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05-22-2013, 06:44 AM
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This guy belongs late in the draft, not in the 3rd round. Especially in a draft like that. Morgan Ellis was better than him in his draft year, and he went in the 4th round.
Graves is much more of a high risk, high reward pick than Ellis. He could end up being a guy like Girardi, a 6'5" shutdown d-man. His game is not as advanced as you'd like, but sometimes big guys develop later. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody took him late 3rd or early 4th. Given the Habs situation and extra picks, I could see him being a target with our 3rd(assuming no 4ths are added) if no big d-man is darfted earlier.

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05-22-2013, 06:51 AM
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Red Line updated top 20 for May:
1-Jones
2-Drouin
3-MacKinnon
4-Barkov
5-Nikushkin
6-Monahan
7-Lindholm
8-Nurse
9-Domi
10-Erne
11-Shinkaruk
12-Ristolainen
13-Horvat
14-Hartman
15-Zadorov
16-Morin
17-Morrissey
18-Pulock
19-Wennberg
20-Compher

Other QMJHL in top 150

21-Poirier, Gat
25-Carrier, CB
26-Zykov, BC
31-Gauthier, Rim
32-Mantha, VD
34-Fucale, Hal
37-Sorensen, Que
39-Duclair, Que
42-Roy, BBA
43-Dauphin, Chi
47-Desrosiers, Rim
59-Boudreau-Paquin, BC
70-Murphy, Hal
96-Weegar, Hal
98-Kostalek, Rim
99-Reway, Gat
105-Laplante, PEI
109-Andrighetto, RN
113-Etchegarry, Que
118-Graves, PEI
121-Belanger, RN
124-Diaby, Vic
132-Dunn, VD
133-Dea, RN
143-Bibeau, PEI

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05-22-2013, 08:02 AM
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Something doesn't make sense here. If Pittsburgh or Chicago are eliminated are you saying that MB might consider moving up but then again he might not.

I can see Bettman walking up to the podium and saying "It's Montreal's turn to pick but after much pondering, they have reconsidered and will wait until the 25th spot to pick. Chicago, you're on the clock."
If the Hawks and/or the Pens are eliminated, the Habs first round pick (currently 25th), will either be 24th or 23rd, hence the "moving up" part that Bergevin was referring to.

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05-22-2013, 08:18 AM
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37-Sorensen, Que
39-Duclair, Que
Two guys I wouldn't touch until the third (mayyybe late second, depending who's on the board). Not a fan at all.

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The Habs really need a forward whose efforts and results are inconsistent to say the least.
MXD do you think the Habs need to add a big /gritty scorer to the top 6 forwards ? I know they do so why not draft some players that have a chance to play that role in the NHL? How is Rychel inconsistent he has avegaged over 80 points in each of the last 2 years.

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05-22-2013, 08:23 AM
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Two guys I wouldn't touch until the third (mayyybe late second, depending who's on the board). Not a fan at all.
Somebody will take Duclair in the 2nd, ridiculous speed and creativity. High risk but potentially high reward. He could be a 30 goal 70 point NHLer.

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05-22-2013, 08:28 AM
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Somebody will take Duclair in the 2nd, ridiculous speed and creativity. High risk but potentially high reward. He could be a 30 goal 70 point NHLer.
For sure, just saying it wouldn't be me

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Somebody will take Duclair in the 2nd, ridiculous speed and creativity. High risk but potentially high reward. He could be a 30 goal 70 point NHLer.
Yeah i doubt he's a 70 point player.

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Yeah i doubt he's a 70 point player.
It's unlikely, but he has that kind of skill.

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MXD do you think the Habs need to add a big /gritty scorer to the top 6 forwards ? I know they do so why not draft some players that have a chance to play that role in the NHL? How is Rychel inconsistent he has avegaged over 80 points in each of the last 2 years.
Have you seen him play?

I haven't, but from what I read, he needs to work on his acceleration. He also need to work on consistency as far as defence and grit are concerned, some games he does it all, some games he's invisible.

The fact that he didn't have that much amelioration in his points total from last year may be a bad sign. He was going to have a worst season until Kokhlachev came back.

He's a high risk/high reward player.

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05-22-2013, 09:33 AM
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Rychel is as lazy as can be. Don't let the paper fool you. Late 2nd for me.

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Have you seen him play?

