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05-23-2013, 12:58 PM
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Exactly; I'm sick and tired of watching other playoff team move young players into their lineups seamlessly and live with whatever growing pains there are.
look at the Senators last year and this year... it seems like every rookie in the NHL has a great game vs NYR especially if it is their first NHL game.. dont NYR scout the opposition before they play them...??? this happens way too much

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Exactly; I'm sick and tired of watching other playoff team move young players into their lineups seamlessly and live with whatever growing pains there are.
Examples? I don't think there are many teams that would have played Kreider more than 23 games or Miller more than 26.

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What is the obsession on this forum with undersized C's who are average skaters? Haven't we gone through enough of those to know that with any kind of physical defense they are non factors?

The only C's I want on the rangers are those who either have size, or those who are special skaters. And obviously the great ones have both. Enough of the slow small guys
It is kind of amusing, isn't it? Don't understand how fans don't realize what it takes to compete and win in the playoffs! All I heard 5 months ago was,"We own the Bruins and Hank is lights out against them!" I replied, "That's the regular season guys!". "They would wipe us out in a playoff series!".

I really hate being right.

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Mark Streit would be the absolute perfect fit for this team.

My three keys for this offseason:
1. New coaching staff
2. Pursue a trade of (ideally) Girardi or MDZ
3. Dump Richards and allocate the money to Streit

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look at the Senators last year and this year... it seems like every rookie in the NHL has a great game vs NYR especially if it is their first NHL game.. dont NYR scout the opposition before they play them...??? this happens way too much
This is an organizational problem and it just didn't develop overnight. I know the popular opinion around here is that we've been drafting better since Gordon got involved in 2007(??) but we still have a long way to go!

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05-23-2013, 01:08 PM
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Examples? I don't think there are many teams that would have played Kreider more than 23 games or Miller more than 26.
Then I have to assume that you have an issue with our drafting because we can't seem to either draft and /or develop players quick and efficiently enough for them to make the transition to the roster.
I don't have an issue with Miller(especially bc he's only 20 yrs old) but Krieder just hasn't developed as quickly as most of us thought he would.

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05-23-2013, 01:10 PM
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Then I have to assume that you have an issue with our drafting because we can't seem to either draft and /or develop players quick and efficiently enough for them to make the transition to the roster.
I don't have an issue with Miller(especially bc he's only 20 yrs old) but Krieder just hasn't developed as quickly as most of us thought he would.
That's because it takes time for players to develop. As Ranger fans, we aren't used to this notion because they haven't been developing their own talent for very long.

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That's because it takes time for players to develop. As Ranger fans, we aren't used to this notion because they haven't been developing their own talent for very long.
Good point actually but why is it that the Black Hawks picked Brandon Saad 43rd in the 2011 draft and we picked Miller 15th and Saad fit into their lineup seamlessly on the 1st line and is a Calder candidate??

Opps, I forgot that Stan Bowman is their GM while we have the senile old fool on a lifetime contract!

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Mark Streit would be the absolute perfect fit for this team.

My three keys for this offseason:
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3. Dump Richards and allocate the money to Streit
Have to say it'd be a damn nice D corps with Streit and a healthy Staal.

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Good point actually but why is it that the Black Hawks picked Brandon Saad 43rd in the 2011 draft and we picked Miller 15th and Saad fit into their lineup seamlessly on the 1st line and is a Calder candidate??

Opps, I forgot that Stan Bowman is their GM while we have the senile old fool on a lifetime contract!
So what you are saying is, the Blackhawks even didn't think he was that good because they didn't take him with their 1st rounder?

That means 42 teams passed on him. There were serious concerns about him in his draft year. Could we say the same thing about Stepan? How many teams missed on him? Hagelin?

You can do that with pretty much every team in the league.

Also, Saad plays with Toews, Kane, Sharp and Hossa. That must be rough.

There isn't a set amount of time for players to develop. Detroit lets their players develop in the AHL and dominate before bringing them up. Some teams are okay bringing them up and living with their bumps. Some players are more NHL ready right away but don't have the ceiling of others who take longer to develop.

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these are the type of players NYR should go after. guys with speed. snarl and size...

UFA: sign Bryan Bickell (3 years 2.5 per year) (rangers need more size especially up front)..
UFA: sign Weiss (3 year deal 4.0 per year)
UFA: sign Nathan Horton (4 year 4.5 per year) Rangers need some much needed size in top 6.
UFA: sign Chad Larose (3 year 2.5 per year) rangers need some speed up front as well..
UFA: sign Ryan Jones (3 year 2.0 per year) upgrades the bottom 6
UFA: sign Scott Hannan (2 year 2.5 per year)

rangers dont need guys like no offense players like Boyd Gordon or a small soft forward like MacArthur.. rangers need size on the wings...
how about no major turnover for once

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Good point actually but why is it that the Black Hawks picked Brandon Saad 43rd in the 2011 draft and we picked Miller 15th and Saad fit into their lineup seamlessly on the 1st line and is a Calder candidate??

Opps, I forgot that Stan Bowman is their GM while we have the senile old fool on a lifetime contract!
Saad is one of two players drafted after Miller who has played in more NHL games. The other was drafted as an over-ager.

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Good point actually but why is it that the Black Hawks picked Brandon Saad 43rd in the 2011 draft and we picked Miller 15th and Saad fit into their lineup seamlessly on the 1st line and is a Calder candidate??

Opps, I forgot that Stan Bowman is their GM while we have the senile old fool on a lifetime contract!


Yup. It has nothing to do with Saad playing with some combination of Toews, Kane, Hossa, and Sharp. Nothing.

