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05-21-2013, 06:56 PM
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Plan for 2014-2015

I just took a quick glance at the crop of UFAs in 2014-2015 and it will easily rival the 2009 Free Agency which really set the tone for several franchises.

I know everyone is pressing the panic button here but I really hope Bergevin stays pat and adds a few solid vets on one year deals.

If we play our cards right (and trade DD ) we will have well over 30 Million in cap space.

Who is slated to be a UFA?

Malkin
Gaborik
Vanek
Thornton
Marleau
Dats
Bouwmeester
Boyle
Stastny
Phaneuf (ew)
Both Sedins
Kessel
Pominville
Patrice Bergeron
Michalek
Brooks Orpik
Chris Kunitz
Hjalmarsson
Letang
Dave Bolland
Seidenberg
Dustin Brown

And the list goes on.

This is a shocking number of "franchise changers" and players that on these forums go for a kings ransom.

It isnt out of the question that we can get one, perhaps two and maybe even three.

Can you imagine a lineup of

Vanek - Pleks - Patches
Galch - Eller - Gally
Kristo/UFA - Bolland - Bourque
Prust - UFA - White

Subban - Orpik/Phaneuf/Bouwmeester/Hjalmarsson
Tinordi - Beaulieu
UFA/Diaz - Gorges

Price

That is a realistic option if we wait.

Again I know everyone wants to get bigger *hulk smash hulk smash* but I think if we play our cards right we are a cup contender in two years. With Eller, Galch, Gally, Subban, Tinordi, Beaulieu and Price we have one of the strongest cores in the league. Lets wait to overpay in a year where talent is in a surplus imo.

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A lot of those guys will re sign though

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A lot of those guys will re sign though
You never know and compared to previous years the volume of talent is far superior before any resigning begins

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I'll take

Malkin
Vanek
Thornton
Marleau
Brown

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I just took a quick glance at the crop of UFAs in 2014-2015 and it will easily rival the 2009 Free Agency which really set the tone for several franchises.

I know everyone is pressing the panic button here but I really hope Bergevin stays pat and adds a few solid vets on one year deals.

If we play our cards right (and trade DD ) we will have well over 30 Million in cap space.

Who is slated to be a UFA?

Malkin
Gaborik
Vanek
Thornton
Marleau
Dats
Bouwmeester
Boyle
Stastny
Phaneuf (ew)
Both Sedins
Kessel
Pominville
Patrice Bergeron
Michalek
Brooks Orpik
Chris Kunitz
Hjalmarsson
Letang
Dave Bolland
Seidenberg
Dustin Brown

And the list goes on.

This is a shocking number of "franchise changers" and players that on these forums go for a kings ransom.

It isnt out of the question that we can get one, perhaps two and maybe even three.

Can you imagine a lineup of

Vanek - Pleks - Patches
Galch - Eller - Gally
Kristo/UFA - Bolland - Bourque
Prust - UFA - White

Subban - Orpik/Phaneuf/Bouwmeester/Hjalmarsson
Tinordi - Beaulieu
UFA/Diaz - Gorges

Price

That is a realistic option if we wait.

Again I know everyone wants to get bigger *hulk smash hulk smash* but I think if we play our cards right we are a cup contender in two years. With Eller, Galch, Gally, Subban, Tinordi, Beaulieu and Price we have one of the strongest cores in the league. Lets wait to overpay in a year where talent is in a surplus imo.
These are guys that I can see getting extended this summer. By the start of next season I believe that list will not be as enticing as today. And even worse by next June.

One guy I do like that you don't have listed is Girardi with the Rangers.

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These are guys that I can see getting extended this summer. By the start of next season I believe that list will not be as enticing as today. And even worse by next June.

One guy I do like that you don't have listed is Girardi with the Rangers.
Yeah there are a lot of players I didn't list which is my point. Based on sheer volume it's going to be a good year. Before the start of this ufa crop (aside from crosby) there weren't that many big names available iirc.

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I'd love either Gaborik or Vanek. Gaborik is kind of realistic but does he want to come back to a big market.

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I stopped reading at Plekanec centering the first line. Pretty much another VERY INSIGHTFUL "let's bash DD cause he actually exists" post in disguise.

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I stopped reading at Plekanec centering the first line. Pretty much another VERY INSIGHTFUL "let's bash DD cause he actually exists" post in disguise.
Is desharnais supposed to center the first line?


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I'd pencil Hudon into the lineup.

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I stopped reading at Plekanec centering the first line. Pretty much another VERY INSIGHTFUL "let's bash DD cause he actually exists" post in disguise.

What does his post count matter? and what is wrong with Plekanec centering the first line? I love DD (search my post history why don't you) and I see nothing wrong with this. Plekanec is criminally undervalued.

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I stopped reading at Plekanec centering the first line. Pretty much another VERY INSIGHTFUL "let's bash DD cause he actually exists" post in disguise.
DD didn't center the first line this season, why would he going into the future? The Plekanec line was our de facto go to line this season.

