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05-22-2013, 05:09 PM
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Collberg will need to work on his explosion, agility and top speed to be a successful winger in the NHL. Right now, pretty much only his shot is NHL worthy.

As for the size, people live in the past conceptions that 6'0+ is tall. Not anymore. A 6'0 guy WILL look smallish on the ice (notice here I didn't say he could not be bulky at the same time). I would be surprised if the average height is under 6'2 to be honest.

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Not that he's quite at PPG, but I'm not exactly hearing that about Lindholm. Just saying.

Collberg's a fine prospect, but he's quickly becoming the most overhyped one in years. He's not a blue chipper by any means and some are talking about a shoe-in in the top 6.
Lindholm isn't particularly close to a PPG, but he's close enough to be legitimate top 10 talent who could get picked in the top 5, and considered the best Swedish prospect since at least Backstrom. And if he had say 10 more points, he's be considered in the same league as Jones, Mac and Drouin, easily.

Collberg was never considered a top 10 prospect. If your idea of a blue chip prospect is someone likely to be an elite prospect, you are right, he's not one. He was however, considered a mid first round pick and was basically a free first rounder for us. He is a great prospect, one with plenty he needs to work on but I think he has a higher ceiling than guys like Leblanc and Kristo...considering the hype they get, it's only natural Collberg does also.

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Collberg will need to work on his explosion, agility and top speed to be a successful winger in the NHL. Right now, pretty much only his shot is NHL worthy.

As for the size, people live in the past conceptions that 6'0+ is tall. Not anymore. A 6'0 guy WILL look smallish on the ice (notice here I didn't say he could not be bulky at the same time). I would be surprised if the average height is under 6'2 to be honest.
Collberg has pretty nice explosion, I'm not sure where you get the idea that's a weakness of his.

Average height in the NHL is like 6'1". The idea that 5'11" is small is pretty ridiculous though, I don't know about you but I'm 6'2" and I don't find I have any advantage over 6' guys when it comes to sports. I can see dismissing a player for being 5'6", but 5'11"?


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It seems like his Eliteserien career took a turn for the better around mid-season. He had had a successful WJC, was a go-to player for Sweden. When he returned to Frolunda he was given more responsibility and responded with more production. Like others have said, he's been playing in a tough league for his age, but he's adjusting and is on an upwards trajectory.

It's also worth mentioning that the first half of the season was even tougher than usual for kids and depth players in the Eliteserien, as a bunch of locked out NHL'ers spent time there. Including Duchene and Stalberg in Frolunda, bumping Collberg to 13th forward playing 2-5min/g.
Thanks for this reply. I was simply asking a question and did not realize that I would have offended so many people by asking it.

How would you compare him to Galchenyuk (yes, I know, Collberg is not a C) since Chuckie was able to play with a level of success at a similar age in the NHL while Collberg struggled playing in the SEL, a less physical League?

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Thanks for this reply. I was simply asking a question and did not realize that I would have offended so many people by asking it.

How would you compare him to Galchenyuk (yes, I know, Collberg is not a C) since Chuckie was able to play with a level of success at a similar age in the NHL while Collberg struggled playing in the SEL, a less physical League?
Have you not followed Collberg's development at all in the past year? He had very little ice time, some times he didn't even play in games he was dressed. That he finished the season with these points is a testament to his skills. His coach had a very conservative approach to rookie development, he'd make him play only when veterans were injured.

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Not trolling. Honest question.

17 points in 98 games is not impressive to me.

If he were close to a point per game forward, I would never have posted what I did.
All is about context. This year, with his 9 points in 35 games in the SEL, he was 29th in scoring for players under 24.

For players under 20, he was 6th/96, behind Lindholm (top10 pick this year), Karlsson (Anaheim second rounder, 20 yo), Niklas Jensen (2011 29th pick, 20 yo), Max Gortz (2011 #172 20 yo) and Viktor Arvidsson (20 years old). All of those players, excluding Lindholm, are 1 year older than him. For U19 players, he was 2th/46th.

To give you an idea of how hard it is to play that league as 18, only 14 18 years old played at least 1 game and only 4 more than 10 this year.

For allvenskan, since he played less game, we'll use ppg. He was 24th in the u24 group, 8th/95 in the u20 and 5/52 in the U19. Most of the guys on top of him are also highly touted prospects/players such as Landeskog, Forsberg, Burakowsky, De la Rose, Aberg, Wennberg.