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Exactly, special skaters. And I don't think they lack toughness on the back end. McD is tough as heck. Staal is very strong presence when he's healthy. Girardi hits and can hold his own.

It's the rest of the D that gets a bit soft, Moore has the size to become more tough. But MDZ, stralman, never going to be that physical. But I'm not sure if that's really needed.

The rangers are getting pummeled right now by a team with who on defense? Chara and a bunch of kids.

This idea that many here have that the rangers need like 15 top 4 DMen is looney. They need 4 top 4 DMen. Staal, girardi, McD, and whoever the 4th is. Trade the rest for offensive players.
The Rangers are tough on D in the sense that they can block alot of shots. I don't look at Staal, McD or Girardi as overly physical players. In fact I seen them get out muscled in front of Hank quite often.

What I think that this team lacks more than anything that relates to toughness is that grit factor. That will and determination to go to and stay in the areas of the ice where you have to consistently battle for position.

I look at the Rangers forwards, save a few players, as a very perimeter team content with playing a very perimeter game. I also see that from the Defence.

To me, this is not a stiff team to play against.

More often than not I see this team opting to stick check or worse, peel back rather than take the man out.

There's a reason they drafted McIlrath over Tarasenko and a slew of other players.


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They questioned Saad's toolbox not his tools.

Guess scouts were the dummies, cause he's showing exactly what I watched when he was with the US program and in CHL, fast, solid, takes advantage of opportunities

But lets remember, one season. Not even a full one.

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They questioned Saad's toolbox not his tools.

Guess scouts were the dummies, cause he's showing exactly what I watched when he was with the US program and in CHL, fast, solid, takes advantage of opportunities

But lets remember, one season. Not even a full one.
Exactly. Was there not a worry about his attitude as well?

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Mark Streit would be the absolute perfect fit for this team.

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Mark Streit is washed up and can't skate anymore. Just what the doctor ordered.

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Exactly. Was there not a worry about his attitude as well?
I forget exactly, just that he was not the sharpest of tacks

Immaturity comes in many forms, the scouts see many guys each year and a some of their analysis is flawed by comparing the best of the dozens/hundreds they talk to with the worst of the lot. I get the idea the old guard is hardest to please in this area, while the younger guys in the game are a bit more tuned in.

I admit it ain't easy. But come on, seems like more talented players are being judged on their future personality rather than the future of the talent.

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Yup. It has nothing to do with Saad playing with some combination of Toews, Kane, Hossa, and Sharp. Nothing.
Rangers should get some players like those so they can play their draftees with them. Just have make a good trade for a player before he breaks out. Draft 1st and 3rd overall in consecutive years and not mess it up. Sign a really truly talented player to an extremely long contract and have him be good for at least the first couple years of it.

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I think we learned our lesson about roster turnover.

I would trade Staal OR Del Zotto and Hagelin for Bobby Ryan. Adds some physicality and goal scoring to our top six. Let Clowe walk. I'm a little scared about his future health. After buying out Richards, we're also going to need a 3C. 4th round pick for Roy's rights. Then a 3rd for Kundratek.

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I think we learned our lesson about roster turnover.

I would trade Staal OR Del Zotto and Hagelin for Bobby Ryan. Adds some physicality and goal scoring to our top six. Let Clowe walk. I'm a little scared about his future health. After buying out Richards, we're also going to need a 3C. 4th round pick for Roy's rights. Then a 3rd for Kundratek.

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Bobby Ryan has been an enigma with the Ducks this season.

That lineup may be the softest team in the NHL.

Moore-Kundratek is a disaster pairing in the making. Both players have very little experience.

JT Miller and Chris Kreider aren't NHL ready players and need more time it seems. Both are slotted in line 1 and line 3 respectively, a recipe for disaster.

This is why I feel the team should blow it up and start a scorched earth rebuild. Too many holes to fix.

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I think we learned our lesson about roster turnover.

I would trade Staal OR Del Zotto and Hagelin for Bobby Ryan. Adds some physicality and goal scoring to our top six. Let Clowe walk. I'm a little scared about his future health. After buying out Richards, we're also going to need a 3C. 4th round pick for Roy's rights. Then a 3rd for Kundratek.

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McDonagh-Girardi
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why do fans want to bring in a player that requested a trade?? why would he want to come back here....Kundtratek for Bouchard and then a 3rd for Kundratek he isnt much of an upgrade over Eminger or Bickel.....

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why do fans want to bring in a player that requested a trade?? why would he want to come back here....Kundtratek for Bouchard and then a 3rd for Kundratek he isnt much of an upgrade over Eminger or Bickel.....
Because he is great on the PP. He was traded IIRC because he wasn't developing as well as he should have in our system, he was unhappy, and so was Slats.

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Bobby Ryan has been an enigma with the Ducks this season.

That lineup may be the softest team in the NHL.

Moore-Kundratek is a disaster pairing in the making. Both players have very little experience.

JT Miller and Chris Kreider aren't NHL ready players and need more time it seems. Both are slotted in line 1 and line 3 respectively, a recipe for disaster.

This is why I feel the team should blow it up and start a scorched earth rebuild. Too many holes to fix.
Chicago had Saad on the top line and Shaw at 3C.

And how is a lineup with Nash, Callahan, Miller, Ryan, Kreider, Staal, Girardi, Boyle, Pyatt, and Dorsett the softest in the NHL? There is ample physicality and grit in that team.

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Chicago had Saad on the top line and Shaw at 3C.

And how is a lineup with Nash, Callahan, Miller, Ryan, Kreider, Staal, Girardi, Boyle, Pyatt, and Dorsett the softest in the NHL? There is ample physicality and grit in that team.
It is pretty soft. Ryan and Nash are (2) of the softer big guys out there.

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