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A battle of the pens....or keybords.
Being a Habs fan since my early age, goalies have come and gone. Even the great Patrick Roy had people wanting him gone so bad.
To all haters All I'm going to say is the grass is not always greener on the other side or you don't know what you got till it's gone.
And to fans of Price like myself, well he better put on his joke strap next year. BE better and win a cup for us.

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Comparing to peers is hard when most of his peers are 5 years older than him and much more "experienced" and in their prime goaltending years. Let's take a look at all the goalies that were in the NHL during each season Price has played that is his EXACT age or within 1 year of him and played at least 40 games (like him).

2007-08
Price: MTL, 20 yo, 41 GP, 2.56 GAA, .920 Save % (pretty good year)
No other goalies, next closest is like Cam Ward and others aged 23.

2008-09
Price: MTL, 21 yo, 52 GP, 2.83 GAA, .905 Save % (bad year, came back from injury early)
Steve Mason: CBJ, 20 yo, 61 GP, 2.29 GAA, .916 Save % ( very good year [especially given the team in front of him], only one he had in CBJ)
Next closest is Jonathan Quick aged 23.

2009-10
Price: MTL, 22 yo, 41 GP, 2.77 GAA, .912 Save % (bad year, lost starting job to Halak)
Steve Mason: CBJ, 21 yo, 58 GP, 3.06 GAA, .901 Save % (crappy year)
Rask: BOS, 22 yo, 45 GP, 1.97 GAA, .931 Save % (incredible year and playing on a great Boston team whom a year later will win the Stanley Cup)
Pavelec: ATL, 22 yo, 42 GP, 3.29 GAA, .906 Save % (crappy year)
Next closest is Jonathan Quick aged 24.

2010-11
Price: MTL, 23 yo, 72 GP, 2.35 GAA, .923 Save % (very good year, also played at least 14 more games than any other goalie below)
Neuvirth: WSH, 22 yo, 48 GP, 2.45 GAA, .913 Save % (pretty good year)
Reimer (i'll include cuz it's close to 40 GP): TOR, 22 yo, 37 GP, 2.60 GAA, .921 Save % (good year)
Mason: CBJ, 22 yo, 54 GP, 3.03 GAA, .901 Save % (crappy year)
Bobrovsky: PHI, 22 yo, 54 GP, 2.59 GAA, .915 Save % (pretty good year)
Pavelec: ATL, 23 yo, 58 GP,2.73 GAA, .914 Save % (good year)
Dubnyk: EDM, 24 yo, 35 GP, 2.71 GAA, .916 Save % (good year)
Next closest is Jonathan Quick aged 25.

2011-12
Price: MTL, 24 yo, 65 GP, 2.43 GAA, .916 Save % (good year)
Varlamov: COL, 23 yo, 53 GP, 2.59 GAA, .913 Save % (good year)
Reimer: TOR, 23 yo, 34 GP, 3.10 GAA, .900 Save % (had a crappy year, concussion at the beginning of the year)
Neuvirth: WSH, 23 yo, 38 GP, 2.82 GAA, .903 Save % (really bad year)
Mason: CBJ, 23 yo, 46 GP, 3.39 GAA, .894 Save % (terrible year)
Pavelec: WPG, 24 yo, 68 GP, 2.91 GAA, .906 Save % (really bad year)
Devan Dubnyk: EDM, 25 yo, 2.67 GAA, .914 Save % (pretty good year)
Next closest is Jonathan Quick aged 26.

