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04-29-2013, 04:46 PM
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If Holmgren stays by his word, Laviolette will be on a very, very short lease.

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Well Vigneault has been added to the decent pool of coaching candidates...but unfortunately many of them won't be around come Dec when Lavi gets canned

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Eakins is available now. Laviolette should be gone.

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Usually i'd applaud the intention to strive for stability, but Laviolette really struggles unless he's got the perfect team in front of him.

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Well Vigneault has been added to the decent pool of coaching candidates...but unfortunately many of them won't be around come Dec when Lavi gets canned
Vigneault would certainly be an interesting choice. I'd actually have no problems if he were brought on board as an assistant and be given the chore of fixing the defensive issues that plague this club. I could also see guys like Giroux, Couturier and Laughton really thriving under Vigneault (people can say what they want, but Vigneault did a fantastic job with the Sedins and Kesler). The other thing about bringing Vigneault on board is that he's your replacement should they decide to get rid of Laviolette. Could be worth a call anyways and see if he's interested in coming on board...

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Vigneault would certainly be an interesting choice. I'd actually have no problems if he were brought on board as an assistant and be given the chore of fixing the defensive issues that plague this club. I could also see guys like Giroux, Couturier and Laughton really thriving under Vigneault (people can say what they want, but Vigneault did a fantastic job with the Sedins and Kesler). The other thing about bringing Vigneault on board is that he's your replacement should they decide to get rid of Laviolette. Could be worth a call anyways and see if he's interested in coming on board...
Lavy isn't John Stevens. You aren't going to bring on his replacement to his own staff. Also, I am sure AV has earned enough cred not to take an asst position.

I think Lavy surprises people next season and has the team playing a more structured game. I don't mean conservative or defensive but better at executing breakouts and back checking.

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I think Lavy surprises people next season and has the team playing a more structured game. I don't mean conservative or defensive but better at executing breakouts and back checking.
im going to disagree, and fully suspect Lavi will run this team EXACTLY the same way he has since he arrived.

ala no changes: attack,attack,attack, if in doubt attack some more...

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05-23-2013, 06:44 PM
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im going to disagree, and fully suspect Lavi will run this team EXACTLY the same way he has since he arrived.

ala no changes: attack,attack,attack, if in doubt attack some more...
Gotta love posts like this... Laviolette has run the left wing lock religiously since he's come here. The notion that he "doesn't preach defense" is total ********. While it's not the strength of his system, there's not any coach in the league who totally throws out defense the way somebody would be led to believe that Lavy does. They would be jobless

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I'm joining the "Lavi will be gone by December" crowd. I like Murray as an AHL coach but I don't want see him at the NHL level so hopefully they have someone else in mind just in case.

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Gotta love posts like this... Laviolette has run the left wing lock religiously since he's come here. The notion that he "doesn't preach defense" is total ********. While it's not the strength of his system, there's not any coach in the league who totally throws out defense the way somebody would be led to believe that Lavy does. They would be jobless
Yeah, his system was fine defensively when the Flyers were arguably the best defensive team in the league for parts of two seasons. I think the problem now is, there aren't many forwards who are as strong 2-way players, and that Pronger guy isn't playing. The forwards make a lot of dumb decisions in their own end at times.

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If Holmgren stays by his word, Laviolette will be on a very, very short lease.
Because if there's one thing Paul Holmgren is good for, it's telling the truth.

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If the young forwards make the strides I expect them to defensively next season, and they can find a way to get a better dynamic on the blue line, I fully expect the team to regain competence defensively. So much of the problem was positioning when people got running around, usually as a result of the lack of personnel that can properly break the team out of their zone. I think there will be improvements from the forwards by experience and the second thing is up to Holmgren to fix.

Basically, I don't think there's a problem with the way Laviolette has the team playing. The personnel issues were glaring more troublesome

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05-28-2013, 12:26 PM
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If Lavi is gone, I hope Homer goes with him.
We can not run Lavi's scheme with the players Homer drafts and signs.
If Lavi fails it's because of Homer.
He selected Lavi and drafted and signed the FA.
He should know better what he needs in players.

Lavi tried to dumb down the offense to fit the personnel but,
it failed until we were out of the playoffs.

When the pressure was off, then this team played decent defense.
With backups running the defense it was better.

Either our starting defense was all injured and still playing or they are overrated.

My opinion is that the composition of our defense is wrong.
Not enough PMD to run this offense.

Wrong personnel for this scheme.
Homer Fail !!!