This is why I am excited about him, even if I just have the posters here, a couple read here and there and boxscore scouting as an evaluation.

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If Collberg was close to a point per game forward at the age of 18 in the SEL, he'd have been the consensus number one pick and hyped as one of Sweden's greatest ever prospects.

But I think it's his height that's concerning you more.
Height is largely irrelevant in the NHL in the sense that there is not a bit of difference between a 5' 11" player and a player who is 6' 1".

Weight is more important since the larger players are harder to defend and clear from the crease. For example, Lucic is not effective because of his height. He is effective because of his weight.

Regarding the comparisons to Silfverberg, in four seasons in the SEL, he scored 108 points in 166 games.

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Height is largely irrelevant in the NHL in the sense that there is not a bit of difference between a 5' 11" player and a player who is 6' 1".

Weight is more important since the larger players are harder to defend and clear from the crease. For example, Lucic is not effective because of his height. He is effective because of his weight.

Regarding the comparisons to Silfverberg, in four seasons in the SEL, he scored 108 points in 166 games.
88 of those points came in his 2nd (34) and 3rd (54) years post-draft. If Collberg puts up around 30 points next year, he's following pretty much the same path.

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Regarding the comparisons to Silfverberg, in four seasons in the SEL, he scored 108 points in 166 games.
...at an older age. When Silfverberg was 18, he got 4 points in 18 games. Collberg had horrible stats for his first year in the SEL, but that's because it's extremely rare for 17/18 year olds to be given any role in that league.

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Not trolling. Honest question.

17 points in 98 games is not impressive to me.

If he were close to a point per game forward, I would never have posted what I did.
Compare him with other young forward who played in the SEL.

Zibanejad : 13 pts in 26 games
MPS : 29 pts in 49 games
Jacob Josefson : 20 pts in 43 games
Marcus Johansson : 20 pts in 42 games

All first round pick. The SEL is a hard league to play in and while Collberg stats aren't that good I think we need to be careful.

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88 of those points came in his 2nd (34) and 3rd (54) years post-draft. If Collberg puts up around 30 points next year, he's following pretty much the same path.
That's the gist of my first post on this thread.

Collberg has not done anything yet and he is being hyped very very hard.

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That's the gist of my first post on this thread.

Collberg has not done anything yet and he is being hyped very very hard.
Like most of the first and second round pick.

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I'm really on the fence for Collberg. I don't think he's an extraordinary prospect but he has the potential to become pretty special (and no not ALL prospects have that property). His lack of points came from being Galchenyuk'd x 10000 on his SEL team. But I do want to see results in the AHL.

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All is about context. This year, with his 9 points in 35 games in the SEL, he was 29th in scoring for players under 24.

For players under 20, he was 6th/96, behind Lindholm (top10 pick this year), Karlsson (Anaheim second rounder, 20 yo), Niklas Jensen (2011 29th pick, 20 yo), Max Gortz (2011 #172 20 yo) and Viktor Arvidsson (20 years old). All of those players, excluding Lindholm, are 1 year older than him. For U19 players, he was 2th/46th.

To give you an idea of how hard it is to play that league as 18, only 14 18 years old played at least 1 game and only 4 more than 10 this year.

For allvenskan, since he played less game, we'll use ppg. He was 24th in the u24 group, 8th/95 in the u20 and 5/52 in the U19. Most of the guys on top of him are also highly touted prospects/players such as Landeskog, Forsberg, Burakowsky, De la Rose, Aberg, Wennberg.

This is why I am excited about him, even if I just have the posters here, a couple read here and there and boxscore scouting as an evaluation.
Lindholm is also not much younger than him, being a late birthday.

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That's the gist of my first post on this thread.

Collberg has not done anything yet and he is being hyped very very hard.
Link? Barely anybody mentions him in the media more than any of our other prospects. I wish there were people hyping him hard so he'd get more exposure for those who want to know more about him.

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Link? Barely anybody mentions him in the media more than any of our other prospects. I wish there were people hyping him hard so he'd get more exposure for those who want to know more about him.
Not media.

Here.

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Collberg will need to work on his explosion, agility and top speed to be a successful winger in the NHL. Right now, pretty much only his shot is NHL worthy.

As for the size, people live in the past conceptions that 6'0+ is tall. Not anymore. A 6'0 guy WILL look smallish on the ice (notice here I didn't say he could not be bulky at the same time). I would be surprised if the average height is under 6'2 to be honest.
Collberg is a very strong skater........and yes the average height is below 6'2

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Not media.

