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05-21-2013, 11:21 PM
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I don't see how it'll be someone who isn't on the roster today. I doubt they'll bring in a veteran "worthy" of being captain when if anything they'll be selling off veterans.
Well, to be clear, I really don't want anyone currently on the roster as captain. But, you're right, they'll probably name someone

I didn't like Pominville as captain, but I wasn't about to whine and cry for months about it. And the same with the next captain if it's someone on today's team. I won't like it, but I'm not going to whine and cry about it for more than a day



Who's a player we want traded in 2-3 years? Name him captain. That's usually how it works.

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05-21-2013, 11:45 PM
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Tough call no one stands out but I think Vanek and Ehrhoff are the only players I would have no qualms with. Probably prefer Vanek because of his history of success here, and who knows maybe it will bump up his trade value a smidge?

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05-22-2013, 01:58 AM
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There's a part of me that would be okay with Ehrhoff wearing it. There is a part of me that would be okay with Vanek wearing it, provided he extends. I have come off of the Ott wagon for reasons stated above.

Really, there isn't an unquestionable choice. I've heard this song before....

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05-22-2013, 02:18 AM
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My choice is Ehrhoff.

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05-22-2013, 02:28 AM
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Vanek, if he is re-signed. And I hope he does. Weber is actually an interesting suggestion. He's been fighting for position every year to get on this team and was voted unsung hero. But I would like to see him being a true regular on the team for atleast another year before I'm ready to make him a captain. Ott? No. For reasons stated.

If the captain is someone brought in, who could it be? There's been speculation that Philly may want to buy out Briere. Just sayin'.

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05-22-2013, 04:22 AM
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Ehrhoff and it isn't even close. Guy stands up for team mates and plays well.... those two are needed imho.

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05-22-2013, 08:49 AM
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What's Craig Rivet doing these days.

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Would be a really bad choice IMO. Dedication and drive have been two of his biggest problems throughout his career. I want a captain that has those traits in their DNA, and doesnt have to work on improving it each year.

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Would be a really bad choice IMO. Dedication and drive have been two of his biggest problems throughout his career. I want a captain that has those traits in their DNA, and doesnt have to work on improving it each year.
I think whoever posted that was being sarcastic.

I don't think anyone on this team has good captain qualities. Leave it to a player's vote. Personally, I'd go with

C: Hoff
A: Ott
A: Vanek

or give all three of them a's

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05-22-2013, 09:48 AM
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Give it to Vanek because (a) who cares and (b) maybe it'll increase his trade value nominally.

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05-22-2013, 10:23 AM
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I don't understand the people calling for Ehrhoff. Seems like he'd be another Pominville, lead by example guy. Unless you liked Pominville as captain.

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I don't understand the people calling for Ehrhoff. Seems like he'd be another Pominville, lead by example guy. Unless you liked Pominville as captain.
Vanek isn't exactly the rah-ray guy for which many Sabres fans are pining to be their captain.

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05-22-2013, 10:49 AM
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Major leadership void on this team -- still.

It feels like Martin Sheen crossing over the Du Long bride in Apocolypse Now:

Sheen: "Who's in charge here?"

Soldier: "Aren't you?"

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Vanek isn't exactly the rah-ray guy for which many Sabres fans are pining to be their captain.
Is there anybody on the current roster that Sabres fans would actually want as a captain (vs picking the least awful of a bunch of crappy options)? Probably not. Ott no because a big part of his game is running his mouth, and everyone else no because they're either not mature enough, not good enough, or don't show the kind of heart fans want to see.

I'm with whoever said somebody we want to see traded in 2 years.

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05-22-2013, 10:52 AM
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I don't understand the people calling for Ehrhoff. Seems like he'd be another Pominville, lead by example guy. Unless you liked Pominville as captain.
Perfect analogy. Desperation sometimes breeds innovation.

Then again, sometimes desperation just wreaks of desperation!

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05-22-2013, 10:56 AM
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Vanek isn't exactly the rah-ray guy for which many Sabres fans are pining to be their captain.
I get the feeling that Vanek will call guys out for lackluster play. I think Paul Hamilton said this before on one of his thousands of interviews that I've heard but I could be wrong.