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05-29-2013, 12:42 PM
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If Lavi is gone, I hope Homer goes with him.
We can not run Lavi's scheme with the players Homer drafts and signs.
If Lavi fails it's because of Homer.
He selected Lavi and drafted and signed the FA.
He should know better what he needs in players.

Lavi tried to dumb down the offense to fit the personnel but,
it failed until we were out of the playoffs.

When the pressure was off, then this team played decent defense.
With backups running the defense it was better.

Either our starting defense was all injured and still playing or they are overrated.

My opinion is that the composition of our defense is wrong.
Not enough PMD to run this offense.

Wrong personnel for this scheme.
Homer Fail !!!

No ****. We've been saying that for forever. Although the line-up wasn't bad to start.

Coburn - Meszaros
Timonen - Schenn
Grossmann - I forgot.


And the first couple games they only surrendered like 3 even strength goals.

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Torts gets fired but Laviolette gets to keep his job. Doesn't seem right to me.

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Torts gets fired but Laviolette gets to keep his job. Doesn't seem right to me.
The only reason they got into the playoffs was because of Lundy. Flyers were all over the place this year, placing blame on a lot of people, instead of really just one.

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Sather traded away too many of the players who really made the Rangers tick, and for players not really meant for Tort's style.

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Sather traded away too many of the players who really made the Rangers tick, and for players not really meant for Tort's style.
I think Clowe and Dorsett are.
you gotta wonder what they do with Richards now. Torts was the only reason he signed in NY (against the advice of his agent) do they bring in a guy who opens up the system and gives the underachieving forwards time to show what they can do?
AV makes to much sense for NY.

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I think Clowe and Dorsett are.
you gotta wonder what they do with Richards now. Torts was the only reason he signed in NY (against the advice of his agent) do they bring in a guy who opens up the system and gives the underachieving forwards time to show what they can do?
AV makes to much sense for NY.
I haven't seen enough of Dorsett to know, but Clowe definitely is. I think they would have been better off with Dubi and Anisimov though.

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I think Clowe and Dorsett are.
you gotta wonder what they do with Richards now. Torts was the only reason he signed in NY (against the advice of his agent) do they bring in a guy who opens up the system and gives the underachieving forwards time to show what they can do?
AV makes to much sense for NY.
I would have to imagine Richards is next to go. Here's their notable free agents for the next two summers:

2012-2013
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-Clowe (UFA)
-Hagelin (RFA)
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-Brassard (RFA)
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-Kreider (RFA)
-Girardi (UFA)
-Del Zotto (RFA)
-Lundqvist (UFA)

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I haven't seen enough of Dorsett to know, but Clowe definitely is. I think they would have been better off with Dubi and Anisimov though.
yeah they probably made a mistake dealing those 2 guys. but they probably dont get Nash.

the Nash deal did hurt their depth. but I thought they fixed that when they dealt Gaborik and traded for Clowe.

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yeah they probably made a mistake dealing those 2 guys. but they probably dont get Nash.

the Nash deal did hurt their depth. but I thought they fixed that when they dealt Gaborik and traded for Clowe.
They definitely helped the issue, but it didn't quite fill the hole.

Gabby was a weird fit on that team. He didn't match Torts at all, even though he did try...he's just not that kind of player. Yet it still didn't stop him from producing.

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Torts is a giant jerk but the Rangers failed because they have incredibly overrated talent. Besides Del Zotto, their defensemen don't move the puck well and Del Zotto make a lot of dumb decisions. Rck Nash is one of the most overrated players in he game, and Stepan and Callahan are good two way players, but are not natural goal scorers. Brad Rchards is old. And the King has one of the worst playoff overtime records of all time, through his team under the bus because of it, and just got his coach fired. Thank god Torts is gone because he owned he Flyers. That will come to an end.

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Thank god Torts is gone because he owned he Flyers. That will come to an end.
I hope that you're correct but watch what you wish for. There are some hard nosed players on that club. I admire the price that many of them pay on defense. They will be a tough team to beat. Then also the Flyers have Laviolette behind the bench.

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Torts is a giant jerk but the Rangers failed because they have incredibly overrated talent. Besides Del Zotto, their defensemen don't move the puck well and Del Zotto make a lot of dumb decisions. Rck Nash is one of the most overrated players in he game, and Stepan and Callahan are good two way players, but are not natural goal scorers. Brad Rchards is old. And the King has one of the worst playoff overtime records of all time, through his team under the bus because of it, and just got his coach fired. Thank god Torts is gone because he owned he Flyers. That will come to an end.
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