2012-13
Price: 25 yo, 39 GP, 2.59 GAA, .905 Save % (bad year)
Markstrom: 23 yo, 23 GP, 3.22 GAA, .901 Save % (terrible year, is a young goalie).
Holtby: 23 yo, 36 GP, 2.58 GAA, .920 Save % (pretty good year)
Varlamov: 24 yo, 35 GP, 3.02 GAA, .903 Save % (terrible year)
Reimer: 24 yo, 33 GP, 2.46 GAA, .924 Save % (very good year)
Mason: 24 yo, 20 GP, 2.59 GAA, .916 Save % (good year)
Lindback: 24 yo, 24 GP, 2.90 GAA, .902 Save % (really bad year)
Bobrovsky: 24 yo, 38 GP, 2.00 GAA, .932 Save % (vezina finalist type year)
Rask: 25 yo, 35 GP, 2.00 GAA, .929 Save % (amazing year)
Pavelecc: 25 yo, 44 GP, 2.80 GAA, .905 Save % (really bad year)
Schneider: 26 yo, 30 GP, 2.11 GAA, .927 Save % (amazing year)
Dubnyk: 26 yo, 38 GP, 2.57 GAA, .921 Save % (pretty good year)
Bishop: 26 yo, 22 GP, 2.67 GAA, .920 Save % (pretty good year)

Taking THESE stats into account, Carey Price at one point was the ONLY goalie in his age group in the NHL (in impeccable feature in itself) and through half a season, had a pretty good year. Other years where there were more than 3 goalies in his age group, he was in the top 3 in either 1 stat or both in all years except for last year and was top in BOTH stats two years running (2010-12).

So with that said, is Carey Price an elite goalie, given his age, stats at his age, experience as a young goaltender, ABSO-****ING-LUTELY.



D will be better. One more year in the league for Tinordi, Diaz, Emelin (upon his return) will be good for the defense. However, they need more depth in their top 4 defense i think. Move Markov down to a 4th defenseman (2nd line pairing) with Emelin. Gorges should be a 5th defenseman with Diaz as the 6th defenseman (3rd line pairing). Add a strong defensive defenseman with Subban so that he can perform better offensively 5on5 and we have a solid group (7th Tinordi, 8th Bouillon after Emelin comes back, before he does, Tinordi plays 6th defenseman).

But Price will be better too. Put these two together and I don't see how Montreal can't fight for the division title and possibly win it again (we won it this year cuz 48-game schedule only, had this season gone 82-games, we would have been 4th.)
You don't even need to take age into account though. Coming into this year the guy was tied for 6th over the past two years with some of those goalies either retiring or becoming backups.

When you factor in age just looks that much better.

And with the teams in front of him he looks better still. Like I said, I'll be interested to see how Rinne does. He's been great for a long time now (maybe the best in the league) but he's played behind a great defensive system and TWO Norris calibre blueliners. Once Suter left his stats dropped off significantly. How much of that is on the D? How much is it on him? Price has done it the past two seasons with some pretty crappy teams in front of him. I'd love to see his stats behind an actual good team because there's no doubt that they'd be better than what they are.

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A battle of the pens....or keybords.
Being a Habs fan since my early age, goalies have come and gone. Even the great Patrick Roy had people wanting him gone so bad.To all haters All I'm going to say is the grass is not always greener on the other side or you don't know what you got till it's gone.
And to fans of Price like myself, well he better put on his joke strap next year. BE better and win a cup for us.
I remember it well. Had similar conversations back then too. And this was with a guy who'd already lead us to a cup. Most hockey fans are bipolar anyway but Montreal takes it to a whole other level.

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I remember it well. Had similar conversations back then too. And this was with a guy who'd already lead us to a cup. Most hockey fans are bipolar anyway but Montreal takes it to a whole other level.
I really wish people would stop making Patrick Roy comparisons altogether. It just ups the ante for haters, which for the record I am not, I'm just neutrally critical of Price.

One thing I've noticed in the past two seasons was his inability to steal games. I understand the 2012 team was bad, and Carey had a "good" year statistically but he didn't really steal any games for us that year either which by rights an elite goalie should be able to do atleast 5-10 times a season. We've seen it with Rinne, Lunqvist and Thomas time and time again.