The point is we need accountability coming internally from the players in the room. I also remember hearing that Ott dressed down guys badly for their play a few times. You get a respected performer like Vanek as Captain and then Ott and his buddy Weber enforcing accountability- that's the kind of leadership group you need IMO. I get the sense that Pominville was too nice to be mean to anyone and with Ehrhoff having a cultural/language barrier thing it would be the same way. Of course this is just the sense I get from listening to the thousands of aforementioned Paul Hamilton interviews and I could be way off base on these guys.

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I get the feeling that Vanek will call guys out for lackluster play. I think Paul Hamilton said this before on one of his thousands of interviews that I've heard but I could be wrong.

The point is we need accountability coming internally from the players in the room. I also remember hearing that Ott dressed down guys badly for their play a few times. You get a respected performer like Vanek as Captain and then Ott and his buddy Weber enforcing accountability- that's the kind of leadership group you need IMO. I get the sense that Pominville was too nice to be mean to anyone and with Ehrhoff having a cultural/language barrier thing it would be the same way. Of course this is just the sense I get from listening to the thousands of aforementioned Paul Hamilton interviews and I could be way off base on these guys.
Why is Vanek given the Captaincy, while others (ott/weber) get the role of holding people accountable?

What does Vanek bring to the Captaincy?

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We are in a rebuilding phase... there will need to be a new leadership group that emerges down the line (among the youth movement)... but in the meantime we need veterans who hold the team accountable...

C : Weber
A : Vanek
A : Ott

hoping that someone from the following group emerges as a future Captain down the line....Hodgson, Myers, Foligno, Girgensons, McCabe

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05-22-2013, 12:27 PM
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Why is Vanek given the Captaincy, while others (ott/weber) get the role of holding people accountable?

What does Vanek bring to the Captaincy?
Well as I said above I think Vanek will hold people accountable too.

I like Vanek as the captain because he's a long tenured, successful player who has earned respect around the league. I like Ott as the guy enforcing discipline on the team but I think he's a little too much of a troll to be representing the team as captain. Or to put it another way, I don't want him toning down that part of his game (licking players in the faceoff circle) because he's captain.

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05-22-2013, 01:01 PM
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I guess I impose what I'd want and what I wouldn't need from a C on my team. All I need is a guy that leads by example and puts it all out on the ice, plays through pain and still performs. I don't need rah-rah stuff, and the only talk I'd want is to tell slackers to get their stuff together...but I could/would do that myself so...

Anyway, that image I have is very close to Vanek, but there's no point in selecting Vanek if he actually wants out. If he goes, then if Weber continues his upslide on the ice he is the same image as Vanek. Plays hard, through pain, can lead by example, and maybe (just guessing) has a more vocal attitude than Vanek that some players (not people like me though) would need. I'm just not sure Weber has enough clout just yet, but I've liked him since day one (been very aggravated with Ruff benching him) and think he can be "the man" eventually.

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05-22-2013, 01:38 PM
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Who's a player we want traded in 2-3 years? Name him captain. That's usually how it works.
Sooo... Leino?

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05-22-2013, 01:45 PM
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Weber (sign him to a 3 year deal), his captaincy would be a transition phase til one of the younglings emerges (Myers, Hodgson, Foligno)

Vanek should be traded
I love Ott, but he needs to continue towing that line... which isn't what I want from the Captain
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Wasn't this already beaten to death....with the current roster anyway?

As many have already said---and I agree---Ott is a great energy guy, but waaaaay too much of a loud-mouth agitator to be a "C". You can't be a (for lack of a better term) goofball and also be captain.

And Vanek? Pfffft. Way too introspective and solemn. I think if he was captain, he'd be more likely to beat himself up than anyone else---and throw himself into a locker for not pulling his own weight.

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The funny part about all of this is that there is no "ideal" situation. There's no stand-out leader, no clear-cut choice. We're basically stuck with secondary options (at best) and left-field options (Weber).

I'm not endorsing Ott over ANYONE, I just don't see why Vanek get's the "C" because he scores the most goals.

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