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I'd pencil Hudon into the lineup.
That would be awesome, it wouldn't shock me in the least bit.

I just think we should get the surplus of this FA crop (big 3rd-4th liners) and maybe get a physical Dman and leave as much cap space as we can to capitalize on the better FA crop.

I, for one, wouldn't be upset if Bergy just tweaks the line up and makes his splash next year.

And for the person who thinks Plekanec doesn't belong on the first line and DD does is on something. DD is a complementary PP specialist who needs to be sheltered. Is that a bad thing? No. But his skill level and value is far, far below that of Eller and Pleks

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DD didn't center the first line this season, why would he going into the future? The Plekanec line was our de facto go to line this season.
Where exactly did I say such a thing?
Reading comprehension these days....

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What does his post count matter? and what is wrong with Plekanec centering the first line? I love DD (search my post history why don't you) and I see nothing wrong with this. Plekanec is criminally undervalued.
Plekanec is not a first line center, that's the problem.

No problem with him on the second or even the third line, but slotting him at first center for future pretty much screams "we will suck".

Oh, as the postcount... That kind of comments usually follows Bantam-material Sophistry.


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Plekanec is an ideal second line center. He plays against good scoring lines and outscores them. It would be nice to have an elite scoring center, but I'd be happy with Plekanec, Eller, Galchenyuk in a couple of years. If DD gets his act together, considering this year was the first time in six or seven years that he regressed (actually the first time he did not make huge progress during a season) and that he dominated all the lower leagues, he could be in the mix as well.

The habs should have a reasonable D and reasonable top 6 in the next year or two based on the number of prospects. They have a lot of small third and fourth liners with heart but they need a shutdown defensive type or two and a couple more big hitters.

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Point me where I said that.
Then, I'll bother answering.
Are you high or something?

Plekanec has been our first line centre since 09, unless Malkin signs on, chances are he's still going to be our first line centre - like it or not.

You're the only one who brought up DD to begin with.

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Are you high or something?

Plekanec has been our first line centre since 09, unless Malkin signs on, chances are he's still going to be our first line centre - like it or not.

You're the only one who brought up DD to begin with.
Look at OP.

Besides, we did SOOOOOO great since '09, isn't it?

I don't have a problem with Plekanec being in the lineup per se. However...

- He's not a 1st center.
- He doesn't play like a first center.
- He has some attributes that we try to get rid of (he's moderately soft at the very least)
- He was never, ever, ever, ever able to raise his play in the playoffs (I concur that he did pretty well this season, and that he's a very consistent player, which makes the whole "raising his play for the playoffs" a bit more difficult, cause he actually brings it almost every night... at least in the regular season).
- He probably has a better value than Desharnais around the league, cause he's actually a better player.
- Related to the point above; trading Galchenyuk isn't advisable, and trading Eller... well, I'd say yes for a great offer, but that's it.
- He makes 5M$. That pretty much his value, hence a very tradable contract.
- We'll eventually need cap space for very important signings.
- We have a few holes in the lineup. Depth (and by depth, I mean "lineup depth") at center isn't an urging concern, or even a concern at all, with this team. Pass retardedness on the wing (Hudon MIGHT help in that regards) and toughess on the Top-6 and on D are WAY more pressing concerns.


Plekanec might or might not be traded. I don't have a problem with the guy himself, and he's indeed a very good player. But at some point, the idea is to make the team better. When/if Galchenyuk/Eller will have established themselves as solid 1st line C/2nd line C, Plekanec will be ....totally disposable. 5M is too much for a 3rd Center.


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I just took a quick glance at the crop of UFAs in 2014-2015 and it will easily rival the 2009 Free Agency which really set the tone for several franchises.

I know everyone is pressing the panic button here but I really hope Bergevin stays pat and adds a few solid vets on one year deals.

If we play our cards right (and trade DD ) we will have well over 30 Million in cap space.

Who is slated to be a UFA?

Malkin
Gaborik
Vanek
Thornton
Marleau
Dats
Bouwmeester
Boyle
Stastny
Phaneuf (ew)
Both Sedins
Kessel
Pominville
Patrice Bergeron
Michalek
Brooks Orpik
Chris Kunitz
Hjalmarsson
Letang
Dave Bolland
Seidenberg
Dustin Brown

And the list goes on.

This is a shocking number of "franchise changers" and players that on these forums go for a kings ransom.

It isnt out of the question that we can get one, perhaps two and maybe even three.

Can you imagine a lineup of

Vanek - Pleks - Patches
Galch - Eller - Gally
Kristo/UFA - Bolland - Bourque
Prust - UFA - White

Subban - Orpik/Phaneuf/Bouwmeester/Hjalmarsson
Tinordi - Beaulieu
UFA/Diaz - Gorges

Price

That is a realistic option if we wait.