Here.
Oh you meant this prospect forum?


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If he doesn't pan out (which I think he will) we got a very good shootout specialist anyway

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Thanks for this reply. I was simply asking a question and did not realize that I would have offended so many people by asking it.

How would you compare him to Galchenyuk (yes, I know, Collberg is not a C) since Chuckie was able to play with a level of success at a similar age in the NHL while Collberg struggled playing in the SEL, a less physical League?
Well it's not really a fair comparison. I don't think I'm being too harsh by saying we're hoping Collberg becomes a good complementary scorer, while counting on Galchenyuk to become our franchise forward. I'm actually a bit more excited about Hudon's upside than Collberg's, but that might be because I've seen Hudon play more. Anyway, hopefully they all make it.

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Does he ever go forehand in the shootout?!?

Good to see him signed, want to see how he plays before coming to any conclusions.

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Oh you meant this prospect forum?


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Great video...to watch on mute

He seems to be a pretty fast skater to me.

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Great video...to watch on mute

He seems to be a pretty fast skater to me.
Why do people ruin these compilations with such horrendous music????

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That's the gist of my first post on this thread.

Collberg has not done anything yet and he is being hyped very very hard.
He's been good at the WJHC(13 points in 12 games) the last 2 years and played in the SEL as an 18 year old and put up respectable numbers. He has a legit chance to be a top 6 NHL forward.

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Not trolling. Honest question.

17 points in 98 games is not impressive to me.

If he were close to a point per game forward, I would never have posted what I did.
what a crazy thing to say. Why would anyone expect a ppg from an 18 year old in the SEL? It sounds more like you have very unrealistic expectations. To put it in prespective, Lars Eller played for Frolunda as an 18 year old, 14 games, 2 assists, -2. Granted it's different as Eller had never appeared in the SEL before that season and he turned 19 just as the season ended whereas Collberg did see half a season in the SEL as a 17 year old and 5 games in the SEL at age 16.

Also i'm not comparing the two as they are very different from what i've seen so far.

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Collberg's a fine prospect, but he's quickly becoming the most overhyped one in years. He's not a blue chipper by any means and some are talking about a shoe-in in the top 6.
Perhaps you are right but perhaps you are wrong. Collberg could easily be considered a blue chip prospect since it's going to fall under one's definition of what a blue chip prospect is. So definitions aside, yes Collberg could be one of the most overhyped prospects around here or maybe he's not overrated and is actually one of our top prospects. Personally I like him a lot and think he's going to be very good one day but i also haven't seen him a ton yet so I could easily be overrating him, time will tell. I would say he's a shoe in for the top 6 as well.

How did he look to you this season in the SEL and Hamilton?

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Collberg will need to work on his explosion, agility and top speed to be a successful winger in the NHL. Right now, pretty much only his shot is NHL worthy.

As for the size, people live in the past conceptions that 6'0+ is tall. Not anymore. A 6'0 guy WILL look smallish on the ice (notice here I didn't say he could not be bulky at the same time). I would be surprised if the average height is under 6'2 to be honest.
I don't think he needs to work on any of those, he seems explosive enough, good agility and top speed. In Hamilton he could turn the jets on quickly enough and his skating stood out as being very good imo. I think the main concerns with him will be how he handles the physcial aspects on the smaller ice, if he will be able to put points on the board against the boston like teams but also not hurt the team with his play in his own end as well. If he can play decent in his own end and is willing to pay the price to get the dirty goals in the NHL then I think he could end up at worst being a solid top 6 winger that can be a good bit of fun to watch.

Agreed on the size part, have always read posts here that have some strange viewpoints on height. For me it goes back to stats in general, they can be very misleading, some look at just see a player is 5'11 or 6'0, there's no real difference between them since there are so many factors at play, bad posture, some players end up more naturally hunched slightly, etc.... One prime thing I look at is lower body strength, which won't show up in the stats but if you lack lower body strength and the frame to add then it's a big concern to me going forward.

But the Habs have been called smurfs for as long as I have been at HF, so I can see why some want the bigger, stronger, tougher players which imo this is what it's really about for them. I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to see the Habs kick the crap out of boston and the leafs, in fact that's a common thing to want imo since it would always be a ton of fun to watch. But if you want to see the Habs get back to being a team that contends for the cup consistently, they are going to need better players which may or may not mean bigger/tougher/stronger. But that won't stop people from complaining about size or lack of.

