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05-22-2013, 10:45 AM
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Our playoff no-shows

This thread is not about Lundqvist, who is inconsistent but at least shows up consistently enough and has some great games in the playoffs.

This thread is about our 1st line center (Stepan) who according to several advanced stats metrics was a top 2 way forward and was our most consistent player this year. He had an almost PPG season. In fact it was more than PPG in the last 37 games. He went 2 stretches of consecutive pointless streaks in those 37 game. In 10 playoff games this year he has had 3 already, one of 3 games. He hasn't had one good playoff in his career yet.

This thread is also about Nash who has been a 40 goal scorer twice in his career. He was on pace for close to 40/40 this year. He's our most talented player. Total no show in the playoffs.

This thread is also about a guy that was on pace to score around 30 goals for 3 straight years, Callahan. Total no show again, as he was every year in the playoffs.

From these 3 Callahan and 27/28 worries me the most. He's not a young player anymore and has had plenty of experience. I wonder if he'll ever be good in the playoffs. Nash worries me due to his age, but he also is very inexperienced in the playoffs, so you can see him improve. Stepan has decent playoff experience but is only 22, I worry about him the least. That said these are probably 3 of our top 4 offensive players (the other being Brassard), hoping and praying that they turn into playoff performers is a good way to be disappointed year after year in the playoffs. What do we do?

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05-22-2013, 10:52 AM
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Despite scoring a couple of big goals in the 1st round, Stepan has been a bit of a disappointment.

He has not dictated play at all.

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This thread is not about Lundqvist, who is inconsistent but at least shows up consistently enough and has some great games in the playoffs.

This thread is about our 1st line center (Stepan) who according to several advanced stats metrics was a top 2 way forward and was our most consistent player this year. He had an almost PPG season. In fact it was more than PPG in the last 37 games. He went 2 stretches of consecutive pointless streaks in those 37 game. In 10 playoff games this year he has had 3 already, one of 3 games. He hasn't had one good playoff in his career yet.

This thread is also about Nash who has been a 40 goal scorer twice in his career. He was on pace for close to 40/40 this year. He's our most talented player. Total no show in the playoffs.

This thread is also about a guy that was on pace to score around 30 goals for 3 straight years, Callahan. Total no show again, as he was every year in the playoffs.

From these 3 Callahan and 27/28 worries me the most. He's not a young player anymore and has had plenty of experience. I wonder if he'll ever be good in the playoffs. Nash worries me due to his age, but he also is very inexperienced in the playoffs, so you can see him improve. Stepan has decent playoff experience but is only 22, I worry about him the least. That said these are probably 3 of our top 4 offensive players (the other being Brassard), hoping and praying that they turn into playoff performers is a good way to be disappointed year after year in the playoffs. What do we do?
In general, suggest the consistency of what I have preached for years:
no sacred cows, everyone is available for the right price if it is a profit.

It's not good for hero attachment and appreciation, but it does keep the club moving forward.

Specifically I'm not immediate concerned w/Cally atm.
I expected more from most.

Again, a HUGE problem is Torts and this effin style that has everybody exhausted come playoffs, even in a short year.

When are you guys going to listen to me about this and a couple of other things!

While honesty must admit atm Miller has been out with healing wrists, generally speaking a high speed line like

Hagelin Kreider Callahan
would be terrific.
CK has amateur experience in the pivot, would it kill to give a few shifts there?

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Stepan also has the most goals of anyone on the team, and is centering the line that leads the team in shots.

30 shots for cally and hags a piece, as well as 27 for stepan.

And he's 2nd best +/- on the team behind only Hags.


The biggest issue with this team, like it has been all season is that the guy with the best shot is asham, who has 7 shots, and the 2nd best shot is Kreider, who has 4 shots.


Nash shooting like 2% all playoffs is beyond horrible.


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05-22-2013, 11:35 AM
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You can blame the players all you want but this is about the system they play!! Torts has to go!!

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Didn't this team have a badger or some other large rodent?

Stepan; Nash (supposedly injured); Del Zotto showed up, just for the other teams.

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Didn't this team have a badger or some other large rodent?

Stepan; Nash (supposedly injured); Del Zotto showed up, just for the other teams.
I think Del Zotto has been one of the Rangers worst players this post season. I've never felt comfortable with him out on the ice when I've been watching, and he's been on the ice for so many of the goals against. Too bad he couldn't sustain that great stretch he had during the season but even Tortorella didn't think he would.

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The players look completely lost. There also seems to be no heart on this team outside of Callahan (of course). Both issues could be blamed on coaching.

Hopefully the coach is let go this off season and a few wasteful players are also shown the door (Richards, Del Zotto, et al) and we can add some more character to this team again.

I also can't wait to finally get real explanations for why players missed the entire playoffs with seemingly playable injuries. I can't stand the secrecy this team has about injuries.

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Nash is a no-brainer. One of the reasons the organization traded for him was because we needed more goals in the playoffs; he has scored once.

Stepan has been a disappointment when you consider how well he played in the regular season. He scored some big goals but I haven't seen much of the decisiveness or playmaking that made him so successful this year.

