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View Poll Results: Draft goes Jones/Mackinnon/Drouin/Barkov/Nichushkin/Nurse. Who should they take?
Monahan 138 73.02%
Lindholm 51 26.98%
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05-21-2013, 11:43 AM
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Colorado has Duchene, Ryan O'Rielly, and Paul Stastny as their centers. No way, no how they are taking MacKinnon. Suggesting that they will is silly talk.
playing any of them on the wing for a year or Mackinnon in the minors makes things very simple.

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playing any of them on the wing for a year or Mackinnon in the minors makes things very simple.
True, but like has been said - kid grew up an Avs fan, has ties with the org through his dad, Avs have strength down the middle already and could use a top Dman, and he is after all ranked #1.

Personally I believe Mackinnon will have a greater impact in the NHL, but I can't imagine any way the Avs pass up on Jones. I'd be willing to bet on that.

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05-21-2013, 11:55 AM
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playing any of them on the wing for a year or Mackinnon in the minors makes things very simple.
Have you seen the Avs d core?

That doesnt even take into account that Jones is from the area and would be a marketing gold mine. Or that he is actually the bpa.

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05-21-2013, 12:00 PM
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Anyway, all I hope for is that either Barkov or Monahan are Oilers after the draft. However, if they aren't, are they any other big 2C's with two-way capability. Kujawinski is one that comes to mind and wouldn't mind taking him with our first 2nd rounder maybe then Comrie or Jarry and/if we can land another 2nd round pick: Dillon Hearingthon or Madison Bowey or Sam Morin

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05-21-2013, 12:03 PM
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Gauthier.

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The reason why it didn't sit well with me is that his co-host on the draft centre podcast said that Jason was a "likely first rounder" and Button went off on him. He said that it wasn't just an understatement but it was on of the biggest understatement a ever. Button is allowed to have his own opinion but shouldn't be criticizing people for having their own.
agreed i think some of it is hamming up for TV, if he was sitting in a room with other scouts in a teams war room i doubt he comes off as brash and hostile.

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05-21-2013, 12:17 PM
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Okay, the more I think about it if Barkov and Monahan are gone. Trade down to get another 1st to get:
1st round picks: pick 1- Lazar/Nurse
pick 2 -Gauthier/Fucale
2nd round picks: 1st pick: Kujawinski/McCoshen
2nd pick: Comrie/Jarry or Martin
5th round: Cole Cassel
Last round use them on PWF's or big mobile D.

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Okay, the more I think about it if Barkov and Monahan are gone. Trade down to get another 1st to get:
1st round picks: pick 1- Lazar/Nurse
pick 2 -Gauthier/Fucale
2nd round picks: 1st pick: Kujawinski/McCoshen
2nd pick: Comrie/Jarry or Martin
5th round: Cole Cassel
Last round use them on PWF's or big mobile D.
I don't see another team giving up a first round pick to move up maybe 4-5 spots. Also, I think it's a waste to take Fucale. He just doesn't impress me.

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05-21-2013, 12:55 PM
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At this point if we get one of Monahan/Lazar/Horvat or even Gauthier I'll be happy

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Colorado has Duchene, Ryan O'Rielly, and Paul Stastny as their centers. No way, no how they are taking MacKinnon. Suggesting that they will is silly talk.
O'Reilly is probably gone isn't he after his contract? I assume they're going to try a way to trade him when they're allowed to and not let themselves get subjected to that arbitration.

Stastny's contract is also up after the end of this year and he's a UFA. Not out of the realm of possibility, Duchene is the only one set there for the foreseeable future.

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05-21-2013, 01:37 PM
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O'Reilly is probably gone isn't he after his contract? I assume they're going to try a way to trade him when they're allowed to and not let themselves get subjected to that arbitration.

Stastny's contract is also up after the end of this year and he's a UFA. Not out of the realm of possibility, Duchene is the only one set there for the foreseeable future.
Have you looked at their d?

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Colorado will take Jones, its all but guaranteed. If they take anyone above him it'll be Drouin not Mackinnon.

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Have you looked at their d?
This. I don't think any team with young forwards including ROR, Duchene, Landeskog and Stastny, and a defense core that is highlighted by...Barrie I guess, would pass on Seth Jones in favor of another forward.

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In case nobody caught that, Stauffer was musing that theres a team a couple spots higher in the draft that the Oilers have a trading history with that he sees can make sense if the Oilers trade up.