Carey has shown he can be elite, and has overall been good. The question is whether he can sustain consistency on the line of excellence, because that's how he gets paid. Was he injured the whole second half of this season thus explaining his poor play? I hope so for our sake. I'm just sick of hearing excuses all the time, because you don't hear that kind of defense for poor play by players like Gorges or Desharnais. Even Pacioretty is getting thrown under the bus this season and there is no one making excuses for him.

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I would sell your signed Carey Price junk if I were you , value is sinking like a stone just like Carey.
LOL my buddy just actually bought a blank Habs jersey for $90 and added Price's letters and #s for pretty cheap. Worth it for me IMO.

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I'm pretty sure I said that he was inconsistent this year. I didn't just say that it was all the D.

We had a terrible D the year before and he was great for us. That's what I expected this year and for the most part he was fine. As long as Price plays like he did in the previous two seasons and the first half of this year it's all good.
Our D was almost essentially the same, just that Diaz/Emelin were NHL rookies. That's the biggest difference.

What's surprising is everyone said Price had a bad/ok year last year. ARE YOU ******** ME? With the cluster**** that was our team last year, finishing with the 3rd WORST record in the entire league and he put up those numbers...like c'mon man.

Give the guy a break. He outperformed most goalies the past two seasons before this one (especially the guys around his age) and he has a bad month and a half in a 48-game season and almost everyone's all like "He hasn't been good enough past couple years" "He should be better because he was sold to us as this top calibre stud of a goalie (which he is btw)" or whatever other excuses you use.


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I guess it depends on what's being said and how Price himself is playing.

He played great in 2012 but we didn't make the playoffs. It was in spite of his play not because of it. If he plays like that and folks freak out then yeah, you'll hear it because it won't be the fault of Price. If he plays like he did in the latter part of this year then no, because that's on the goalie. The five hole we saw in the latter part of this season isn't on the D.

My worry (and it's a worry about the team not Price) is that Markov is unreliable at this stage of his career. Emelin probably won't start the season with us and we'll probably have a couple of rookies in the lineup. As a group that's not good. I think Price can make up for this as he has in years past. But we NEED at least one PK specialist on the blueline. Hal Gill for all his faults would at least clear the crease and get to the rebounds if they were there.

And as an aside - At least we can score with some consistency now. That's a big plus that we haven't had in a long time. I like the young core we have. It is a good group but like I said, we're in that 'in between stage' that I was worried about. It's why I argued that we should've rebuilt earlier than we did. I said that Price would be coming into his prime years and if we put it off (which we did) that some of those years would be wasted because we'd have younger players coming in and developing while we should be focusing on winning instead. And that's kind of what's happening now. Young guys coming in, Markov being old... our D is a bit of a mess now. This past year exceeded my expectations by a million percent but we could drop back next year. We'll see I guess.
Well said. 100% Agreed.

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You don't even need to take age into account though. Coming into this year the guy was tied for 6th over the past two years with some of those goalies either retiring or becoming backups.

When you factor in age just looks that much better.

And with the teams in front of him he looks better still. Like I said, I'll be interested to see how Rinne does. He's been great for a long time now (maybe the best in the league) but he's played behind a great defensive system and TWO Norris calibre blueliners. Once Suter left his stats dropped off significantly. How much of that is on the D? How much is it on him? Price has done it the past two seasons with some pretty crappy teams in front of him. I'd love to see his stats behind an actual good team because there's no doubt that they'd be better than what they are.
But to all these Price "haters" age needs to be taken into account, among other things. Because they like to compare CP31 to JQ32 and say "Look at Quick, he is so much better than Price etc."

Defensive teams in front of the goalies in most of the cases in my post above are weak, with some exceptions (PHI, BOS to name a couple).

But that's certainly not valid enough for Price "haters"

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A battle of the pens....or keybords.
Being a Habs fan since my early age, goalies have come and gone. Even the great Patrick Roy had people wanting him gone so bad.
To all haters All I'm going to say is the grass is not always greener on the other side or you don't know what you got till it's gone.
And to fans of Price like myself, well he better put on his joke strap next year. BE better and win a cup for us.
Besides a mustering of cliches, you really haven't said anything one way or another. You should be a politician.