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Thanks for this reply. I was simply asking a question and did not realize that I would have offended so many people by asking it.

How would you compare him to Galchenyuk (yes, I know, Collberg is not a C) since Chuckie was able to play with a level of success at a similar age in the NHL while Collberg struggled playing in the SEL, a less physical League?
It would be silly to compare the two since one is considered to be perhaps the best hockey player in his age group in the entire world. Galchenyuk has the ability to end up being something very special, Collberg doesn't have the same skill package as Gally can do it all at a high level.

I also wouldn't say that Collberg struggled in the SEL, I thought he had a great year overall.

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That's the gist of my first post on this thread.

Collberg has not done anything yet and he is being hyped very very hard.
Collberg should be hyped. You are at a site called hockeysfuture, everyone that follows hockey at least even somewhat closely would likely say that Hab fans are the most rabid in the league and likely the largest fan base out there which just compounds things. Collberg was a high 2nd round pick that was thought to be a 1st round pick and certainly 1st round talent. He's got a very good resume already and yet he's still in the early stages of his development.

Granted he could easily end up a bust as well, but the bigger question is why wouldn't you expect people to be excited about Collberg based on the above that he was highly ranked among Euro skaters last summer and hasn't done anything to show the scouts were wrong about him so far. Fans are expected to overhype their prospects, it's kind of how this thing works, and i'd say that goes for just about every fan base in every sport as it's human nature to want to see your favorite team improve.

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Well it's not really a fair comparison. I don't think I'm being too harsh by saying we're hoping Collberg becomes a good complementary scorer, while counting on Galchenyuk to become our franchise forward. I'm actually a bit more excited about Hudon's upside than Collberg's, but that might be because I've seen Hudon play more. Anyway, hopefully they all make it.
With Gally and Gallagher being full timers now, I am most interested in how the "big 3" of Kristo, Hudon and Collberg end up as I think highly of all 3. Hudon may be the most impressive of the group so far but he also has the biggest questions physically imo which makes it tougher to guess how he's going to handle the pros. Hudon looked the best of the 3 in Hamilton, not really fair for Collberg since it was his first time in North America and unlike the other two he was playing against men for much of the season and only got in 2 games in the AHL. Hudon is so creative that it's a treat to watch him, so excited to see what he can do once he turns pro, hopefully he can fill out some and the injuries don't hamper him.

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Perhaps you are right but perhaps you are wrong. Collberg could easily be considered a blue chip prospect since it's going to fall under one's definition of what a blue chip prospect is. So definitions aside, yes Collberg could be one of the most overhyped prospects around here or maybe he's not overrated and is actually one of our top prospects. Personally I like him a lot and think he's going to be very good one day but i also haven't seen him a ton yet so I could easily be overrating him, time will tell. I would say he's a shoe in for the top 6 as well.

How did he look to you this season in the SEL and Hamilton?
For starters, I don't think you're really saying much to begin with. And that's fine to say with reservations.

I honestly don't see how his play in the SEL is really relevant (even in the Allsvenskan), considering ice-time, role and the fact he's not playing in the same setting people are expecting him to excel in (North America, and the NHL, of course).

Hamilton doesn't really matter because of sample size. He's going to be hit a lot more, have much less time with the puck and play more games, so we'll see how he does over a long period of time. The flip side is we can't really judge what he has done negatively because of said sample size and adaptation period.

The whole point is that the guy is a very good prospect that hasn't made any significant mark. He's not on the Galchenyuk and Gallagher tier (when drawing comparison to what he can bring the organization in the short term), not yet.

He fell in the draft for a reason (I can't say I really know that much, I'm guessing size was a significant factor, but most likely other players rose while his stock stagnated or dropped, other teams preferred other players, etc.). It's not the first time a guy drops and does well, but we've had our share of guys that drop and are absolute steals at our position, only turn up to fall way short of expectations (Kostitsyn and Chipchura are notable examples).

The sentiment in this place is usually to massively overrate a guy when they see him speed his way around the ice and dangle the puck a bit. Pack in reports of offensive talent, add the European name, and boom, we got ourselves not only a steal, but a future (insert solid offensive European player). That's what bothers me. I guess Collberg has at least a decent draft position and resume to at least provide some kind of solid grounds to believe he's going to be very good. He's still not an elite level prospect, not yet.

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