Aside from about 2 games where he played well, Callahan has ranged from mediocre to downright lousy. He was playing around with the puck again last night, just keep it simple.

Team defense has been supbar. I expect the offense to sputter in the playoffs, but I did not anticipate the bad coverage, odd man rushes, poor positional play, etc.

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I expected this from Callahan. He is BAD in the playoffs.

I honestly thought Nash would shine because he is actually playing meaningful games. He has been a major disappointment. If he is injured then it at least explains why he has been ineffective, but if he is not we have a lot of concerns going forward with him.

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I think Del Zotto has been one of the Rangers worst players this post season. I've never felt comfortable with him out on the ice when I've been watching, and he's been on the ice for so many of the goals against. Too bad he couldn't sustain that great stretch he had during the season but even Tortorella didn't think he would.
He really sucked. I think to say he flat out sucked is fair criticism, without going into more detail, as he literally did something stupid every time he was on the ice.

Clear choice for the Derp Smythe award.

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I expected this from Callahan. He is BAD in the playoffs.

I honestly thought Nash would shine because he is actually playing meaningful games. He has been a major disappointment. If he is injured then it at least explains why he has been ineffective, but if he is not we have a lot of concerns going forward with him.
Nash better need some kind of major surgery this off season or else Sather made one of his worst moves of his tenure here, bringing this guy in for 4 roster players. Completely gutting a team for a soft, slow, heartless player.

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I think Del Zotto has been one of the Rangers worst players this post season. I've never felt comfortable with him out on the ice when I've been watching, and he's been on the ice for so many of the goals against. Too bad he couldn't sustain that great stretch he had during the season but even Tortorella didn't think he would.
Should trade him for a center when his value is high. There is no doubt in my mind Moore will become a better offensive or two way defenseman than del zotto ever will

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Nash better need some kind of major surgery this off season or else Sather made one of his worst moves of his tenure here, bringing this guy in for 4 roster players. Completely gutting a team for a soft, slow, heartless player.
So not only was Tim Erixon a roster player, but their 2013 1st rounder is a roster player too?

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John Tortorella, yet again, is a playoff no-show.

He has consistently been outcoached in the playoffs since he's been here. We've only won the series we have because Lundqvist went into God mode.

When the opposition keys in on our top players, the coaching staff (and our players) seem totally incapable of adjusting.

Now, our team has seemed to tune out Torts. When he starts saying that his players "suck" on the PP, without being able to teach/coach them to be better, he's lost the team.

He must go.

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My thoughts:

Didn't show up: Richards, MDZ

Disappointments: Nash, Girardi, Boyle, to a degree Stepan

Showed up: HL, McD, Stralman, Brass, Moore, Cally, Dorsett

The rest were somewhere in between.

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So not only was Tim Erixon a roster player, but their 2013 1st rounder is a roster player too?
I should have said 4 assets. And Erixon would have been playing on this team this year.

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So not only was Tim Erixon a roster player, but their 2013 1st rounder is a roster player too?
It's HFBoards: of course.

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It's that time of year when we ignore everything a player's done in the year and focus on a reduced sample size of games.

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Going down the list of scorers

Brass=god

Zucc= 1 goal, 6 assists, 10 games, i'm real happy with that. Though, much of that can be attributed to playing with Brass.

Cally- 2 goals, 3 assists, ton of hits- I expected Cally to be 3rd or 4th in scoring, but with 1 or 2 more goal and another assist or two. Of note, both of his goals were unassisted takeaways. The chances have been there, and he's played well in most of the games. Still not good enough.

Hags- 2 goals, 3 assists= exactly where i'd expect him to be at this point. a 3rd/2nd line tweener in his second playoffs? alright.

Pyatt- has exceeded expectations. Flat out awful in the regular season, really turned it up. 2 goals, 2 assists.

Rick Nash- 1 goal, 3 assists. Easily the biggest reason we're in this hole has been the non-production of Nash. He needs to have double what he has at this point in time, at least.

Boyle- 2 goals, 1 assist- That's fine. That's all.

G and McD, each with 1 goal and 2 assists is about what i can hope for from 2 defensive defensemen. G had the worst game of his career, but otherwise hasn't been bad.

Stepan. God damn it Stepan. 3 goals is fine. it's great. 0 assists though? for our "#1 center". and it's not like his teammates are flubbing chances left and right. I thought he was going to tear it up after the season he had.

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Brad Richards. 1 assist. - 3.


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Can't wait untill Thursday. I am so tired of seeing the helplessness of this team and coaching staff incompetence.

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Brad Richards. 1 assist. - 3.

Can't. Stop. Laughing.

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It seems like our best players disappear in the playoffs every year. Is it the players or maybe the system as designed doesn't work well in the postseason?

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It's that time of year when we ignore everything a player's done in the year and focus on a reduced sample size of games.
Because it's the cup.


Seriously though, it is the most important time of year, but we don't like logic in the playoffs

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Can't. Stop. Laughing.
It's 'cause Richards has Thor's hair.


Really. I cut him all the slack in the regular season. If he even had 4 points by this time, I'd be happy with him. He got hot going into the playoffs, and then said "NOPE. I'M DONE. **** Y'ALL"

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