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Besides a mustering of cliches, you really haven't said anything one way or another. You should be a politician.
Well if you took the time to comprehend what his "cliches" mean, than you would realize that he has clearly communicated what he thinks... So yes, he has "said something" one way or another.

Nice try though.

On another note it's sad, I honestly think some Habs fans are rooting against him at this point.


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Well if you took the time to comprehend what his "cliches" mean, than you would realize that he has clearly communicated what he thinks... So yes, he has "said something" one way or another.

Nice try though.

On another note it's sad, I honestly think some Habs fans are rooting against him at this point.
Some are, some are just expecting him to be better. I know I expect him to be better, but i'm OK with his performance to date, would be thrilled had he been able to repeat 2010-11 season year after year, but a fan can only dream right?

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Some are, some are just expecting him to be better. I know I expect him to be better, but i'm OK with his performance to date, would be thrilled had he been able to repeat 2010-11 season year after year, but a fan can only dream right?
Yes, indeed, the bar has been lowered to the point where the best we can hope for is for our goaltender to lose a series in the first round.

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I really wish people would stop making Patrick Roy comparisons altogether. It just ups the ante for haters, which for the record I am not, I'm just neutrally critical of Price.
Comparison wasn't between Roy and Price, its a comment on the way our fans treat our players... specifically the goalies. If Patrick Roy wasn't good enough (and he wasn't for a lot of people) then what chance does any goalie have?
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One thing I've noticed in the past two seasons was his inability to steal games. I understand the 2012 team was bad, and Carey had a "good" year statistically but he didn't really steal any games for us that year either which by rights an elite goalie should be able to do atleast 5-10 times a season. We've seen it with Rinne, Lunqvist and Thomas time and time again.
I'd say that you aren't watching closely enough. The guy stole the entire 2011 season for us. In 2012 he was consistently our best player. That team was a disaster though, no saving that team's season.
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Carey has shown he can be elite, and has overall been good. The question is whether he can sustain consistency on the line of excellence, because that's how he gets paid. Was he injured the whole second half of this season thus explaining his poor play? I hope so for our sake. I'm just sick of hearing excuses all the time, because you don't hear that kind of defense for poor play by players like Gorges or Desharnais. Even Pacioretty is getting thrown under the bus this season and there is no one making excuses for him.
If Price was injured they should've just sat him. If he really was hurt they did him and the team no favours by playing him.

As for Max, he had a separated shoulder in the playoffs and shouldn't have been playing at all. He was totally ineffective and again... we did him and ourselves no favours by suiting him up.

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Yes, indeed, the bar has been lowered to the point where the best we can hope for is for our goaltender to lose a series in the first round.
Such negativity about a goaltender on our team that, like other threads have mentioned, don't deserve to make it past 1st rounds. We aren't SC Contenders, never have been. We won't be for at least a couple years or so.

But hey, don't take anything that I say with a positive light, only look at the negatives.

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Such negativity about a goaltender on our team that, like other threads have mentioned, don't deserve to make it past 1st rounds. We aren't SC Contenders, never have been. We won't be for at least a couple years or so.

But hey, don't take anything that I say with a positive light, only look at the negatives.
You and others have terribly low standards. Is Ottawa a contender? San Jose? New York (not this year)? All of these teams had goalies that played excellent hockey. If you need a good team for a goalie to play well, then why are we paying a goalie $6M?

And comparing Price to goalies his age is fine, his salary should reflect that.

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LOL @ the Roy comparisons, though.

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You and others have terribly low standards. Is Ottawa a contender? San Jose? New York (not this year)? All of these teams had goalies that played excellent hockey. If you need a good team for a goalie to play well, then why are we paying a goalie $6M?

