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05-20-2013, 10:04 PM
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I have also heard the London Knights seem to have top prospects "fall" into their laps too. Is junior hockey a different beast behind closed doors that us regular joe fans know nothing about?

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I have also heard the London Knights seem to have top prospects "fall" into their laps too. Is junior hockey a different beast behind closed doors that us regular joe fans know nothing about?
When millions of dollars are at stake what do you honestly expect or think ?

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All the "big" teams will have an advantage over the smaller teams. The only thing that will save smaller teams are the guys that run them and their skill/luck at drafting players. Brandon has one in Kelly McCrimmon. I believe they have the most wins for a CHL team the past 15 years. They can't compete though with an Edmonton. Who can tempt kids because of the big city atmosphere and the close relationship of the NHL team. Brandon has 50,000 people in city and a dip of 250 season tickets last year really hurt the club. Do you think the Oil Kings care if they lose 250 season tickets?

Lets look at what a Memorial cup did for Brandon. It gave them money to upgrade there rink. New scoreboard,dressing rooms,gym and media area. It also gave them a nice influx of cash and recognition for kids who don't know anything about them. Consider if you pass on the "host" format now. A team like Brandon may or may not ever have that kind of windfall. Soon the Brandons,Swift Currents,Prince Alberts,Soo Greyhounds,Sudburys,Owen Sounds, Rimouski, and Shawinigans of the CHL will disappear.

As much as they are growing the game and they are, they are also killing the roots of it. I don't know about you but seeing London in the Memorial cup every year because they can get Max Domi to drop in the draft and sign guys like Zadorov and Maata AND get Americans like Stolaz to decommit and join just isn't fun for me.

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I'm annoyed by the notion that the Blades could make the Memorial Cup final having only won 2 playoff games all season.

I know having a host team is a no brainer considering there is only 3 major junior leagues in Canada.

However a best on best tournament with a team entering with 0 playoff wins doesn't sit well with me.

I wish there was a better way.

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05-21-2013, 11:08 PM
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I'm annoyed by the notion that the Blades could make the Memorial Cup final having only won 2 playoff games all season.

I know having a host team is a no brainer considering there is only 3 major junior leagues in Canada.

However a best on best tournament with a team entering with 0 playoff wins doesn't sit well with me.

I wish there was a better way.
I'm cheering for the Blades. It's a western team that's not the Portlamd Cheaterhawks. Plus, if they beat the others teams then they deserve it, in my view.

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I'm annoyed by the notion that the Blades could make the Memorial Cup final having only won 2 playoff games all season.

I know having a host team is a no brainer considering there is only 3 major junior leagues in Canada.

However a best on best tournament with a team entering with 0 playoff wins doesn't sit well with me.

I wish there was a better way.
You know the biggest sporting event in the world, the World Cup, has host teams that don't have to win anything to get in either and this is a 4 year long exhausting competition to get into.

It isn't something new. People just need to get over it.

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I have also heard the London Knights seem to have top prospects "fall" into their laps too. Is junior hockey a different beast behind closed doors that us regular joe fans know nothing about?
Yep.

I know the Q is extremely bad. The oldest trick in the book is to tell everyone you're going the US college route, teams wouldn't draft you early, and then come the 3rd or 4th round some team takes a flyer on the "hope" that they'll come to them. A week before training camp all of sudden the player will "make the decision to play in the Q" to come... even though it was decided long ago.

That's partly how Halifax got Nathan MacKinnon (MacKinnon didn't go to the Q draft, he was skating with a USHL team that day), except Baie Comeau called his bluff and drafted him first overall anyways, so Halifax had to trade for him.

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Calling the Winterhawks cheaters is pretty harsh when you are the Oil Kings. Kettle meet pot. Both are big city teams with money and connections using it to their advantage
How exactly are the Oil Kings cheating?

I dont see players consistently dropping in out of nowhere (like Portland every year). They suffered with a poor/expansion team and poor crowds for years before they were able to build a competitive team. The Wheat Kings have the best record over the last 15yrs (you said) so maybe it is them who are cheating?

That's a pretty loaded accusation to throw out there without any supporting evidence or even any circumstantial stuff to back up a claim like that.

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How exactly are the Oil Kings cheating?

I dont see players consistently dropping in out of nowhere (like Portland every year). They suffered with a poor/expansion team and poor crowds for years before they were able to build a competitive team. The Wheat Kings have the best record over the last 15yrs (you said) so maybe it is them who are cheating?