Again I know everyone wants to get bigger *hulk smash hulk smash* but I think if we play our cards right we are a cup contender in two years. With Eller, Galch, Gally, Subban, Tinordi, Beaulieu and Price we have one of the strongest cores in the league. Lets wait to overpay in a year where talent is in a surplus imo.
I'm also psyched about 2014/15. At the same time this list of UFAs become available, the Habs finish their contracts with Markov and Gionta. That's big money moving off the books completely, or close to it if we re-sign Markov to a reduced amount. We'll still have to ink a massive new contract for Subban, plus re-sign Emelin and Diaz, who are both worth keeping IMO, but that'll still leave plenty of room for two or three prime UFA signings.

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2012-2013 - Tomas Plekanec - 23rd among centers in scoring and 26th among icetime
2011-2012 - Tomas Plekanec - 29th among centers in scoring and 8th among icetime
2010-2011 - Tomas Plekanec - 23rd among centers in scoring and 10th among icetime
2009-2010 - Tomas Plekanec - 14th among centers in scoring and 17th among icetime

What I find interesting is that this year his minutes were lowered yet his effectiveness stayed the same which shows to me that the team has players to help shoulder the load (like in 09-10) in Eller and Galchenyuk. It also shows that Pleks can still produce in a type of environment where there is no "defined" first line center but 2 very strong offensive and defensive lines and a 3rd line which is put in a scoring situation to take advantage of their strengths.

What all that means is that our future will quite easily include Eller and Pleks and even Galchenyuk as our centers because they are all players who complement eachothers styles. None require the "spotlight" and none require easy assignments. This gives us unparalleled flexibility in terms of players we can add.

For example if this team gets Malkin, Galch can shift to the wing and we can roll with something like this

Patches - Malkin - Gally
Galch - Pleks - Kristo
Bourque - Eller - UFA/Bozon

At the same time if we get Gaborik we can roll with this

Gaborik - Pleks - Gally
Bourque - Eller - UFA/Bozon
Patches - Galch - Kristo

And if we dont manage to land either of those ones then we still have the option to pair Eller and Galchenyuk.

My point here is that this team is built to have 3 dangerous lines, any of them will be on fire at any given point and pending the right coaching will be played more. It can create competition between lines and not players which will only help to fuel our offense.

Maybe Im overly optimistic here but I think we have an incredible opportunity to strike in the 2014-2015 FA period and make this team into a cup contender. We arent many pieces away.

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Vanek is one guy I'd be willing to really go big for. He showed up every game for the Sabres and he'd add some size to our wings.

If the Sabres want to go full rebuild I'd love to try and get him at the draft.

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Pominville - Bergeron - Brown (2015 line)
Galchenyuk - Eller - Gallagher
Stalberg - Plekanec - Bourque
Prust - Talbot (2013) - Bordeleau (2013)

Letang (2015) - Subban
Hjalmarsson (2015) - Beaulieu
Tinordi - Emelin

What's up?

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Pominville - Bergeron - Brown

What's up?
Can you imagine?!

Patches - Pleks - Bourque
Galch - Eller - Gally
Pominville - Bergeron - Brown

That lineup is unstoppable lol

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Can you imagine?!

Patches - Pleks - Bourque
Galch - Eller - Gally
Pominville - Bergeron - Brown

That lineup is unstoppable lol
...Your first line should be the third line. But that is indeed great.
Something of a pipe dream though

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I just took a quick glance at the crop of UFAs in 2014-2015 and it will easily rival the 2009 Free Agency which really set the tone for several franchises.

I know everyone is pressing the panic button here but I really hope Bergevin stays pat and adds a few solid vets on one year deals.

If we play our cards right (and trade DD ) we will have well over 30 Million in cap space.

Who is slated to be a UFA?

Malkin
Gaborik
Vanek
Thornton
Marleau
Dats
Bouwmeester
Boyle
Stastny
Phaneuf (ew)
Both Sedins
Kessel
Pominville
Patrice Bergeron
Michalek
Brooks Orpik
Chris Kunitz
Hjalmarsson
Letang
Dave Bolland
Seidenberg
Dustin Brown

And the list goes on.

This is a shocking number of "franchise changers" and players that on these forums go for a kings ransom.

It isnt out of the question that we can get one, perhaps two and maybe even three.

Can you imagine a lineup of

Vanek - Pleks - Patches
Galch - Eller - Gally
Kristo/UFA - Bolland - Bourque
Prust - UFA - White

Subban - Orpik/Phaneuf/Bouwmeester/Hjalmarsson
Tinordi - Beaulieu
UFA/Diaz - Gorges

Price

That is a realistic option if we wait.

Again I know everyone wants to get bigger *hulk smash hulk smash* but I think if we play our cards right we are a cup contender in two years. With Eller, Galch, Gally, Subban, Tinordi, Beaulieu and Price we have one of the strongest cores in the league. Lets wait to overpay in a year where talent is in a surplus imo.
Underlined players re-sign.

Bolded players we go after.

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