Spoil:
Carolina... duh.

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In case nobody caught that, Stauffer was musing that theres a team a couple spots higher in the draft that the Oilers have a trading history with that he sees can make sense if the Oilers trade up.

Spoil:
Carolina... duh.
He also said the Oilers were going to take Sequin for months until a deathbed conversion and that the Kremlin was going to bankroll a contract from a KHL team for Yakupov.

Why anyone listens to anything he has to say is beyond me.

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Forwards are so bankable at no.1 it's actually amazing that teams even consider taking defensemen.

You are just as likely to get Chris Pronger as Cam Barker with a top 3 pick. It's pretty rare to land Niedermayer or Pronger - and both of them also took about 5 years to turn into true no.1 defensemen.

If Nathan MacKinnon is a player along the lines of Joe Sakic or Jonathan Toews, he should go no.1. It's safer and smarter. Way better risk management than taking Jones. I for one won't be shocked if the Avs take him and move Stastny and/or O'Reilly over the course of the next two seasons (targetting top 4 D in return).

I think the draft order is going:

Colorado - MacKinnon
Florida - Jones
Tampa Bay - Druoin
Nashville - Barkov
Carolina - Lindholm
Calgary - Monahan

Too bad for the Oilers, who will be left to decide on Nurse, Horvat, trading the pick.
This could very well be the case, but if any one of those teams takes a chance on Nichushkin (and carolina has no reason to draft a centre) then we would most likely has a shot at either Monahan or Lindholm. With Nichushkin reportedly excited to come to north america for the combine I wouldn't be surprised if we was picked before 7th.

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He also said the Oilers were going to take Sequin for months until a deathbed conversion and that the Kremlin was going to bankroll a contract from a KHL team for Yakupov.

Why anyone listens to anything he has to say is beyond me.
It's the more cryptic things you have to listen to.

Starved for Oilers news, I'll keep listening if he keep the Monahan hope alive.

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I hope they do. Monahan solves so many needs for us.

Trade them Hemsky (at half salary) and the 7th and guarantee yourself Monahan. CAR gets a piece to help them contend (and a prospect that stocks the cupboards for the future).

We get rid of a redundant piece and guarantee us the player we want (If Monahan is who Oil want)
I think that is a bit of an overpay.

Would they do

#7, Hemsky

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#5 and #35

Monahan and Jarry for Nurse and Hemsky?

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He also said the Oilers were going to take Sequin for months until a deathbed conversion and that the Kremlin was going to bankroll a contract from a KHL team for Yakupov.

Why anyone listens to anything he has to say is beyond me.
Actually, Stauffer was the only media guy saying the Oilers would take Hall after the Memorial cup, every other media guy in the city was pumping the "big, right handed center" stuff. His flip coincided with Stu Mcgregor changing his mind after being a Seguin fan for most of the year.

The Yakupov stuff, who knows. It wouldn't have surprised me if there were serious internal discussions about passing on Yak to draft for need.

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Actually, Stauffer was the only media guy saying the Oilers would take Hall after the Memorial cup, every other media guy in the city was pumping the "big, right handed center" stuff. His flip coincided with Stu Mcgregor changing his mind after being a Seguin fan for most of the year.

The Yakupov stuff, who knows. It wouldn't have surprised me if there were serious internal discussions about passing on Yak to draft for need.
Gee, what a surprise.

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Have you looked at their d?
Yeah, it sucks. But I'm just saying there's not a 0% chance, if I were in the Avs position I would consider it. I always have an aversion to C's all things being equal. Not saying I wouldn't take Jones but you have to explore other options, he's a great player and a great story being from there and such but he's not runaway IMO.

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I think that is a bit of an overpay.

Would they do

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#5 and #35

Monahan and Jarry for Nurse and Hemsky?
Easily. With 3 seconds they could try hard to flip with Nash to take Barkov, or pick Monahan at 5 then any of a number of prospects at 35 and 37. I wouldn't look to the goalie till Anaheim's pick, either Jarry or Comrie.

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I think that is a bit of an overpay.

Would they do

#7, Hemsky

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#5 and #35

Monahan and Jarry for Nurse and Hemsky?
I would not do this trade.

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Hemsky on his own wouldnt get you #35, never mind #35 and bump #7 up to #5.

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I would not do this trade.
Are you a Hurricanes fan?

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