That's a pretty loaded accusation to throw out there without any supporting evidence or even any circumstantial stuff to back up a claim like that.
Is it cheating to use your Owner club to bring over Euros who may not come over anywhere else? I mean it happens everywhere. You got Sammeulsson for nothing. You got Corbett for nothing. Is that cheating or just playing the system? Don't worry though all the big money teams do it.

Really if you want to understand it better look the teams protected lists. Look at who Portland,Vancouver,Edmonton and Calgary protect. All top end NCAA bound players. They want to use their influence to lure them to play.

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Is it cheating to use your Owner club to bring over Euros who may not come over anywhere else? I mean it happens everywhere. You got Sammeulsson for nothing. You got Corbett for nothing. Is that cheating or just playing the system? Don't worry though all the big money teams do it.

Really if you want to understand it better look the teams protected lists. Look at who Portland,Vancouver,Edmonton and Calgary protect. All top end NCAA bound players. They want to use their influence to lure them to play.
Doesnt Brandon lure top end NCAA bound players?

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Doesnt Brandon lure top end NCAA bound players?
We sure as hell don't list them on the protected list after they have declared. We also don't have a NHL team that can make sure the Euro's come over either. Nor do we have an NHL rink. I mean all that makes a big difference.

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We sure as hell don't list them on the protected list after they have declared. We also don't have a NHL team that can make sure the Euro's come over either. Nor do we have an NHL rink. I mean all that makes a big difference.
How are any of those things cheating?

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How are any of those things cheating?
They caught the Hawks cheating. They paid the price for it to.

Oh look here

http://blogs.theprovince.com/2013/05...end-lou-nanne/

Just another big city team protecting a player no one would draft. Wonder if he will get his parents flown in for games too.

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05-23-2013, 03:19 PM
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To much banter about teams cheating. Lets talk about the product on the ice .How are our Oil Kings going to look next season? How will we fair with the rest of the Eastern Conf.?

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Is it cheating to use your Owner club to bring over Euros who may not come over anywhere else? I mean it happens everywhere. You got Sammeulsson for nothing. You got Corbett for nothing. Is that cheating or just playing the system? Don't worry though all the big money teams do it.

Really if you want to understand it better look the teams protected lists. Look at who Portland,Vancouver,Edmonton and Calgary protect. All top end NCAA bound players. They want to use their influence to lure them to play.
Didn't the OK's draft both Corbett and Samuelsson?

Not like the Winterhawks, who got Jones because he wouldn't play for Everett. Afaik, the Oil Kings have operated legitimately to date.

I don't necessarily disagree that there are advantages for higher profile teams, but I just don't get where you get that they're all cheating, specifically the Oil Kings.

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They caught the Hawks cheating. They paid the price for it to.

Oh look here

http://blogs.theprovince.com/2013/05...end-lou-nanne/

Just another big city team protecting a player no one would draft. Wonder if he will get his parents flown in for games too.
How is that cheating?

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05-26-2013, 07:00 PM
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I know that Canada had Nugent-Hopkins at the World Juniors but I have no clue as to why they used MacKinnon in a fourth line role. Ridiculous. This guy is dynamic and MONEY.

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Seth Jones is going to be an absolute monster in the NHL. What a talent.

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Holy **** that was soft defending.

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What a game.

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Seth Jones is going to be an absolute monster in the NHL. What a talent.
Probably, but I'd prefer McKinnon.

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Mackinnon reminds me of Hall, in the way he plays and the way dominates in important games

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Mackinnon reminds me of Hall, in the way he plays and the way dominates in important games
Me too. Kid's going to be a gamer.

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Speaking of Hall... is it just me or has his junior hockey dominance been forgotten about? Daren Millard was just raving on Twitter about how that was the most impressive Memorial Cup performance that he's ever seen from a single player (MacKinnon) and when they were talking about the best Memorial Cup tournament performances ever (before the game) his name wasn't even mentioned despite the fact that he owns two MVP trophies.

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Speaking of Hall... is it just me or has his junior hockey dominance been forgotten about? Daren Millard was just raving on Twitter about how that was the most impressive Memorial Cup performance that he's ever seen from a single player (MacKinnon) and when they were talking about the best Memorial Cup tournament performances ever (before the game) his name wasn't even mentioned despite the fact that he owns two MVP trophies.
To be fair, for them (sportsnet) to focus enough on Just the Tournament that was happening was kind of impressive, they usually phone it in much harder then they did.

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