And comparing Price to goalies his age is fine, his salary should reflect that.
Did you just compare Ottawa (with all their injuries, have amazing depth and EXCELLENT coaching), San Jose, and New York to the Montreal Canadiens.



We're paying a goalie 6.5 million because in spite of having ridiculously ****** teams for years, he's played for periods of hockey (2010-2012) like some goalies played in their prime years during those times. You don't win Stanley Cups on the backs of the goaltenders (I mean we sort of did in 86 i guess, but we had a good hard-working team in 86 as well as 93). Just look at the last 5 SC Champions. Los Angeles Kings, great goalie and great team in front of him. Boston Bruins, great goalie and great team in front of him. Chicago Blackhawks, great goalie and great team in front of him. Pittsburgh Penguins, good goalie and great team in front of him. Detroit Red Wings, good goalie and great team in front of him.

See the pattern there...

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Can someone explain me what as Price done more than our previous goaltenders apapart being tall and pick 5th overall? Being 100% serious.. i dont recall theodore, Huet heck even Hackett had similar stats in Montréal when they were starters ... and our team was total crap if anything peice has always had the best team in front of him... i am not saying Price is bad.. hell no.. he has still a good value because other teams will always think and it could happen that they can transform him... but the value we may get for him is surely interesting.. Bernier + interesting player maybe?

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Did you just compare Ottawa (with all their injuries, have amazing depth and EXCELLENT coaching), San Jose, and New York to the Montreal Canadiens.



We're paying a goalie 6.5 million because in spite of having ridiculously ****** teams for years, he's played for periods of hockey (2010-2012) like some goalies played in their prime years during those times. You don't win Stanley Cups on the backs of the goaltenders (I mean we sort of did in 86 i guess, but we had a good hard-working team in 86 as well as 93). Just look at the last 5 SC Champions. Los Angeles Kings, great goalie and great team in front of him. Boston Bruins, great goalie and great team in front of him. Chicago Blackhawks, great goalie and great team in front of him. Pittsburgh Penguins, good goalie and great team in front of him. Detroit Red Wings, good goalie and great team in front of him.

See the pattern there...
None of those teams were contenders, smart guy.

If we have a ridiculously **** team then the goalie has been even worse than that. Again, seeing clowns put down everything around Price just to prop him up makes me What will the excuses be next year?

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Can someone explain me what as Price done more than our previous goaltenders apapart being tall and pick 5th overall? Being 100% serious.. i dont recall theodore, Huet heck even Hackett had similar stats in Montréal when they were starters ... and our team was total crap if anything peice has always had the best team in front of him... i am not saying Price is bad.. hell no.. he has still a good value because other teams will always think and it could happen that they can transform him... but the value we may get for him is surely interesting.. Bernier + interesting player maybe?
Jeff Hacket: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php?pid=2083

Notice how his best years came when he was 28 (Chicago) and 30 (Montreal).

Cristobal Huet: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=47222

Notice how hist best years came when he was 28 (Monarchs/Kings) and 30 (Canadiens)

The only exception was Theodore where when he was now Price's age (25 going on 26) in 1999-00 and then 2001-02 (28) was where he has outperformed Price.

Jesus murphy, the guy is younger than all of these goaltender's best years. Even when Theodore was in his prime, he was also inconsistent (short memories anyone?). He had just as bad or probably worse teams in front of him (Theodore).



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You and others have terribly low standards. Is Ottawa a contender? San Jose? New York (not this year)? All of these teams had goalies that played excellent hockey. If you need a good team for a goalie to play well, then why are we paying a goalie $6M?

And comparing Price to goalies his age is fine, his salary should reflect that.
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Did you just compare Ottawa (with all their injuries, have amazing depth and EXCELLENT coaching), San Jose, and New York to the Montreal Canadiens.



