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05-21-2013, 11:29 AM
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Yeah, I am fine with benching Zues and Shaw. I'm pretty sick of Shaw anyway. I just think you're more likely to see Kruger/Frolik benched but no issue here at all with benching Shaw indefinitely.
You have to insane to think Kruger or Frolik are being benched.

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05-21-2013, 11:32 AM
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anyone know if they're practicing today?...or is q giving them the day off?

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05-21-2013, 11:34 AM
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You have to insane to think Kruger or Frolik are being benched.
Some of the shrimps need to go. Zues has been a slug, he's obvious. Take your choice of Shaw, Kruger or Fro. I prefer it be Shaw but at the end of the day, given the choice between Smith/Morin or Kruger/Fro for game 4, tell Kruger and Fro to GTFO because that lineup from last game is too frail, weak and underskilled, particularly around the net, at least against this Red Wings team the way they are playing right now. Time for change.

**Again, I know people can be really ****ing stupid around here, it's about getting Smith/Morin in and adding what we are lacking, nothing else, nothing to do with Frolik/Kruger/Shaw/Handzus other than the fact that they do not provide it and someone would have to go.

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05-21-2013, 11:41 AM
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Some of the shrimps need to go. Zues has been a slug, he's obvious. Take your choice of Shaw, Kruger or Fro. I prefer it be Shaw but at the end of the day, given the choice between Smith/Morin or Kruger/Fro for game 4, tell Kruger and Fro to GTFO because that lineup from last game is too frail, weak and underskilled, particularly around the net, at least against this Red Wings team the way they are playing right now. Time for change.

**Again, I know people can be really ****ing stupid around here, it's about getting Smith/Morin in and adding what we are lacking, nothing else, nothing to do with Frolik/Kruger/Shaw/Handzus other than the fact that they do not provide it and someone would have to go.
Step away from the cliff. Hawks have set the pace 6 out of 9 total periods played. They worked Det 2 out of 3 games. It comes down to 4 post and a blown goal call why CHI is down in the series. Leave the lineup alone.

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05-21-2013, 11:46 AM
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Step away from the cliff. Hawks have set the pace 6 out of 9 total periods played. They worked Det 2 out of 3 games. It comes down to 4 post and a blown goal call why CHI is down in the series. Leave the lineup alone.
Detroit hit posts too. Comes down to the PP for me. I want guys like Smith and Morin on it and near the net.

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05-21-2013, 11:48 AM
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Detroit hit posts too. Comes down to the PP for me. I want guys like Smith and Morin on it and near the net.
Doesn't matter who is in front of the net, we don't shoot on the power play and when we do, it gets blocked.

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05-21-2013, 12:01 PM
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anyone know if they're practicing today?...or is q giving them the day off?
They said on the radio this morning that they're meeting, but not practicing today.

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Roszival was not even in the same game last night.

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05-21-2013, 12:16 PM
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This isn't a shot at you, but the fact that this is where we are at with the PP is disturbing. That we are happy when it doesn't suck, it's like being a parent and being happy when your kid grounds out instead of striking out. Yeah your still out but at least you made contact.

Sure the Hawks didn't score on the PP, but we didn't give up a shorty and even hit the net a couple of times. YES!
lol, I thought the movement away from the puck was better than what I've been seeing before. Yes, my bar has been lowered for 3 years now. I'm content with it being in the "NOT SUCK" category. Every team has weaknesses and this has been one of Chicago's for years so I'm not going to expect them to execute at an above average clip.

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Pavel Datsyuk may not be naturally gifted, but he works hard, says Glenn Healy



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Let me get this straight

The Hawks offense has been MIA and your desire/plan is to punish the two fourth liners who have done there job (Energy + Strong PK) for it?

The Hawks PK hasn't allowed a goal all playoff and Kruger/Frolik have had major role in that
My gawd, you make it sound like we have a Sanderson/Westfall tandem going there. Toews and Hossa are better at the PK and Kruger loses every big draw. That's not getting the job done. I agree we shouldn't take them both out, Frolik is passable but Kruger should be sitting. It's going to get worse if by chance we advance. And I repeat, Wings 4th line scored the all important 3rd goal last night. Wings are playing the team game far better than we are and the bottom 6 are the biggest difference.

