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05-23-2013, 01:05 PM
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The Bruins must be shaking in their boots with these lineup additions
Asham should be getting increased playing time, but the master has chosen to scratch him


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I'm with the consensus here. Asham being scratched is baffling. Richards went from one of my favorite players from last year's team to ****. Don't let the door hit you, Richards.

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05-23-2013, 01:11 PM
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Wait, so who is in for Beaver/Asham?

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05-23-2013, 01:17 PM
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Ridiculous. 4th line minutes, people expect him to produce. 100 points in 128 regular season games. Best player for us in the post season last year.

I get it. He looks terrible. I completely understand that. But a lot of other players *cough* Nash *cough* have gotten a free pass from the fans and coaching staff.

Richards has 1 goal playing 6-7 minutes 5-on-5 a game. Nash has 1 goal playing 15-15 minutes 5-on-5 a game.
Are you seriously defending Richards? It is not that he looks terrible. It is that he has been terrible. No one is saying Nash has been great -- in fact he's been pretty mediocre to bad and needs to be a lot better. But if you think their play in the playoffs (or this season for that matter) is anywhere near on the same level, you're out of your mind.

Even playing as poorly as he has been, Nash has had loads more chances than Richie has, and has actually created offense. Nash worked hard to get assists on and make the plays leading to several crucial goals - the game winner in game 3 of the Caps series and the first goal in game one of this series (not to mention scoring the second game tying goal in game 2). Richie has been a black hole offensively, and the only point he has all playoffs was absolutely gifted to him by Holtby (and, by the way, the actual work that forced the error on that play was done by Pyatt and Hagelin; Richie was just along for the ride).

EDIT: I should also add, the TOI excuse only goes so far when you're being paid $6.7 mil and expected to be a 1C. Richie was getting plenty of minutes in the first 5 games of the Caps series. He did nothing. Since then he has been averaging around 10 to 11 minutes per game. Guess what? Pyatt and Asham have both had far less TOI in the playoffs thus far and have 2 goals to Richie's 1, and done more for the team when they played.

I am perfectly fine with this decision to scratch him; though depressed that it just drives the point home that Richie seems to be turning into yet another disappointing UFA signing from Sather.


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This basically confirms Richards will be an amnesty buyout. And Tortorella likely won't make it past this upcoming weekend.
Where are you getting that this scratch means that Torts will be fired? What? How does that logic make sense?

Back to Richie:

I'm perfectly fine with scratching him, but I actually don't think that it is a good idea to buyout Richards this summer - despite his dog **** play this year - unless there is a solid plan in place for who they are looking to replace him with. I'm not seeing any options out there, and severely doubt that Sather has any sort of plan in the works. Here is to hoping he proves me wrong.

In my mind, it is better at this point to hope this year was a fluke that came about from the lockout shortened season and that he returns at least close to form next year. If that doesn't happen, buy him out next summer.


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Torts isn't getting fired, barring some catastrophe next season, until at least after 13-14. Get it out of your heads.

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05-23-2013, 01:23 PM
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Am I the only one who would like the door to hit Richards on the way out?

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Are you seriously defending Richards? It is not that he looks terrible. It is that he has been terrible. No one is saying Nash has been great -- in fact he's been pretty mediocre to bad and needs to be a lot better. But if you think their play in the playoffs (or this season for that matter) is anywhere near on the same level, you're out of your mind.

Even playing as poorly as he has been, Nash has had loads more chances than Richie has, and has actually created offense. Nash worked hard to get assists on and make the plays leading to several crucial goals - the game winner in game 3 of the Caps series and the first goal in game one of this series (not to mention scoring the second game tying goal in game 2). Richie has been a black hole offensively, and the only point he has all series was absolutely gifted to him by Holtby (and, by the way, the actual work that forced the error on that play was done by Pyatt and Hagelin; Richie was just along for the ride).

I am perfectly fine with this decision to scratch him; though depressed that it just drives the point home that Richie seems to be turning into yet another disappointing UFA signing from Sather.




Where are you getting that this scratch means that Torts will be fired? What? How does that logic make sense?

Back to Richie:

I'm perfectly fine with scratching him, but I actually don't think that it is a good idea to buyout Richards this summer - despite his dog **** play this year - unless there is a solid plan in place for who they are looking to replace him with. I'm not seeing any options out there, and severely doubt that Sather has any sort of plan in the works. Here is to hoping he proves me wrong.

In my mind, it is better at this point to hope this year was a fluke that came about from the lockout shortened season and that he returns at least close to form next year. If that doesn't happen, buy him out next summer.
He's been replaced by Stepan and Brassard, both have provided quite a bit more at a fraction of the cost. We don't need to sign another big ticket center, let Brass and Stepan split the 1st and 2nd line duties and sign an upgrade at 3rd line C if anything. Why throw more money at an issue that has all but been fixed internally, maybe we could get a point man for the PP.