We're paying a goalie 6.5 million because in spite of having ridiculously ****** teams for years, he's played for periods of hockey (2010-2012) like some goalies played in their prime years during those times. You don't win Stanley Cups on the backs of the goaltenders (I mean we sort of did in 86 i guess, but we had a good hard-working team in 86 as well as 93). Just look at the last 5 SC Champions. Los Angeles Kings, great goalie and great team in front of him. Boston Bruins, great goalie and great team in front of him. Chicago Blackhawks, great goalie and great team in front of him. Pittsburgh Penguins, good goalie and great team in front of him. Detroit Red Wings, good goalie and great team in front of him.

See the pattern there...
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None of those teams were contenders, smart guy.

If we have a ridiculously **** team then the goalie has been even worse than that. Again, seeing clowns put down everything around Price just to prop him up makes me What will the excuses be next year?
Rangers are contenders. They have a much better team all around than we do. San Jose are contenders (have been for years). They have a much better team all around than we do. Ottawa is not a contender, but in 3-4 years all their AHL Binghamton Champion team will be in their prime and I think they are further along in terms of depth than we are.

Goalie has not been worse, save for maybe last 1.5 months of this year. If you noticed the cluster**** that was last season and then look at Price's stats. Seriously, that's ****ing amazing. Look at the numbers by the bottom 5 team's starting goalies and compare them for me...unless I need to do it for you.

There won't be any excuses next year. He's going to play lights out and make you eat crow (at least that's the plan). If he plays bad all season next year like he did for the last stretch of this season, then I can't defend him obviously. But I highly believe that it won't be the case...

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Can someone explain me what as Price done more than our previous goaltenders apapart being tall and pick 5th overall? Being 100% serious.. i dont recall theodore, Huet heck even Hackett had similar stats in Montréal when they were starters ... and our team was total crap if anything peice has always had the best team in front of him... i am not saying Price is bad.. hell no.. he has still a good value because other teams will always think and it could happen that they can transform him... but the value we may get for him is surely interesting.. Bernier + interesting player maybe?

The Kings have Quick, why would they trade their back up for Price? Makes no sense.

But say that they didn't, Bernier has 60 games of experience as a back up. What if he isn't able to be a #1 goalie and can't handle the load of a full season? Then what?

As I said in a previous post, trading Price isn't as easy as people may think.
The risk simply isn't worth taking at this point. What we should have done is keep drafting goalies that way we always have at least one solid one in our system ready to step up. We have to do it this year, better late than never.

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I love this thread! I don't expect a consensus to emerge, but I think there's something to be learned from all this really detailed and passionate arguing about Price's place in the league. There are smart posters on both sides of this debate.

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I love this thread! I don't expect a consensus to emerge, but I think there's something to be learned from all this really detailed and passionate arguing about Price's place in the league.
What I've learned from it is that whoever the goalie is and however he plays people will complain. As if its all about the goalie, like its him who scores the goals..

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What I've learned from it is that whoever the goalie is and however he plays people will complain. As if its all about the goalie, like its him who scores the goals..

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Agreed. So much

The facepalm will be even more once Price returns to form next season, or once we trade him away and he soon becomes one of the best goaltenders in the league.

Time will tell.

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Can someone explain me what as Price done more than our previous goaltenders apapart being tall and pick 5th overall? Being 100% serious.. i dont recall theodore, Huet heck even Hackett had similar stats in Montréal when they were starters ... and our team was total crap if anything peice has always had the best team in front of him... i am not saying Price is bad.. hell no.. he has still a good value because other teams will always think and it could happen that they can transform him... but the value we may get for him is surely interesting.. Bernier + interesting player maybe?
None of those goalies were able to be starters over the long haul. None were workhorses like Price is. Only Theo had 5+ years of anything approaching Price's workload and success. Halak's still in his late 20s so he's still got more to show, but he hasn't managed to really establish himself either and may have actually lost his job to Brian Elliot now.

And you want to trade for Bernier? Really?

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