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05-21-2013, 01:04 PM
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Pavel Datsyuk may not be naturally gifted, but he works hard, says Glenn Healy



http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl...162930954.html

Yeah, I caught that. To give him the benefit of the doubt, I think Glenn meant that Datsyk played way bigger than he is physically, due to his relentlessness.

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My gawd, you make it sound like we have a Sanderson/Westfall tandem going there. Toews and Hossa are better at the PK and Kruger loses every big draw. That's not getting the job done. I agree we shouldn't take them both out, Frolik is passable but Kruger should be sitting. It's going to get worse if by chance we advance. And I repeat, Wings 4th line scored the all important 3rd goal last night. Wings are playing the team game far better than we are and the bottom 6 are the biggest difference.
And again, Datsyuk scored the 3rd goal.

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My gawd, you make it sound like we have a Sanderson/Westfall tandem going there. Toews and Hossa are better at the PK and Kruger loses every big draw. That's not getting the job done. I agree we shouldn't take them both out, Frolik is passable but Kruger should be sitting. It's going to get worse if by chance we advance. And I repeat, Wings 4th line scored the all important 3rd goal last night. Wings are playing the team game far better than we are and the bottom 6 are the biggest difference.
The biggest difference is getting one goal out of your top line this series. The 4th line is not why this team is down 2-1. Although I do agree that the 4th line will get manhandled if they advance and play LA.

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And again, Datsyuk scored the 3rd goal.
Yep ... 2nd goal was scored by the 4th line but you get my point.

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05-21-2013, 01:32 PM
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I read a few of the replies, but had to stop due to time constraints. I was at the game last night. Some observations.

The Joe was very loud...loudest I've ever heard it there. Usually, there are a great number of Hawks fans in their jerseys at the game, but not last night. Very few overall. Was most surprising to me. I got mildly harassed for the first time ever there wearing my jersey, multiple times. Also, the PA announcer said that a delay of game penalty would be assessed to Detroit if another octopus was thrown onto the ice after about the fourth one was tossed late in the third. A few minutes later another one lands, and nothing was called (with about 2 minutes left in the game). Got to follow through with the threat, otherwise it's hollow.

The play is incredibly tight, with little room to move on the ice, and every puck (possessed or not) is contested with aggression, particularly by the Wings. Still, the Hawks controlled the game for all but a minute or two in the second period, and lost the game because of it.

For all that is said about Crawford, he's not to blame for our current predicament. He played well enough to win. Two goals were not his fault, and the second goal is a push either way. We're just not scoring, partly because of circumstances (reffing, bad schedule giving Detroit extra days off--we need a back-to-back game here), and partly because some of our guys are not stepping up.

Kane's body language had the look of a defeated goal scorer every time he missed a shot or was taken out rushing the puck. He had a look that says "I can't put the puck in the net". Not sure if his goal is enough to pull him out of it, but it's a start.

Detroit is way more physical than the Hawks. They made it a goal to hit, hit, hit in the first period, and finish every check. The Hawks go out of their way to never finish a check. There were so mnay times I felt like yelling "Just hit the MFer" behind the net, along the boards, anywhere. I'm not sure how we got credited for so many hits, but it's obvious that the Wings beat us up. The Hawks were taken out of their game early in this one. This, and below, are obviously part of Babcock's game plan to take the game away from the Hawks.

Detroit is both sneaky dirty and overtly dirty (and I've only seen them play this way to this extent against the Hawks). They poke/prod/hit/chirp/punch etc... behind the play as well as continually in front of the net in the open. The lack of calls against them is almost criminal, and I kept on thinking back to the NBA (where the refs decide who wins) or to the Hawks-Flyers, when Pronger had his way the first 4 games, and then the refs finally started calling all of his crap. If the refs called it all, the Wings would have 10 penalties per game, easy. Right now it feels like the edict has come down from on high that this is to be a seven game series.

Because of the above, Detroit owns the crease. That statement stands alone as fact.

It's equally obvious that Babcock has decreed open season on Toews, and every Wing player tries to work him over. Still, Toews is invisible offensively, and I don't think we'll win this series without him doing more (scoring a few goals or more). Part of the problem is that we have no other threatening centers on the squad, so they are able to direct all of their energy at shutting him down.