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Not sure why Asham is scratched

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He's been replaced by Stepan and Brassard, both have provided quite a bit more at a fraction of the cost. We don't need to sign another big ticket center, let Brass and Stepan split the 1st and 2nd line duties and sign an upgrade at 3rd line C if anything. Why throw more money at an issue that has all but been fixed internally, maybe we could get a point man for the PP.
I fully expect Miller or Lindberg to fill that spot next season, and excel. Lindberg was being talked about as a SEL MVP this season, he really is underrated around here. He's going to turn heads like Stepan did his first year here.

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Am I the only one who would like the door to hit Richards on the way out?
Nope.

I'll probably get crap for this, but I wish Richards nothing but the worst.

I have never despised a player more.

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05-23-2013, 01:37 PM
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unless there is a solid plan in place for who they are looking to replace him with. I'm not seeing any options out there, and severely doubt that Sather has any sort of plan in the works. Here is to hoping he proves me wrong.
His name is Derek Brassard.

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Nope.

I'll probably get crap for this, but I wish Richards nothing but the worst.

I have never despised a player more.
****ing seriously? He's a human being, a hockey player who plays for a team you root for, seems to have gotten old, and has some serious struggles, and you hate him for it.

What a ****ing joke.

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Nope.

I'll probably get crap for this, but I wish Richards nothing but the worst.

I have never despised a player more.
That hate should be directed at the management who signed him.

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05-23-2013, 01:54 PM
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****ing seriously? He's a human being, a hockey player who plays for a team you root for, seems to have gotten old, and has some serious struggles, and you hate him for it.

What a ****ing joke.
Yeah because if I see Brad Richards in public I'm going to spit on him. I also hope he loses an arm in a freak accident as well.

Take it easy.

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That hate should be directed at the management who signed him.
Not really. The Rangers weren't the only team going after him. The Rangers also aren't the ones making him play awfully. Richards is the reason why Richards sucks.

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He's been replaced by Stepan and Brassard, both have provided quite a bit more at a fraction of the cost. We don't need to sign another big ticket center, let Brass and Stepan split the 1st and 2nd line duties and sign an upgrade at 3rd line C if anything. Why throw more money at an issue that has all but been fixed internally, maybe we could get a point man for the PP.
I think this is wishful thinking. I really don't expect Brassard to maintain the level of play he has since he got here next season. His entire career has been full of inconsistent play staggered with bursts of brilliance. I've been warning since the trade, that though I liked it, people needed to temper their expectations. In a 2/3C tweener role, he's been great. Assuming he can be a good, exclusively 2C after just 23 games is a big leap.

And though I think Stepan may have a better shot at maintaining his performance next year than Brassard does, I also am not convinced that he comes back and replicates a near point per game pace next year. He's still developing, so who knows - but I think it is a huge risk to take to rely on him to continue this... He basically doubled the point pace he put up in any other season; that is a huge jump. It is also a contract year for him. Dubinsky's contract year ringing any bells? For the record: I don't think Step will regress like Dubi did after his contract, but I'm not convinced he is now a permanent ppg player based on one half season.

Understand, I'm not saying either are bad players -- I just think this is the kind of **** our fanbase (and our GM) does way too often: overrate players based on a limited sample size and some recent good performance. Kreider had a nice playoffs last year, and everyone - including our GM it seems - was slotting him into the lineup this year. He ends up not replicating that, and suddenly we're up ****'s creek with an unbalanced roster and missing pieces that need to be added at the deadline.

Bringing all this back to Richie though -- On one hand, I'm not terribly confident that he can rebound next year. On the other, I think it is reasonable that he may have been thrown off by a lockout shortened season and can at least partially rebound next year. In the end, I think it may be better to take that chance than to rely on Stepan and Brassard to continue the far and away best performances of their careers so far and getting a 3/4C. You've still got the option to buy him out next offseason.

At the very least, I'd like to know Sather has a plan - which I am not confident he does - for what to do to fill the hole in the lineup if he buys out Richards. I'm not saying he should go out and get another high-priced UFA (please god, Glen, don't go after Ribeiro), but I'm not confident that this team will be competitive with 1C: Stepan, 2C: Brassard, 3/4C: ??? 3/4C: Boyle. Seems like playing with fire.


Edit: It should also be noted, that Brassard has a sh % well above his career average since joining the Rangers (and a ridiculous sh% of 20% in the 13 regular season games he played with NYR). Stepan, likewise, has a sh% a decent amount higher than either of the other two full seasons he has played in the NHL. Just something to keep in mind.


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That hate should be directed at the management who signed him.
To be fair, most people with a brain knew this contract would bite the NYR at some point...just not less than 2 years into it. It was a calculated risk to add a skilled player w/ experience for a stretch of 3-5 years, hence the front-loaded $$.

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Torts isn't getting fired, barring some catastrophe next season, until at least after 13-14. Get it out of your heads.
i don't think it would need a catastrophe. if they're struggling like they did this season and are say around 10th place halfway through the season i can see him getting canned

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Yeah because if I see Brad Richards in public I'm going to spit on him. I also hope he loses an arm in a freak accident as well.

Take it easy.
...to be fair, you did say you wished him the worst. Woodchipper accidents involving limb loss is pretty much the worst.

Maybe I'm a little high-strung. It has been suggested.

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