I haven't, but from what I read, he needs to work on his acceleration. He also need to work on consistency as far as defence and grit are concerned, some games he does it all, some games he's invisible.

The fact that he didn't have that much amelioration in his points total from last year may be a bad sign. He was going to have a worst season until Kokhlachev came back.

He's a high risk/high reward player.
Well if Kokhlachev made him a 40 goal scorer what will GALCHENYUK do for his game? I am not saying he is perfect if he was he would be drafted in the top 5. What I am saying is at the #25 pick we have to take players that fill a need within the Habs prospect pool, and Rychel would be the only Montreal prospect that has a chance to be a power forward that can play on the top 2 lines.

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05-22-2013, 09:47 AM
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Well if Kokhlachev made him a 40 goal scorer what will GALCHENYUK do for his game? I am not saying he is perfect if he was he would be drafted in the top 5. What I am saying is at the #25 pick we have to take players that fill a need within the Habs prospect pool, and Rychel would be the only Montreal prospect that has a chance to be a power forward that can play on the top 2 lines.
First, OHL and NHL are wayyyyyy different...Rychel could bust at the NHL level despite having Galchenyuk to feed him the puck.

Second, no, we don't have to take a player to fill a need...

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First, OHL and NHL are wayyyyyy different...Rychel could bust at the NHL level despite having Galchenyuk to feed him the puck.

Second, no, we don't have to take a player to fill a need...
I agree, drafting for need is a recipe for failure.

that being said if you have two or three pretty close players you CAN draft the guy that best fits the team's need, I just hate the approach of "we need a big winger" and just darfting the best one there if there is a potential #1 or 2 d-man taht is clearly better.

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What are everyone's thoughts on Chris Bigras? Not the biggest guy but he seems solid. Looks to be in the same mould as Dietz where he's solid defensively but might have something to show offensively as well, wouldn't mind picking him up if he's available at the Habs 2nd or Dallas' 3rd.
I feel Dietz is more solid defensively. But I wouldn't mind Bigras in the 3rd round. If they go for him, it's because they want value, because the pipeline is filled with two-way defenders, and his offensive acumen is not really a need considering what's coming up on defense.

But as Whitesnake likes to point out, it could give Bergevin the option to trade from a strenght and improve a weakness. la Goligoski vs Neal/Niskanen and Joe Morrow vs B Morrow.

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Two guys I wouldn't touch until the third (mayyybe late second, depending who's on the board). Not a fan at all.
Red line are known for going against the tide.

Doubt Gauthier and Mantha go that late too, but still interesting to see their opinion.

As for Duclair, I would have no problem taking him at 55.


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05-22-2013, 10:31 AM
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Red line are known for going against the tide.

Doubt Gauthier and Mantha go that late too, but still interesting to see their opinion.

As for Duclair, I would have no problem taking at 55.
It's not very often that guys with such apparent 1st line upside are available in the 2nd and 3rd round. If his attitude could get sorted, I'm quite sure he could be a good NHLer. BIG boom or bust.

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What do you guys thonl of Hayden? Could he slip to 71?

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For those who haven't seen it, here's the link to my latest mock draft thread:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1433593

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Apparently Nichushkin's KHL contract has been ripped up and he's coming over now.

Please let TB pick him and foolishly pass on Drouin.

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Apparently Nichushkin's KHL contract has been ripped up and he's coming over now.

Please let TB pick him and foolishly pass on Drouin.
Not that I don't believe you, but can I see your source? It's pretty good news.

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Apparently Nichushkin's KHL contract has been ripped up and he's coming over now.

Please let TB pick him and foolishly pass on Drouin.
We need to trade up!

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To pick Nichushkin right?

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I agree, drafting for need is a recipe for failure.

that being said if you have two or three pretty close players you CAN draft the guy that best fits the team's need, I just hate the approach of "we need a big winger" and just darfting the best one there if there is a potential #1 or 2 d-man taht is clearly better.
True, but with our first three picks, I think there will always be someone who we'll like more than the next guy on our list. IMO, the "needs" tie-breaker is more likely later in the draft.

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If the source is just Nichushkin's word...I would be a little leery of that. I'd like to see something confirmed from the KHL's side before I took that news to the bank and drafted him with my high pick.

That said, if it's true, I still wouldn't see him going before the big 3. Could definitely see him being the third forward taken after Mack and Drouin though (which is where he belongs, on talent alone).

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