Marcus Kruger is a pathetic offensive player. (Shut up Bubba.) He's weak on hsi skates, and often falls to the ice for no apparent reason. He doesn't pass well. There was one play in the second period when he entered the zone in a 2 on 1, and he coughed up the puck inside the blue line. Handed it off to a Wings player. If he couldn't kill penalties, he wouldn't/shouldn't be on the team. Can't wait to see what the other organizational centers can do next year.

I couldn't see the non goal too well. Until I see a replay, I have no comment.

Hjarlmarsson's hit on Franzen looked good, and it looked like Franzen turned his back into the hit. Still, I have to see a replay.

I got home at about 1:15am, and got up at 4:30am to go play some hockey before heading to work. I had to get the bad taste of a loss out of my mouth.

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I'll play "Who Should Be Benched?"


Handzus & Bolland. Neither adds anything to the current lineup.

It comes down to all of the others having value...


Kruger & Frolik - as others have said, they're great on the PK and other than that are playing 4th line minutes. They're more than doing their job/playing their role.

Shaw - why anyone would want him benched is beyond me. Great motor and one of the only Hawks that's throwing his body around out there. He had 2-3 hellacious hits last night - the ONLY Hawk to do so. He needs to keep his composure after the whistle and hopefully has been pulled aside to express this. To take his energy and hitting out of the lineup makes no sense to me. Doesn't bother me at all to see him out there being an irritant - again, just needs to do it in an intelligent manner, which he will hopefully learn as he matures. Every team needs a rat and Shaw is better at it than Bolland at this point.

Stalberg - whether he finishes or not, he stretches the ice and makes their defense play back some. Gotta keep him in.

Bickel - not adding a ton in this series, but at least he looked pissed off last night. Put the third line back together and maybe Bicks can get going.


Brings us back to Bolland & especially Handzus - who is WAY too slow to play hockey at this level any more. Nice pickup Stan, btw.


I'd be okay to bring in Morin, Smith or Hayes.

Also - Rosi. He can sit.

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And as I've said before. There are a lot of idiots on this board.

We have 2 goals in the last two games, yet the goalie is the issue.


Crawford is WAY down the list. He's played well enough under a considerable amount more pressure than Howard.
ya "Gurth", Crawfish has had SO MUCH pressure on hime being that the Hawks defense pratically goaltends in front of him with all the blocked shots they take and winning practically every game this season.

SO MUCH pressure going against the Wild who barely even made it into the playoffs, and yet people still believe cCrawfish;s stellar play was a factor, gimmee a break.


are you guys new to hockey??

Howard has BIG skates to fill in Detroit, where it is HockeyTown, large legacy of cup winners.
Howard was schooled twice this year, once by the Blackhawks, once by Kane.

Howard has the pressure on him.

Crawfish has the pressure of finding his stick everygame i guess since he seems to lose it all time.

"Gurth", makes me wonder if you even know who Big Al is.

I still believe the Hawks dont have the confidence playing in front of Crawfish, i.e. all the blocked shots all the time.
No confidence in the Crawfish, makes for bad hockey.





I say all the pressure is on Howard, not the crawfish.

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ya "Gurth", Crawfish has had SO MUCH pressure on hime being that the Hawks defense pratically goaltends in front of him with all the blocked shots they take and winning practically every game this season.

SO MUCH pressure going against the Wild who barely even made it into the playoffs, and yet people still believe cCrawfish;s stellar play was a factor, gimmee a break.


are you guys new to hockey??

Howard has BIG skates to fill in Detroit, where it is HockeyTown, large legacy of cup winners.
Howard was schooled twice this year, once by the Blackhawks, once by Kane.

Howard has the pressure on him.

Crawfish has the pressure of finding his stick everygame i guess since he seems to lose it all time.

"Gurth", makes me wonder if you even know who Big Al is.

I still believe the Hawks dont have the confidence playing in front of Crawfish, i.e. all the blocked shots all the time.
No confidence in the Crawfish, makes for bad hockey.





I say all the pressure is on Howard, not the crawfish.


And as I've said before...

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Yep ... 2nd goal was scored by the 4th line but you get my point.
That is funny because we won that draw and Rosey couldn't do a simple clear.

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