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05-22-2013, 04:05 PM
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Pessimistic?

Coyle, Brodin, and Zucker made the NHL. Those are our few guys who have panned out SO FAR. Everyone else is an incomplete.

Granlund, I'm happy for his success in Finland, but that doesn't spoil me. Men's league in Europe is not the NHL.

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05-22-2013, 04:07 PM
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Dumba needs another year in the CHL and then a year in the AHL. You can't take chances and hurt his development, this team needs to slowly develop their young players to be effective.

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You play the best player, plain and simple. If Dumba comes into camp and proves to be better than a current starter, i have no problem with him given a shot.

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05-22-2013, 05:27 PM
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You play the best player, plain and simple. If Dumba comes into camp and proves to be better than a current starter, i have no problem with him given a shot.
I am reminded of last off-season when people were wondering if Brodin had a spot on the Wild's defense.

Geez, if Dumba can't make the team, he ain't much of a prospect. Stoner, Falk, and Prosser have their good games, but they are mainly filler until bonafide players come in and take their jobs.

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05-22-2013, 05:33 PM
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Pessimistic?

Coyle, Brodin, and Zucker made the NHL. Those are our few guys who have panned out SO FAR. Everyone else is an incomplete.

Granlund, I'm happy for his success in Finland, but that doesn't spoil me. Men's league in Europe is not the NHL.
To be fair, if you disagree with the rosy sunshine, everything is okay, Fletcher knows what he is doing, they label you a pessimist.

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05-23-2013, 04:30 PM
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Well, having 2-3 prospects actually pan out and be promising isn't exactly spoiled. But Dumba doesn't look anywhere near ready for the NHL.
Nah but having 2-3 prospects pan out in one year and not just look good but great, is a bit spoiled.

Not to mention Kuemper as well.

In one season, we found a #2 defenseman, two top six forwards, and a goaltender with high potential. And that isn't including our top six forward in the making in Granlund.

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05-23-2013, 04:44 PM
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Kuemper's still a question mark to me. He had a couple good starts and a couple bad starts. Way too early.

It's unfortunate our brightest prospect was just so bad. I realize it's greedy to want an elite offensive guy, but that's what the Wild need. There's basically no chance they get one in the next few years without giving up some significant pieces.

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05-23-2013, 07:06 PM
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Kuemper's still a question mark to me. He had a couple good starts and a couple bad starts. Way too early.

It's unfortunate our brightest prospect was just so bad. I realize it's greedy to want an elite offensive guy, but that's what the Wild need. There's basically no chance they get one in the next few years without giving up some significant pieces.
This team took a couple steps forwards this year and then a few steps back. Getting Zucker, Coyle, and Brodin some NHL (and playoff) exp was huge. Granlund will get there.

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05-23-2013, 08:55 PM
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Do you guys see Granlund being a 1C eventually in the future? Or more of a 2-3C?

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05-23-2013, 08:59 PM
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Do you guys see Granlund being a 1C eventually in the future? Or more of a 2-3C?
He won't be a 3C, that's for sure. I wouldn't write him of as a 1C yet, but most likely he'll end up as 2C or a top-6 winger.

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05-24-2013, 12:18 AM
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I dont know if I seem him as a c at all.

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05-24-2013, 04:08 AM
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I dont know if I seem him as a c at all.
I don't either.

Coyle is still a question mark for me. He didn't look out of place on the top line but he'll need to pick up the offense. He's got the physical play down fine, it's the offense I'm concerned about.

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I dont know if I seem him as a c at all.
I do.. He is doing everything to get better.. Every day.. He will most likely end up as a winger but he is certainly not way off the C 1/2 spot in the future..Have a litle Patience as Axl Rose said so good in the 90's

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Brodin came in at #4 in hockey's future Calder Poll
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Brodin made a seamless transition from Sweden's Elite League to the NHL in his first season in North America. After skating in nine games for the AHL's Houston Aeros during the lockout, Brodin averaged over 23 minutes of ice time per game in 45 games for the Wild.

Consistent in all aspects of the game and able to transition seemingly effortlessly from the defensive zone to the attack, he scored two goals with nine assists while finishing +3 on a Wild team that was inconsistent at times. Minnesota finished second in the Northwest Division despite allowing more goals than it scored.

Playing alongside high profile free agent signee Ryan Suter for much of the season, Brodin is a key part of the core of young players that Minnesota is looking to build around for the future.

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I don't either.

Coyle is still a question mark for me. He didn't look out of place on the top line but he'll need to pick up the offense. He's got the physical play down fine, it's the offense I'm concerned about.
He needs to start handling the puck better imo, he seems to avoid touching it with his stick and just using his body to shield everyone from it.

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Do you guys see Granlund being a 1C eventually in the future? Or more of a 2-3C?
Middle six winger.

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He needs to start handling the puck better imo, he seems to avoid touching it with his stick and just using his body to shield everyone from it.
+1

I know he has puck skills but we need to see him start to make plays with the puck. He was able to win physical battles but still be ineffective along the boards.

Bruno is with the Wild now; get Bruno to show him how it's done.

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Middle six winger.
#4 ? I think he can crack the first line someday.

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Bruno would definitely be a good model for Coyle to follow. I would not mind having Coyle be the magnum version of Bruno at all.

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Kuemper's still a question mark to me. He had a couple good starts and a couple bad starts. Way too early.

It's unfortunate our brightest prospect was just so bad. I realize it's greedy to want an elite offensive guy, but that's what the Wild need. There's basically no chance they get one in the next few years without giving up some significant pieces.
Define "Elite"...

I'd say by certain definition guys like Parise and Pominville who are consistently 65 point+ players are elite. Now if we want a PPG player, well those only come around in the draft. And you have to have a lottery pick generally. And then not draft Benoit Pouliot with aforementioned lottery pick lol

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I don't either.

Coyle is still a question mark for me. He didn't look out of place on the top line but he'll need to pick up the offense. He's got the physical play down fine, it's the offense I'm concerned about.
Well I mean he hasn't played center since high school. Didn't in the QMJHL and didn't in College or the AHL.

So me either..last time he was a center was when he was drafted...

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Define "Elite"...

I'd say by certain definition guys like Parise and Pominville who are consistently 65 point+ players are elite. Now if we want a PPG player, well those only come around in the draft. And you have to have a lottery pick generally. And then not draft Benoit Pouliot with aforementioned lottery pick lol
Would probably be measured in standard deviations. There's a handful of players who set themselves apart from the group, usually they are PPG or better.

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Would probably be measured in standard deviations. There's a handful of players who set themselves apart from the group, usually they are PPG or better.
Yep understand you fully..Stamkos, Crosby, Tavares, Ovechkin, Malkin, etc..

Almost always a lottery pick. Not too many of those type of guys don't go top 10. Actually I can't think of any other than Datysuk or Giroux..anyone else?

But I think we should be happy we have at least some "after Elite" forwards. I mean only 2 years ago we had Zero. Mikko Koivu and no prospects with potential to be anything. Now we have 2 that certainly seem to be on their way and one that should be trending upward soon to go with our 2 "after Elite" forwards.

Fletch has done a pretty darn good job.

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Almost always a lottery pick. Not too many of those type of guys don't go top 10. Actually I can't think of any other than Datysuk or Giroux..anyone else?


Perry, Getzlaf ,Pacioretty, Kesler, Mike Richards, Patrice Bergeron, Loui Erikson even Parise was out of the lottery.

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