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05-21-2013, 11:28 AM
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Oilers forwards vs Avalanche forwards

I keep hearing nick kyperos saying that "the avs forwards aren't like the oilers where they can afford to draft for position need because their forwards are so good" for his reasoning to take mackinnon instead of jones.

Oilers obviously have a great forward crop but I don't think the avs are any slouch and are comparable to the oilers hence the need for jones.

Mackinnon vs jones is very debatable.

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Avs are pretty stacked down the middle in particular so I disagree with what Kypreos is saying. Unless you're going to draft Drouin #1, which I just don't see happening.

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Edmonton still can't afford to draft by positional need at 7th overall, although it wouldn't be nearly as bad as drafting for need at 1st overall.

I'm not sure how Kypreos thinks his argument makes sense. Jones is the BPA. It's not like the Avs are passing on MacKinnon to take Jones.

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05-21-2013, 11:49 AM
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I don't like to compare the forwards of the two teams. The groups are so different. Avs have a pretty good mix of forwards imo and there are some very interesting forwards who're waiting in the AHL. The D however needs a lot of improvement.
Also, why do you have to have an elite group of forwards before you can have a good defense? Kypreos isn't making sense imo.

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Jones is the BPA anyways...

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Kyperos is an ignoramus.

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05-21-2013, 01:57 PM
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Your first mistake was listening to Sportsnet analysts. Your second was not search the forum for the multiple threads on this subject.

Oilers don't have a second line left wing (they won't when Yakupov takes Hemsky's spot). 2nd line centre is also questionable with Gagner.

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Kypreos assumes Avs will trade O'Reilly in this argument, which is wild speculation at this stage. Avs will have a new president, de-facto GM and coach. If there were any bad feelings between the organization and player, it's a new situation now.

Of course if you don't count a 22 year old second line center, a forward group isn't as deep as if you count him.

That said, any team would love to add a player like MacKinnon. He's going to be a phenomenal player.

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The difference is Edmonton has 4 potentially ELITE players (Hall, RNH, Yakupov, Eberle), while Colorado has some very nice players and a more balanced group I would say only 2 have "elite" potential (Duchene, Landeskog)

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The difference is Edmonton has 4 potentially ELITE players (Hall, RNH, Yakupov, Eberle), while Colorado has some very nice players and a more balanced group I would say only 2 have "elite" potential (Duchene, Landeskog)
I agree but do you need 4 potentially elite forwards before you can draft a potentially elite defenseman? I doubt it.
Also, a lot of stuff can happen until Jones will become the player everybody is hoping he will be some day. It's not as if he can play the #1 role in the NHL next season.

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Jones is the BPA. It wouldn't be solely by need if we drafted him.

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It doesn't matter who Colorado picks, it will fill a need regardless. Just take the BPA.

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It doesn't matter who Colorado picks, it will fill a need regardless. Just take the BPA.
Are you seriously saying that drafting someone to be a second line center (at least in short term) fills a need?

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05-21-2013, 05:34 PM
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Are you seriously saying that drafting someone to be a second line center (at least in short term) fills a need?
I remember when Seguin was drafted as a center.

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I remember when Seguin was drafted as a center.
It doesn't mean you fill a need. It means you create a problem that you hopefully can solve.

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Are you seriously saying that drafting someone to be a second line center (at least in short term) fills a need?
Are we seriously having this thread again?

Seriously, its came up every off-season for the past 3 years.

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No way they pass up on Jones, Colorado kid that fills their biggest need. No brainer

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Oilers have more elite players, but Colorado has very nice forwards 1-9. You don't need 4 elite forwards (few teams do). Jones is both the BPA and fills the biggest need.

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The difference is Edmonton has 4 potentially ELITE players (Hall, RNH, Yakupov, Eberle), while Colorado has some very nice players and a more balanced group I would say only 2 have "elite" potential (Duchene, Landeskog)
Key word there is potential.

Duchene is proven and will grow more.
ROR is proven and will grow more.
Stastny is proven, though has been more on the decline.
Landeskog more potential than proven at this point.

And you wanna know the best part about this? None of them were 1st overall.

With that said I agree with you.

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The difference is Edmonton has 4 potentially ELITE players (Hall, RNH, Yakupov, Eberle), while Colorado has some very nice players and a more balanced group I would say only 2 have "elite" potential (Duchene, Landeskog)
I wouldn't call of any those players elite at this point.

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Edmonton still can't afford to draft by positional need at 7th overall, although it wouldn't be nearly as bad as drafting for need at 1st overall.

I'm not sure how Kypreos thinks his argument makes sense. Jones is the BPA. It's not like the Avs are passing on MacKinnon to take Jones.
Exactly.


As for whos forwards are better... It seems kinda apples and oranges to me. Avs for sure have better depth up the middle as well as a little more toughness/grit, but I'd take our high end 1st overalls over their top 3 guys based on (IMO) greater overall potential. Yes potential is the key word there.

Unfortunately for us Avs will likely be getting a top end stud D-man before the oil do now that they had a chance to win the lottery.

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I wouldn't call of any those players elite at this point.
which is why the word "potentially" was put in front of it.

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The difference is Edmonton has 4 potentially ELITE players (Hall, RNH, Yakupov, Eberle), while Colorado has some very nice players and a more balanced group I would say only 2 have "elite" potential (Duchene, Landeskog)
Agreed.

Still praying we take MacKinnon or Drouin.

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Jones is the BPA anyways...
Maybe not "best" player, but player that would be more crucial to the franchise's success down the road, for sure.

I wouldn't say Shea Weber is a "better" player than say Claude Giroux. But given the choice I'd take Weber to start my team every time.

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Agreed.

Still praying we take MacKinnon or Drouin.
Passing on a talent like Jones makes no sense if you're the Avs' GM.

1. Avs need defense
2. Avs have some depth/ talent at C position already
3. Jones is BPA

But, if you want to allow Seth Jones to "fall" to Florida, then by all means go right ahead! We need either a potential 1C or 1D. Jones or MacK will go a long way here.

IMO, Jones to Colorado and MacKinnon to Florida is the best case scenario for both markets.

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